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Posted by mindshooter on Sep-10-2001 12:55:

quote:
Originally posted by TurboGS-R


oh you mean people like james and such? my idea was actually targetted more on the 'normal' crap discussions we have in chill out. then again its just my opinion that the topics in chill out are pathetic. not all of you will agree and i understand.

as for james and co. i have no idea what to do....
ban IP? ban email? =P


YEah i meant spammers.....thought you meant that to.....Better just keep chillout...so they have a playground....is it possible to ban IPs?


Posted by Paul Wilson on Sep-11-2001 09:13:

I think it's worth pointing out that I know exactly who's behind all the spamming, and he has over 600 posts to his name and he's from Australia. PM me if you want to know.


Posted by luckystrike on Sep-13-2001 08:26:

Sad same URL but a different site...

quote:
Originally posted by mindshooter

I think more moderators
And dont answer stupid threads! Just ignore them!


i agree ... but sometimes its very hard to ignore them...
i can understand why paul_grifith and simcut left.

TA used to be my favorite site. things changed here. its hard to explain but its not the same atmosphere like it used to be...

things got so bad that sometimes when ppl wants certain tracks i upload those tracks to a locker but im afraid post the locker details in the furom b/c some ppls are deliberately go to those locker and dont sign out so i start sending lots of PM's with the locker's details...

i also think we need more moderators (at least 2-3 more).
blik and Henkie_hank doing a great job but they need help.

miss P , mindshooter , jayD , wicked red/and neon , paul , sugarbeen and im sure lots of others will be great mods...


plz save this furoms from going the wrong way.


Posted by mindshooter on Sep-13-2001 10:30:

Re: same URL but a different site...

quote:
Originally posted by luckystrike

i also think we need more moderators (at least 2-3 more).
blik and Henkie_hank doing a great job but they need help.

miss P , mindshooter , jayD , wicked red/and neon , paul , sugarbeen and im sure lots of others will be great mods...


plz save this furoms from going the wrong way.


Right now i have admin options on Music discussion but i dont know if im allowed to use them.....Since swamper havent told me to......But ive seen alot stuff that could be done by a moderator.......i want to know if i can get authorization to move and close threads.....


Posted by mindshooter on Sep-13-2001 10:37:

Re: same URL but a different site...

quote:
Originally posted by luckystrike

i also think we need more moderators (at least 2-3 more).
blik and Henkie_hank doing a great job but they need help.

miss P , mindshooter , jayD , wicked red/and neon , paul , sugarbeen and im sure lots of others will be great mods...


plz save this furoms from going the wrong way.


Right now i have admin options on Music discussion but i dont know if im allowed to use them.....Since swamper havent told me to......But ive seen alot stuff that could be done by a moderator.......i want to know if i can get authorization to move and close threads.....


Posted by Coup on Sep-13-2001 14:18:

well go into ta chat and ask him


Posted by Paul Wilson on Sep-13-2001 17:19:

Okay, for those who PM'd me. Here it is:

DJ James M = DJ Pete


Posted by YuVaL on Sep-13-2001 18:16:

hmmm....

an idea swamper posted in the chat not long ago!!...

open a new speciel section for newbies where they can post.. and have all the "older" TA's in another section.... now, after one of the moderators sees that the TA is mature enough to move to the "older" group... they move him.. but the younger TA's can still view the older TA's messages, but they cant reply

i think this is a KILLER idea..


Posted by trancaholic on Sep-13-2001 19:26:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Energy
hmmm....

an idea swamper posted in the chat not long ago!!...

open a new speciel section for newbies where they can post.. and have all the "older" TA's in another section.... now, after one of the moderators sees that the TA is mature enough to move to the "older" group... they move him.. but the younger TA's can still view the older TA's messages, but they cant reply

i think this is a KILLER idea..


Yes, yes! Now we only need somebody to find the lucky ones among the 4600+ TAs.


