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I really wish KTU would dissassociate itself from dance music, its just insulting...

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Originally posted by tiesto14 eeeewwww..... KTU is a joke....it is for Jersey gino's and bridge and tunnel floozies that swear they know good "trance" listing to Benny Benassi - Satisfaction while pondering on the good ol' days of Sandstorm and Castles in the Sky... I actually turned on KTU after reading this post and heard Duncan Sheik - I'm on a High also... Then they paused to go to Temptations club in Jersey...the person whow as there was screaming on the radio "aaaaaaaappppaaaaa", you know like in that old school song "Boriqua Posse" that was around in 1991...after hearing him do that then go into calling people "Papi" and "Mami" i almost ripped my radio out of my car....utter ghetto cheese white Jersey trassssshhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! KTU needs to stick with their regular vocal cheese and high pitvhed synth tracks and stay the F*CK outta our music...they give us a bad name...after listeing for short time that i did, i know why some people say trance music is gay and cheesey...i mean the only thing they are exposed to is that Gino Jersey crap....and NO i do not want good trance to be played on KTU...let the morons and Sandstorming listeners stick with Zombie Nation....freaken toools that they are.

ktu is a joke, which is why people are pissed off about it. they play pure guido cheese shit when it comes to playing the music they THINK is quality dance music. wlir (92.7) on the other hand, wouldn't be so bad because on certain nights they'll have a whole time slot just for dance music and it isn't bad at all. i was actually introduced to xpander on that station a few years ago.

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Originally posted by Tranz That track was played out 6 months ago.

I agree. I liked the track for a week or two after it started bein played. But its definitely not even in my top 100 tracks of all time. It went in and out like a lot of other tracks.

I think people would be happy if there was a 1 hour slot devoted to armin van buuren's asot radio show on the us radio station or something of the sort, but overplaying one popular song doesn't cut it for the trance genre going mainstream. Look what happened to Dirty Vegas - Days Go By...

and not that I ever liked the track, but Alice Deejay - whatever it was called got so overplayed it became really god damn annoying after awhile...

It's great hearing an amazing trance song on mainstream radio, but fitting it in between all the other us pop music is a little disrespectful... and the radio station plays many songs in one genre, for trance we'll only have one w/ this tune...

i have a comment to make on this subject

when i started making music, my intention was to make the best music possible and reach as many people who would listen.

with that in mind, i'm very fucking elated that wktu is playing my song. lets hope that perhaps ATRC will turn people on to a more honest sound that is saying something.

i think that many of the elitist attitudes towards radio playing "club songs" is really childish, stupid and downright ignorant.

good music is good music, damn, hopefully as the rush comes will take some spins away from lasgo and Ian Van Dahl - music that was made for nothing more than financial gain.

cheers

- dave

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Originally posted by davedresden i have a comment to make on this subject when i started making music, my intention was to make the best music possible and reach as many people who would listen. with that in mind, i'm very fucking elated that wktu is playing my song. lets hope that perhaps ATRC will turn people on to a more honest sound that is saying something. i think that many of the elitist attitudes towards radio playing "club songs" is really childish, stupid and downright ignorant. good music is good music, damn, hopefully as the rush comes will take some spins away from lasgo and Ian Van Dahl - music that was made for nothing more than financial gain. cheers - dave

*standing ovation*

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Originally posted by davedresden i have a comment to make on this subject when i started making music, my intention was to make the best music possible and reach as many people who would listen. with that in mind, i'm very fucking elated that wktu is playing my song. lets hope that perhaps ATRC will turn people on to a more honest sound that is saying something. i think that many of the elitist attitudes towards radio playing "club songs" is really childish, stupid and downright ignorant. good music is good music, damn, hopefully as the rush comes will take some spins away from lasgo and Ian Van Dahl - music that was made for nothing more than financial gain. cheers - dave

That's pretty much what I said hehe.

I think it is an "elitist" attitude. Trance fans always acuse progressive fans of being elitist, but it's evident that many trance fans are as well. That's another issue though. Part of the problem is selfishness, and the desire to keep a good thing "underground."

