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Originally posted by occrider joke?

hehe not really, what's al quaida today was the ones fighting soviet back in the '80... (you probably already knew that...)

US had a far better economic situation than Sovjet, that was something that had been built up for a long time, not during reagans period...

Conclousion: Reagan had luck to be president at the right time, al quaida fighted against soviet and made big problems for them, therefore al quaida did more than reagan... got me? =)

I think st_andrew means the taliban, not al qaeda

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Al-Qaida is a multi-national support group which funds and orchestrates the activities of Islamic militants worldwide. It grew out of the Afghan war against the Soviets, and its core members consist of Afghan war veterans from all over the Muslim world. Al-Qaida was established around 1988 by the Saudi militant Osama bin Ladin. Based in of Afghanistan, bin Ladin uses an extensive international network to maintain a loose connection between Muslim extremists in diverse countries. Osama bin Ladin entered on his current path of holy warrior in 1979, the year Soviet troops invaded Afghanistan. He transfered his business to Afghanistan--including several hundred loyal workmen and heavy construction tools--and set out to liberate the land from the infidel invader. Recognizing at once that the Afghans were lacking both infrastructure and manpower to fight a protracted conflict, he set about solving both problems at once. The first step was to set up an organized program of conscription. Together with Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood leader Abdallah Azzam, he organized a recruiting office--Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK - Services Office). MAK advertised all over the Arab world for young Muslims to come fight in Afghanistan and set up branch recruiting offices all over the world, including in the U.S. and Europe. Bin Ladin paid for the transportation of the new recurits to Afghanistan, and set up facilities to train them. The Afghan government donated land and resources, while bin Ladin brought in experts from all over the world on guerilla warfare, sabotage, and covert operations. Within a little over a year he had thousands of volunteers in training in his private bootcamps. It is estimated that as many as 10,000 fighters received training and combat experience in Afghanistan, with only a fraction coming from the native Afghan population. Nearly half of the fighting force came from bin Ladin's native Saudi Arabia. Others came from Algeria (roughly 3,000), from Egypt (2,000), with thousands more coming from other Muslim countries such as Yemen, Pakistan and the Sudan.

Don't you know your history? =)

al qaeda and the CIA supported the taliban.

woah i only said he helped end the could war, of course there were tons of other reasons... anyways it was just one example of what Reagon did in his 8 years of service. he also appointed Alan Greenspan, a great choice imo, he helped bring america out of stagflation, something carter failed to do. anyways, i man should be vying for this race should be judged on his political ability, and although Arnie hasnt had much experience, he has been very vocal and political about many issues. i'm not saying he's the one or even if i support him or not but just throwing it out there. plus how much worse could california be after a man like davis.

I think it was Boris Yeltsin that ended the Cold War. After all, he was the guy that stopped the coup led by hardline communists against Gorbachev.

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Originally posted by rizen

it kinda looks like hes trying to sniff up some crack that somehow got on the back of his hand

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the american people didnt elect bush, the florida supreme court put bush into office

and we all know that the surpreme court descision was heavely influenced by bush sr.

I'm sad to see a great country like United States who have a President that is not elected by people but by Governors elected by people.
In France, we vote directly to elect our President. Only Senate is elected indirectly by Mayors and local councillors.
I don't understand why you don't want to change this process...

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Originally posted by Izzy woah i only said he helped end the could war, of course there were tons of other reasons... anyways it was just one example of what Reagon did in his 8 years of service. he also appointed Alan Greenspan, a great choice imo, he helped bring america out of stagflation, something carter failed to do.

um excuse me, but carter's economic stimulus appropriations act passed, Unemployment declined, but massive cost-of-living increases stimulated by huge oil price hikes in the Middle East soon dominated the Administration's domestic agenda.

some carter/commie stuff
• Carter built a global coalition in protesting the 1979 invasion.
  
• In 1980, the U.S. suspended all high-technology and grain sales to the Soviet Union.
  
• Carter not only denounced the trials of Soviet dissidents, but also spoke out for the rights of Eastern Europeans.
  

You know, If Arnold gets elected for Governor, That means, No more arnold movies, Even worst, No T4.

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Originally posted by TigerClaw You know, If Arnold gets elected for Governor, That means, No more arnold movies, Even worst, No T4.

