Re-release of Airwave's album Believe

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Posted by TOR on Aug-13-2003 15:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Nell
well if there's no full length tracks availible on CD then im downloading it aswell. When will they relise that L-Vee dosent have commercial appeal, therefore edits are NOT needed.

sometimes it is needed.. otherwise they would have to release a 5cd set!

what would you rather do? buy a 2cd-album for 25$ or a 5cd-album for 50$?

Posted by starglider on Aug-13-2003 16:22:

quote:
Originally posted by tor8024
sometimes it is needed.. otherwise they would have to release a 5cd set!

what would you rather do? buy a 2cd-album for 25$ or a 5cd-album for 50$?

Well, this is the tracklist for Believe:

01. I Want To Believe (Dolphin Mix)
02. Musings Of A Lifetime
03. Save Me
04. Another Dimension
05. Devotion
06. Above The Sky 2002
07. Alone In The Dark
08. Innerspace
09. Ladyblue
10. When Things Go Wrong...
11. Sunspot (DCML Mix)
12 Trust No. 1

He could have excluded the previously released tracks (Save Me, Alone In The Dark, Innerspace, Sunspot). That leaves 8 tracks. Depending on the length that would probably be enough to fill the CD; if some end up being shorter he could add another unreleased track. In any event I'd much prefer 8-9 full-length new tracks to a mixed bag of edits and older material.

Posted by skip on Aug-13-2003 16:27:

Posted by skip on Aug-13-2003 16:29:

quote:
Originally posted by starglider
Well, this is the tracklist for Believe:

01. I Want To Believe (Dolphin Mix)
02. Musings Of A Lifetime
03. Save Me
04. Another Dimension
05. Devotion
06. Above The Sky 2002
07. Alone In The Dark
08. Innerspace
09. Ladyblue
10. When Things Go Wrong...
11. Sunspot (DCML Mix)
12 Trust No. 1

He could have excluded the previously released tracks (Save Me, Alone In The Dark, Innerspace, Sunspot). That leaves 8 tracks. Depending on the length that would probably be enough to fill the CD; if some end up being shorter he could add another unreleased track. In any event I'd much prefer 8-9 full-length new tracks to a mixed bag of edits and older material.

i'm totally with you on this one! no edits are needed, i'd much rather have less tracks if they were full versions!

Posted by TOR on Aug-13-2003 16:48:

quote:
Originally posted by skip
i'm totally with you on this one! no edits are needed, i'd much rather have less tracks if they were full versions!

me too, but lightning records wanted his album to sell! lots of people won't pay 20$ for 'only' 8 tracks..

Posted by starglider on Aug-13-2003 17:20:

quote:
Originally posted by tor8024
me too, but lightning records wanted his album to sell! lots of people won't pay 20$ for 'only' 8 tracks..

You have a valid point, and I'm sure that's what influenced their decision. However, I wonder how the number of people who wouldn't buy an 8-track album compares to the number of people who didn't buy Believe (myself, Nell, etc.) because of the tracklisting. Airwave isn't exactly a household name, even in Belgium (I presume). A large portion of his fans are surely those who know what to expect from quality trance producers and realize that L-Vee's tracks simply aren't five or six minutes long.

Posted by TOR on Aug-13-2003 18:14:

quote:
Originally posted by starglider
You have a valid point, and I'm sure that's what influenced their decision. However, I wonder how the number of people who wouldn't buy an 8-track album compares to the number of people who didn't buy Believe (myself, Nell, etc.) because of the tracklisting. Airwave isn't exactly a household name, even in Belgium (I presume). A large portion of his fans are surely those who know what to expect from quality trance producers and realize that L-Vee's tracks simply aren't five or six minutes long.

yeah that's true.. i think maybe they wanted to release something in between, so that more people would buy it and that at the same time his true fans wouldn't be dissapointed by very short 'radio edits' or something.. so they cut a few tracks down to 6 minutes instead of the original 9.. but obviously a track only has its full power in the original version, especially these epic uplifters from l-vee

i guess the new 2-cd set will be better, what with 4 earlier released tracks in full version on cd 2 and all (theft of the spirit, alone in the dark, etc.?)