I agree with you for the most part though. If I'd never heard Xpander, and some of Sasha's (chem bros, and prodigy's) early stuff from a video game series (wipeout for PS), I might not even be here. I think most people are just upset that it's played alongside such top 40 crap.

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Originally posted by davedresden i have a comment to make on this subject when i started making music, my intention was to make the best music possible and reach as many people who would listen. with that in mind, i'm very fucking elated that wktu is playing my song. lets hope that perhaps ATRC will turn people on to a more honest sound that is saying something. i think that many of the elitist attitudes towards radio playing "club songs" is really childish, stupid and downright ignorant. good music is good music, damn, hopefully as the rush comes will take some spins away from lasgo and Ian Van Dahl - music that was made for nothing more than financial gain. cheers - dave

Dave well said...

I "AM" one of those elitist people that you speak of....

Please do not get me wrong...i love ATRC and 99.9% of everyother production you are involved in...so i want to make that clear.

But the audience that listens to KTU here in NY and NJ "will not" be turned by "ANY" track..no matter how good it is....I know these type of people and they are unredeemable. They will always be stuck in their Beyonce, Jay-Z, Eminem, NSYNC, Britney commercial "we like a track because it is the cool thing to do at the moment" ways.

These people are FORCE fed tracks day in and day out...tracks get raped on KTU, and most radio stations. Played 45 times in 24 hours...of course after hearing something long enough it grows on you. I mean i ended up finding ymself singing along to Eminem a few times, not ebcause i liked it, but because it was engraved into my mind from these corporate mongrals.

Radio kills good tunes, noone can deny that. Yes the artist tends to come out on top, but at what cost? You don't hear much of Zombie Nation, or MARRS anymore...those 2 probally had the most plays of any other eletro song in history...yet seemed more liek that killed them...too much of a good thing tends to be a bad thing.

If i have an elitist attitude so be it, but i think it more of the fact that i don't want good music ruined...which in the end 90% of original ATRC fans will be bored and disgusted of the track after being FORCE fed it on the radio a million times a day.

I just pray Andain doesnt end up on KTU....i think i will shoot myself.....

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Originally posted by davedresden i have a comment to make on this subject when i started making music, my intention was to make the best music possible and reach as many people who would listen. with that in mind, i'm very fucking elated that wktu is playing my song. lets hope that perhaps ATRC will turn people on to a more honest sound that is saying something. i think that many of the elitist attitudes towards radio playing "club songs" is really childish, stupid and downright ignorant. good music is good music, damn, hopefully as the rush comes will take some spins away from lasgo and Ian Van Dahl - music that was made for nothing more than financial gain. cheers - dave

GO move to NYC and give that station a listen to for awhile and THEN make that comment again. Again this isn't really about your song for me, its about that station and how it portray's itself.

welp, good thing I'm not losing any sleep over this!

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Originally posted by NYGblue

Heh. I can't believe you green guy'd Dave.

I hate that smilie, and only use if for extreme circumstances.

How do you guys think I felt when they started playing "New music..you heard it first on 106.7 KDL...Paul van Dyk - Nothing but you" I almost started crying!!! I can hear it 20 million times and still love it, but other people are going to grow to hate it as much as sandstorm. I hope no other pvd tracks get screwed through radio . OMFG as I was typing this NBY came on puwhahahahaha!!!

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Heh. I can't believe you green guy'd Dave. I hate that smilie, and only use if for extreme circumstances.

ROFL! Oh man thats good stuff... well to be honest it wasn't disrespect, it was frustration with this topic. I know it hasn't been discussed on TA, but elsewhere its been beaten to death. I am tired of KTU, and I wish they wouldn't play ANY good tracks...