He was going to take a relativly long time off anyway. Least thats what he was telling people(my freinds dad was lead in special effects for t3).

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Originally posted by festayre I'm sad to see a great country like United States who have a President that is not elected by people but by Governors elected by people.

Ummm....the President is elected by the people, not by Governors.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 Ummm....the President is elected by the people, not by Governors.

the people in each state vote for electors in the electoral college, the electoral college votes for the president.

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Originally posted by rizen the people in each state vote for electors in the electoral college, the electoral college votes for the president.

Yes, true. It's not like in many countries where you just vote for the President. So many things influence the election, it's rather ridiculous.

Make it Popular Vote.. that easy, and if too close a call, make a re-vote. Everycountry doesnt, why wouldnt the US be able tooo?!?! anyways.. this topic is done, hehehe

and like I said, sucks to be on Californias shoes right now
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Originally posted by rizen the people in each state vote for electors in the electoral college, the electoral college votes for the president.

which isnt a true democracy in my opinion

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Originally posted by rizen um excuse me, but carter's economic stimulus appropriations act passed, Unemployment declined, but massive cost-of-living increases stimulated by huge oil price hikes in the Middle East soon dominated the Administration's domestic agenda. some carter/commie stuff Carter built a global coalition in protesting the 1979 invasion. In 1980, the U.S. suspended all high-technology and grain sales to the Soviet Union. Carter not only denounced the trials of Soviet dissidents, but also spoke out for the rights of Eastern Europeans. carter's domestic resume may not be the best, but it wasnt bad. plus he got a nobel peace award

good points. i completely agree that carter also helped bring the end of the cold war, thats not to say Reagan's is any less important. i just disagree with you about the economic policies of both presidents, i feel reagon had a better hold on it then carter, but its late and im too tired to back it up, sorry

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Originally posted by festayre I'm sad to see a great country like United States who have a President that is not elected by people but by Governors elected by people. In France, we vote directly to elect our President. Only Senate is elected indirectly by Mayors and local councillors. I don't understand why you don't want to change this process...

To amend the US constitution requires a 2/3rds majority in Congress.

All the small shitty states (no offense to anyone) think the electoral college gives them more clout (power), so they always vote against changing to direct election. There have been many attempts to change the system. Personally I also favor direct elections for president, and feel it is more representative of what the people want...

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Originally posted by Izzy i just disagree with you about the economic policies of both presidents, i feel reagon had a better hold on it then carter, but its late and im too tired to back it up, sorry

googled http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz To amend the US constitution requires a 2/3rds majority in Congress. All the small shitty states (no offense to anyone) think the electoral college gives them more clout (power), so they always vote against changing to direct election. There have been many attempts to change the system. Personally I also favor direct elections for president, and feel it is more representative of what the people want...

I'm agree but it's more power to less people states (1 vote to 150 000 people = 1 vote to 18 000 000 people).
In France : 1 vote = 1 person.
In number of people's votes, G.W.Bush don't have the major part. But the college vote gives to him the victory...

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz To amend the US constitution requires a 2/3rds majority in Congress. All the small shitty states (no offense to anyone) think the electoral college gives them more clout (power), so they always vote against changing to direct election. There have been many attempts to change the system. Personally I also favor direct elections for president, and feel it is more representative of what the people want...

Actually the EU is even more sick, in
the Council of Ministers (EU's supreme decicision-making body) every country has one vote, even if the country is Luxenburg or Germany... I live in sweden so for us this is a good system, but REALLY sick....

Yes but the President of Union Europ�enne doesn't exists yet. In the commission europ�enne, the "Commissaires" are designed by members countries. The more big the country is, the more they can design commissaire from their country. For example : France : 2 Commissaires Europ�ens, Luxembourg : 1 Commissaire Europ�en.

And the Presidence of the Europe turns every six months. Since July 1st, Italy is the country that leads European Union.

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Originally posted by rizen googled http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm

back at you

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-261.html


"...and Reagan comes out an top"

I just love how the American people keep voting for inexperienced politicians who don't know how to do their jobs...

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Originally posted by Izzy ...and Reagan comes out an top"

agree, never said carter's was better

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