Posted by mindshooter on Sep-13-2001 21:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Paul Wilson
Okay, for those who PM'd me. Here it is:

DJ James M = DJ Pete


I back that up 100%

Secret revealed


Posted by Mark on Sep-14-2001 00:38:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Energy
hmmm....

an idea swamper posted in the chat not long ago!!...

open a new speciel section for newbies where they can post.. and have all the "older" TA's in another section.... now, after one of the moderators sees that the TA is mature enough to move to the "older" group... they move him.. but the younger TA's can still view the older TA's messages, but they cant reply

i think this is a KILLER idea..


wow what an idea!!! hope this one goes through but there may be some troubles with this one too. choosing the members might be a hassle atleast to begin with. it should be easier once the first screening process is done.

the second problem is like the post count thing. just like in every other forum you'll have some people feeling like they're so elite because of the massive post count they have and they always seem to use that to back up whatever they say in the forums. granted this kinda shit don't really happen here as often as other places that i've seen, but i have seen it here in TA. in other words, would we have these 'special' members picking on newbies just because they are in the higher ranked group so to speak? would they actually feel more superior to others because of these types of status? who knows...guess we'll have to try and see for ourselves...but thats just my little concern with this idea. =P

btw who the hell is DJ pete??
don't ever recall seeing him spam the forums before.....
how do u know its james, paul?


Posted by trancaholic on Sep-14-2001 06:59:

Just popped into my head: Why not also make it impossible for new/not approved users to read these veteran-forums. That way we could share locker details without the hasle of misuse?


Posted by Paul Wilson on Sep-14-2001 17:20:

quote:
Originally posted by TurboGS-R
btw who the hell is DJ pete??
don't ever recall seeing him spam the forums before.....
how do u know its james, paul?


Take a read at this:

For several months I've suspected DJ Pete of being DJ James M but I didn't want to put it up on the forums to avoid flame wars.


Check out this thread:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...hlight=dropping

Read the story about him meeting James on a weather forum. This is extremely lame and very unconvincing. Also look at his style of writing. He uses the ` instead of the ' (apostrophe) and takes spaces between full stops and replies. The only other one out of the 4000 + members here on TA who used this symbol were DJ james M and all the other spam aliases. Also look at the reply from Eugene further down the page on that thread. He points out that DJ Pete has this unusual style of writing and after this DJ Pete changes his style of writing and never uses the ` ever again. I think this good enough proof.

Also DJ James M's sig image in his original account was http://compnayontheweb.com/queensla...ranceforme.jpg. I had a look at this site and it siad "Site owned by Peter Campbell and Michael Wright". Peter Campbell is DJ Pete.


Take a look at the similarity of these quotes: I put them in bold.

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Pete
Dose any one know of any good Soft Synths { not Rebirth or reason } and were I can find them { analog or digital } thanks .


quote:
Originally posted by DJ James M
Dose anybody no were i can download a good keyboard for my music dj James M.


I this case the spelling mistakes are identical, and these aren't even common mistakes.

The story regarding Pete meeting James in a weather forum is definitely false. There is only about 1 in a Million chance that Pete could meet somebody on an Australian weather forum who likes the same kind of music and writes in exactly the same way. I think DJ Pete has a spam alter ego called James. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming! The is more evidence regarding ICQ numbers.


Posted by DJ Sarah H on Sep-15-2001 17:07:



DISGUSTING ! ! ! ! !

That's how the chill out forum should be described !

i read one thread in there today and i did not want to read any more in case they contained the same sort of material.

2 ppl in TA describing how they like sex with dead animals and / or masturbating with dead animals or pieces of meat ?
i mean what the hell ?

I know chill out is a forum thats meant to be away from music as such but that kind of topic ? ? ?

No thank you !


Are we going to need to get a age check for the chill out forum ?
cos most of the material posted in there is so Porn orientated now
we do have kids veiw these forums, kids that want to learn how to mix, want to get ideas for tunes to get, kids that want to know stuff about other countries cultures and club life for when they come visit

i am sure they dont want to see ppl talking about how they like to masturbate or what they want to do to other ppl !

the other thing about chill out is the amount of SAME threads
6 threads about the same topic and the same ppl posting in all 6 threads saying exactly the same damn thing which ALWAYS turns to either PORN or FLAMEing each other.

Swamper posted a thread, and i agree with him, an arguement is good, if its about stuff like the best mix or a DJ or the benifits of one mixer over another, that kinda thing, but when those arguements are just ppl telling each other to "f**k off" cos they have a
different sexual preference to someone else ( PORN link again ) its not what i want to see and i know for sure that MANY other TA's dont want to see it either.

Have u noticed the trend in chill out ? its always new ppl that seem to start the flame wars, and the same old ppl making useless posts, for why ? to get a higher status ? to make themselves feel important
Bullshit, any TA who is here for the music realises that post counts mean Jack !

Someone in this thread suggested like a Vetrans section. seems like a GREAT idea to me cos most of the vetrans talk about one thing and that thing is what brought us here . . . .
TRANCE !