Posted by starglider on Aug-13-2003 19:20:

quote:
Originally posted by tor8024
yeah that's true.. i think maybe they wanted to release something in between, so that more people would buy it and that at the same time his true fans wouldn't be dissapointed by very short 'radio edits' or something.. so they cut a few tracks down to 6 minutes instead of the original 9.. but obviously a track only has its full power in the original version, especially these epic uplifters from l-vee

i guess the new 2-cd set will be better, what with 4 earlier released tracks in full version on cd 2 and all (theft of the spirit, alone in the dark, etc.?)

Yeah, it's a decent compromise but I guess I'm just hard to please.

Anyway I'll definitely aim to buy the new release, if for no other reason than to support him and his work.

Posted by capricorn15 on Aug-13-2003 20:34:

quote:
Originally posted by stanymi
TOTALLY AGREED.
Where can we find this vinyl album ?
And is it go out in LP ?

its not coming out on vinyl, which sucks i think. but ya

the album could easily have all full length tracks on a 2cd album, and still have room for more. i dont care if any fo them are full length, except musings of a lifetime and lady blue, if those were full on the first one, i wouldnt really care.

Posted by Lakerfan36 on Aug-14-2003 05:54:

is it just me or does another dimension sound exactly like silent cry???

Posted by capricorn15 on Aug-14-2003 08:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Isannah
is it just me or does another dimension sound exactly like silent cry???

its alone in the dark that does, but of coures, he is half of fire and ice, but you know that already

Posted by Nell on Aug-14-2003 10:14:

he could probably fit all the tracks on 3xcd's right? it costs no more (Other than the cost of the cd, 20p?! and the ink that goe son it, 2p?!) to add an extra cd to it. They wouldnt have to charge an extra 10 bucks for for another disc.

Personally, id be happy with even 1xcd of full lenght versions. the best example of a good album is 'in my memory' 2xcd edition. nothings edited as far as i can tell. Even 'out of the blue' isnt that bad since some of the tracks are full length.

Can i also say that imo, editing a track takes away an element of how it was meant to be. you dont get to hear the buildup and experience the track progression and it kinda ruins it.

Posted by TOR on Aug-14-2003 13:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Nell
Personally, id be happy with even 1xcd of full lenght versions.

the problem is l-vee has too many stunning tracks to be able to do so

quote:
Can i also say that imo, editing a track takes away an element of how it was meant to be. you dont get to hear the buildup and experience the track progression and it kinda ruins it.

that's why they cut them down to 6 minutes, to keep at least some parts of the build-up.. but you're right it's not quite the same as an original version..

Posted by Dj Odelpha on Aug-14-2003 15:18:

Since I'm a big fan of Airwave I will definately buy this (if i can find it in stores this time ) and also the Lady Blue vinyl. Also planning to buy When things go wrong but i dont think my shop still has it Anyway, I hope the unreleased tracks are worth the 20 euro since i burned Believe

Posted by Lakerfan36 on Aug-14-2003 16:57:

quote:
Originally posted by hadi ******
its alone in the dark that does, but of coures, he is half of fire and ice, but you know that already

thats true...but still it sounds very similiar..its hard to differentiate between them..and also is airwave fire or ice ???

Posted by starglider on Aug-15-2003 00:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Isannah
thats true...but still it sounds very similiar..its hard to differentiate between them..and also is airwave fire or ice ???

The sound is quite similar but the melodies aren't exactly the same... I see what you mean though.

And Airwave must be Ice because Jurgen Leyers is DJ Fire.

Posted by DaveSZ on Aug-16-2003 13:54:

^^
Correct.

For all those who only download and never buy:

quote:

Hi David,

About Lightning Records, they went bankrupt in March (as you might know).
But the guys have started a new company called Banshee Worx, which also
holds all the labels of Lightning. Downloading did have something to do
with it of course. This together with some companies that did not pay,...

Have a good weekend,

Jurgen.

Posted by Nell on Aug-16-2003 15:10:

if they sold cd's id buy them!

do they sell cd singles/ maxis/ cdrs?

i fnot, why not?!

Posted by Asperge on Aug-16-2003 15:55:

great news, this better get a good distribution, i havent been able to find believe up to the day of today.

Posted by skip on Aug-17-2003 20:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Nell
if they sold cd's id buy them!

do they sell cd singles/ maxis/ cdrs?

i fnot, why not?!

because they are stupid and think that vinyl is better and bla bla bla...

which sucks for them and us!

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