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Originally posted by NYGblue GO move to NYC and give that station a listen to for awhile and THEN make that comment again. Again this isn't really about your song for me, its about that station and how it portray's itself.

yes, dave's works might be intended to reach as most people as possible and bring them as much pleasure as they can handle, but that's not what the station is about and that's the problem. now, i've never listened to KTU, but i'm familiar with this type of radio play. i understand that radio stations of course want to "play the biggest hits of today" and what-not and that it's exactly what people want to hear, but IMHO that's very bland.


in boston we have this "classic soft rock" station 106.7 which plays stuff like dido, sarah mclachan, EBTG, etc. love songs and what-not. now, for 4 years they've been playing the same music ALL OVER AGAIN. i don't really listen to them, but whenever i do (and it's always playing in the laundromat i do my laundry in), i hear the same stuff and my mom too says it's annoying.


the perfect type of radio station IMHO would be about bringing music to people, new music, new talent, but also not forgetting the classics. and maybe there would be like a top 10 every night so that you could hear the tunes you like very much. crap, i lost my point.


anyway, don't forget that radios can be as commercial as music / cds. because the better the station's ratings are, the more money they can get from ads / whatever.

in any case, also remember that somewhere out there there's several poor little lost minds who DO like what KTU plays and who think it's COOL. so it's not all about us, is it?


ugh, too late now, my head isn't clear at all

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Originally posted by davedresden i have a comment to make on this subject when i started making music, my intention was to make the best music possible and reach as many people who would listen. with that in mind, i'm very fucking elated that wktu is playing my song. lets hope that perhaps ATRC will turn people on to a more honest sound that is saying something. i think that many of the elitist attitudes towards radio playing "club songs" is really childish, stupid and downright ignorant. good music is good music, damn, hopefully as the rush comes will take some spins away from lasgo and Ian Van Dahl - music that was made for nothing more than financial gain. cheers - dave

i agree with mister dresden.. down with the cheese (ian van dahl)! i really look forward to the day when electronica becomes mainstream. it's a way of life.

Porky

yo guys!!!!!!!! check it out! they played amber - sexual on the radio. needless to say im so pissed.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Dave well said... I "AM" one of those elitist people that you speak of.... Please do not get me wrong...i love ATRC and 99.9% of everyother production you are involved in...so i want to make that clear. But the audience that listens to KTU here in NY and NJ "will not" be turned by "ANY" track..no matter how good it is....I know these type of people and they are unredeemable. They will always be stuck in their Beyonce, Jay-Z, Eminem, NSYNC, Britney commercial "we like a track because it is the cool thing to do at the moment" ways. These people are FORCE fed tracks day in and day out...tracks get raped on KTU, and most radio stations. Played 45 times in 24 hours...of course after hearing something long enough it grows on you. I mean i ended up finding ymself singing along to Eminem a few times, not ebcause i liked it, but because it was engraved into my mind from these corporate mongrals. Radio kills good tunes, noone can deny that. Yes the artist tends to come out on top, but at what cost? You don't hear much of Zombie Nation, or MARRS anymore...those 2 probally had the most plays of any other eletro song in history...yet seemed more liek that killed them...too much of a good thing tends to be a bad thing. If i have an elitist attitude so be it, but i think it more of the fact that i don't want good music ruined...which in the end 90% of original ATRC fans will be bored and disgusted of the track after being FORCE fed it on the radio a million times a day. I just pray Andain doesnt end up on KTU....i think i will shoot myself.....

i don't understand what's to be lost by this song being played on the radio. if you like this song you should be happy for it's success. if it gets played out by that station, will it change the fact that you like it? i don't understand where the idea that the value of a song diminishes because it gets played comes from, but it's pervasive and illogical.

this song could be a segue to the creation of a dance radio station for all you know, it could expose so many people to a beautiful genre of music that they haven't heard before. i can't think of a better song for trance music to put on the radio than atrc.

you make an enormously unintelligent generalization by stereotyping people that listen to beyonce, jay-z, britney or whatever else as moronic sheep. surprise! i listened to a lot of that before i was exposed to trance because all i had heard was dj sammy and ian van dahl nonsense. here's another surprise: i STILL listen to it on occasion! why wouldn't you want people to hear GOOD trance?