I said before that i thought we dont need any more moderators but when some of those moderators participate in the filth thats in chill out i changed my mind, we do need some more moderators.
I dont want to tell ppl about this site anymore and am starting to not want to participate in the forums cos its more like PORNADDICT.COM that tranceaddict.com now.
i dont want ppl to see some of the sick stuff thats posted on here.
they want to see that then there are PLENTY of websites offering all they can want.

Tranceaddict.com has grown in some good ways like how more ppl are offering to share music but thats been undermined by the amount of crap ppl post too, its got to stop or more of the TAer's that come here for the music will dissapear like so many already have.


Peace


Posted by AndiH on Sep-15-2001 17:35:

Question

true...the "chill out" section got kinda disgusting and its gettin worse every day and we need to change that...a veterans section could be a solution but how do you wanna decide if ta user #4327 is suitable for this special section...you cant say this guy has 1000+ posts so he's in and that guy has 220 posts so he's out cause there are too many so called "ta"'s with a post count of 800 but 98% of their posts aren't music related...and dont you think that some skilled newbie gets scared away cause he has to dicuss with some wankers in the how-often-do-you-jack-off-section before somebody lets him get into the veterans section? any ideas...?


Posted by Paul Wilson on Sep-15-2001 17:39:

I agree with some of this but it's not just the Chill Out Room. This thread in the http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...45&pagenumber=1 Polls section aboutt masturbation and wanking in my opinion is completely unacceptable and should not be tolerated in a site where there are kids.


Posted by Wlcked Red on Sep-15-2001 18:04:

quote:
Originally posted by AndiH
true...the "chill out" section got kinda disgusting and its gettin worse every day and we need to change that...a veterans section could be a solution but how do you wanna decide if ta user #4327 is suitable for this special section...you cant say this guy has 1000+ posts so he's in and that guy has 220 posts so he's out cause there are too many so called "ta"'s with a post count of 800 but 98% of their posts aren't music related...and dont you think that some skilled newbie gets scared away cause he has to dicuss with some wankers in the how-often-do-you-jack-off-section before somebody lets him get into the veterans section? any ideas...?


very good points Andi and I do agree

postcount cannot be the criterium used to decide who gets to join - I only have a bit over 400 posts but I do try to contribute where I can
so I would be just a bit upset if postcount was used to make that decision - understandably so I think

on the other hand - how many "skilled newbies" does TA lose daily now because of the state the forum is in and the often offensive content of threads (mainly in chillout but invading other parts of the forum now *sigh*) and how many "spammers" do sign up because of the very same reason?


Posted by DJ Sarah H on Sep-15-2001 18:10:

quote:
Originally posted by AndiH
. . . and dont you think that some skilled newbie gets scared away cause he has to dicuss with some wankers in the how-often-do-you-jack-off-section before somebody lets him get into the veterans section? any ideas...?




Yes i have an idea, on DTF they have a thing called projects, newbies are not allowd in those projects until they can establish that they are "worthwhile" ppl to be let in.

i think intially Swamper should have the decision over who is to be allowd access to a "vetrans forum" and then he can assign moderators, different moderators to those that already exist.
Then those moderators can have power of allowing ppl access but those ppl need to be nominated by a already existing vetran and a good reason for the promotion ie. good knowledge of music, or offering a good variety of tracks stuff like that
obvisley this is just the seed of an idea that needs to be worked on and again we can all sit here and come up with solutions / suggestions but it is up to Swamper what happens here . . .

thought i would add this too as it sums this up perfectly . . .


quote:
originally posted by Ripcurl
sorry but i just thought that a trance site will be about trance,
oops silly me


Posted by goodnet on Sep-16-2001 14:45:

Everything you guys have posted here describes my feelings about the state of the forums right now. I personnaly believe the forums were of higher quality between December last year and 3-4 months after January.

The chillout section is in a sad state. There is a 3:1 ratio of posts to threads... and most of it is bullshit with flames and people using the boards as if it were a friggin' AOL chatroom.

Personnaly, I try to contribute where I can. Ive provided alotta technical assistance (w/things such as music software), and when someone requests information (be it a trance project, latest news, etc), i will research the info for them and post it. I've ripped a few videos, and posted the occasional track that I got before everyone else. It's tempting to post alot of BS in the chillout section, but i try to resist. Nowadays I tend to keep a strict "necessity-only" attitude when it comes to posting. Even when i post less useful stuff (like humourous posts), i try to put effort into them. I think that's the biggest problem w/the chillout room, too many idiots typing simple non-contributive messages that take no effort and have no meaning.