does a song have to be (and remain) underground as a secret among established trance lovers for it to be good? the center of your argument sounds like this to me: if the general population hears a good trance song, that song has less value. it's like saying only people who can appreciate shakespeare, fitzgerald or hemingway should be allowed to read it. there is no harm in putting a song out for exposure among a non-trance crowd. so what if they decide they hate it? i'll still love it, just like i did before it was put on a radio station.

as far as andain "selling out," josh gabriel told me on saturday that the group was trying to decide where it would go, in the dance direction or elsewhere, and asked my opinion. personally, i would love to see andain go more dancey, but even more i would love to see them be successful -- whatever route leads them there.

last thing: i'm exasperated with everyone crying that a group or artist has sold out just because they've become successful. i would love to see more people appreciate trance, and the only way to do that is through exposure.

congratulations on getting your song on the radio, dave.

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Originally posted by daffodil i don't understand what's to be lost by this song being played on the radio. if you like this song you should be happy for it's success. if it gets played out by that station, will it change the fact that you like it? i don't understand where the idea that the value of a song diminishes because it gets played comes from, but it's pervasive and illogical. this song could be a segue to the creation of a dance radio station for all you know, it could expose so many people to a beautiful genre of music that they haven't heard before. i can't think of a better song for trance music to put on the radio than atrc. you make an enormously unintelligent generalization by stereotyping people that listen to beyonce, jay-z, britney or whatever else as moronic sheep. surprise! i listened to a lot of that before i was exposed to trance because all i had heard was dj sammy and ian van dahl nonsense. here's another surprise: i STILL listen to it on occasion! why wouldn't you want people to hear GOOD trance? does a song have to be (and remain) underground as a secret among established trance lovers for it to be good? the center of your argument sounds like this to me: if the general population hears a good trance song, that song has less value. it's like saying only people who can appreciate shakespeare, fitzgerald or hemingway should be allowed to read it. there is no harm in putting a song out for exposure among a non-trance crowd. so what if they decide they hate it? i'll still love it, just like i did before it was put on a radio station. as far as andain "selling out," josh gabriel told me on saturday that the group was trying to decide where it would go, in the dance direction or elsewhere, and asked my opinion. personally, i would love to see andain go more dancey, but even more i would love to see them be successful -- whatever route leads them there. last thing: i'm exasperated with everyone crying that a group or artist has sold out just because they've become successful. i would love to see more people appreciate trance, and the only way to do that is through exposure. congratulations on getting your song on the radio, dave.

Simple, we are all a bunch of jaded assholes who don't want to see our scene corrupted by American Corporate Labels. KTU is just a step under, it is a direction in which many of us do not want to see dance music go. Yes we want our artists to be successful and for the scene to grow, but NOT that way.

Sorry our (the jaded assholes) opinion will not change, we appreciate quality music outside the rhealm of dance. We do not consider what KTU plays good music and do not want to see what we consider good music played alongside stupid bullshit.

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Originally posted by NYGblue Simple, we are all a bunch of jaded assholes who don't want to see our scene corrupted by American Corporate Labels. KTU is just a step under, it is a direction in which many of us do not want to see dance music go. Yes we want our artists to be successful and for the scene to grow, but NOT that way. Sorry our (the jaded assholes) opinion will not change, we appreciate quality music outside the rhealm of dance. We do not consider what KTU plays good music and do not want to see what we consider good music played alongside stupid bullshit.

AGREED!!!!

Look at history...it will show you time and time again what happens to a genre that gets embraced by the manistream, corporate mongrals....history has proven that NOTHING good comes to a particular form of music once it has become "pop"...look what happened to the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Iio, Limp Bizket, etc etc...in all genres the masses ruin it...it never fails....

Granted money is made...but if you actually beleive that trance moving very mainstream will gain better fans and move forward then you are sadley mistaken.....you will eventually have more producers and DJs jump on the bandwagon making and spinning junk tracks because they will be forced to produce many tracks by their labels to compete with the other artists...and what happens when things are rushed and quality is taken over by quanity?...absolute garbage....you can see this happening in trance for about the past year with the lack of quality tracks being produced...trance as already started its downfall...that is of course until maninstream gets bored of it and a new rap sensation jumps on the scene for them to embrace and go back to calling trance fairy queer music....