It's funny, even Palivar (who made very few real contributions) put more positive effort into his posts than most spammers do around here.

Ever since the #tranceaddict room opened, i've found it to be a great place to vent anything that is non-trance related without the dirty feeling that im infilatrating the boards with nonsence.


Posted by Coup on Sep-17-2001 22:13:

ok ive been keeping up with all this and agree with the lets stop sex, wanking and porn everywhere so ive done my bit and closed the thread and poll about wanking and left this message.
quote:
Originally posted by Coup in the wanking poll

ok sorry to sound an ogre but ive decided to close this thread and poll. theres a huge who-har about taste decency and there are little kids reading these looking for tunes and wanting to learn how to mix all that and we dont want sex, wanking and all that plastered all over the forums. this thread itself had its own mini war, and i no i stuck this thread for a while but that was more as a joke as the thread it went with the thread subject, and for taste and decency reasons and to try and keep ta with a high standard and not porn and sex everywhere, especially with the amount of porn in chillout, thread closed.

ps. If you want to no what made me close it, site suggestions>state of chillout page 3, + peeps complaining in ta chat.


peace out


Posted by fastmp3 on Sep-19-2001 05:31:

ok guys i want to talk about what's happening in the music discussion forum right now . This section became download-leech of the day . Where are the good old topics & threads that discuss about music , dj's , big trance event , etc ... ? I'm not against sharing stuffs , i admit that i love downloading tunes , live sets , albums , vids , etc. but i don't like to see a music discussion corner changing into mp3 sharing . If we don't do nothing about it , leechers will come and take the music without saying at least "thank you" or something like that . I am also against creating a download of the day section because of the same reasons . I think the music discussion forum used to be an awesome place to share our opinions on tracks , dj's etc. , and i also think that it must be like it used to be before (sorry for the poor english skills) . Swamper please do something


Posted by Paul Wilson on Sep-19-2001 15:18:

quote:
Originally posted by FASTDJMP3
ok guys i want to talk about what's happening in the music discussion forum right now . This section became download-leech of the day . Where are the good old topics & threads that discuss about music , dj's , big trance event , etc ... ? I'm not against sharing stuffs , i admit that i love downloading tunes , live sets , albums , vids , etc. but i don't like to see a music discussion corner changing into mp3 sharing . If we don't do nothing about it , leechers will come and take the music without saying at least "thank you" or something like that . I am also against creating a download of the day section because of the same reasons . I think the music discussion forum used to be an awesome place to share our opinions on tracks , dj's etc. , and i also think that it must be like it used to be before (sorry for the poor english skills) . Swamper please do something


You should have posted that as a new thread!


Posted by mindshooter on Sep-21-2001 12:31:

Yeah U actually have a point...i thought of that to....
But how do we solve it? We cant remove Direct DLs...cause everybody wants them....i just think...that you should set up some rulz......
Like..only 1 per week and you have to have it up 1 week + no link stealing....


Posted by ant1832 on Sep-22-2001 03:05:

I for one have never really posted in the chillout room and rarely even go in there unless I'm really bored. Since I first joined TA I knew that that section was useless.

I know there aren't many HoM fans here, but they had the same exact problem w/ their party central section. Here's what they did.
1. They moved the the link to the section to the bottom of the page
2. They limited new topics to one new topic per person per week.
3. They eliminated post counts

Just moving it to the bottom of the page really helped out because new members didn't realize it was there. As far as limiting posts, not my cup of tea and just more work for moderators but it is effective.


I feel that there should be some type of vip section, but just like everyone else I'm stumped as to how to pick the vip's. I do know, however, that it cannot be based on post count. I'm still under 300, but I think that I have actually contributed to TA w/ the TA Track of the Week idea I'm running. Where as some others w/ 2000 posts have just talked about stupid sh*t in the chillout room. Them becoming a vip wouldn't be fair. I think that if there were a vip section I for one would post more direct downloads. I was talking to x-dream about this the other day. He said he had 150 dl's of a track he posted on direct dl and there were only 15 replies. That gives us an idea of how many leechers are lurking just waited to steal our links. W/ a Vip section at least we know it is other vip members, who are also sharing, that are getting the tracks and if they don't reply to every thread that's fine. It's the people that aren't even registered and have never contributed to anything on this site that piss me off


Well good luck to you Swamper...the larger this place gets, the harder it will be to control. I have faith that you will make this place what it should be--a great place to share thoughts and files w/ other trance lovers.


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