Call me selfish...but i say keep it underground, away from "AMERICAN" radio...but hey thats my opnion...sorry if you feel different.

ya'll should listen to yourselves!! who cares if KTU is playing ATRC? i mean, ffs, we had the opportunity to listen to it before the rest of the world got the hear it, about 5 -6 months ago...i honestly dont see why its such a huge deal. what, now its not "underground?" a good song is a good song, whether its by motorcycle or "dizzy spears." shit, i'll admit, KTU is the first stattion i put on in my car when i hit up NY.

btw i think its realllllllllly funny how like 50% of the people in this thread are bitching about how ATRC is now mainstream cuz it was played on KTU, yet in other threads they gripe about how the song is so old and overplayed. pick your battles!!

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Originally posted by trancEyes22 ya'll should listen to yourselves!! who cares if KTU is playing ATRC? i mean, ffs, we had the opportunity to listen to it before the rest of the world got the hear it, about 5 -6 months ago...i honestly dont see why its such a huge deal. what, now its not "underground?" a good song is a good song, whether its by motorcycle or "dizzy spears." shit, i'll admit, KTU is the first stattion i put on in my car when i hit up NY. btw i think its realllllllllly funny how like 50% of the people in this thread are bitching about how ATRC is now mainstream cuz it was played on KTU, yet in other threads they gripe about how the song is so old and overplayed. pick your battles!!

Well its a good thing I don't fall into that 50%... I still like the song, I have no problem with it at all...


KTU sucks that is... check my sig. on the Arcboard!

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Originally posted by NYGblue Simple, we are all a bunch of jaded assholes who don't want to see our scene corrupted by American Corporate Labels. KTU is just a step under, it is a direction in which many of us do not want to see dance music go. Yes we want our artists to be successful and for the scene to grow, but NOT that way. Sorry our (the jaded assholes) opinion will not change, we appreciate quality music outside the rhealm of dance. We do not consider what KTU plays good music and do not want to see what we consider good music played alongside stupid bullshit.

exactly. a respectable song like atrc, should be played on a respectable station. i hate ktu with a passion.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 AGREED!!!! Look at history...it will show you time and time again what happens to a genre that gets embraced by the manistream, corporate mongrals....history has proven that NOTHING good comes to a particular form of music once it has become "pop"...look what happened to the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Iio, Limp Bizket, etc etc...in all genres the masses ruin it...it never fails.... Granted money is made...but if you actually beleive that trance moving very mainstream will gain better fans and move forward then you are sadley mistaken.....you will eventually have more producers and DJs jump on the bandwagon making and spinning junk tracks because they will be forced to produce many tracks by their labels to compete with the other artists...and what happens when things are rushed and quality is taken over by quanity?...absolute garbage....you can see this happening in trance for about the past year with the lack of quality tracks being produced...trance as already started its downfall...that is of course until maninstream gets bored of it and a new rap sensation jumps on the scene for them to embrace and go back to calling trance fairy queer music.... Call me selfish...but i say keep it underground, away from "AMERICAN" radio...but hey thats my opnion...sorry if you feel different.

Dj Sammy

if i heard ATRC on my car radio, id seriously would have to pull over and pump it. Especially markus schulz' mix.
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Originally posted by trancEyes22 ya'll should listen to yourselves!! who cares if KTU is playing ATRC? i mean, ffs, we had the opportunity to listen to it before the rest of the world got the hear it, about 5 -6 months ago...i honestly dont see why its such a huge deal. what, now its not "underground?" a good song is a good song, whether its by motorcycle or "dizzy spears." shit, i'll admit, KTU is the first stattion i put on in my car when i hit up NY. btw i think its realllllllllly funny how like 50% of the people in this thread are bitching about how ATRC is now mainstream cuz it was played on KTU, yet in other threads they gripe about how the song is so old and overplayed. pick your battles!!

*slaps forhead* MY GOD SHE'S RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

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