TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Music Discussion
-- Electronic music has to be....
Pages (2): « 1 [2]

Re: Electronic music has to be....

quote:

Originally posted by Shook1 ....and come on....what other form of music do u know that can take any song thats out right now and put their own spin on it and create different mixes and a different sound and feel.

erm the People that are producing on TA forum, are one of those people..

and i understand your point of view, for example britny spears, dont compose her tracks, nor write, to make a long story short, she does no shit and get rich, or people like idols.it is sometimes frustrating, but hey thats the shitty world we live in, i guess we need to accept that.

I have to say i don't aggree fully with your opinion about all music is not made with love for music but only for money, you are focusing on the famous people, for example last time i saw this clip of a guy called Pete Philly, on a channel Called The Box, it was such a great hiphop track, it was really warren G sounds with nice lyrics( i love warren G)now he ain't famous because i never heard a track before from him, but i could hear this guy was really trying to make nice music, if you compare that with busta ryhmes or something, you know in an instant that busta made real fast a lame track to make more millions.

And its not that fault of the artist, that he makes lame tracks, he makes 1 good track (which is his first track) to promote his name, and then make stupid ones to keep cashing in, so tell your sister to stop buying idols crap

While I agree trance is very good music, you have to look beyond radio played music in other genres. If we take radio trance and compare it to radio hard rock, you'll notice they both suck. There is plenty of great/amazing non-trance music (yes it's good without vocals), you just have to look harder.

It's just personal opinion if you ask me. Of course people say to me that electronic music has no soul, or call it repetitive and boring, or say it's music for neds and simple people, and people on ecstasy, that pisses me off because most of them listen to a style that might not be to my taste, but at least I don't generalize, or say insulting things about their music. Electronic stuff just seems to be considered, by the 'purists' and 'real music lovers', to be the lowest of the low when it comes to music.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Re: Electronic music has to be....

quote:

Originally posted by Shook1 You can consider electronic artists these days the new-age composers of our time as was Beethoven and Bach, etc.

i disagree.. nowadays, edm producers focus on sound and less on melody.. bach and beethoven were very limited in terms of ability to create different sounds, they had a limited number of instruments to compose their music.. that's what makes them genious, they produced incredible pieces with those very few instruments.. now, producers have access to so much more sounds and effects, so that the need to compose an extremely intelligent melody has disappeared.. to make sure all these different sounds and effects sound well together is an art, that is true, but in my opinion it is not as complicated as what bach had to do.. in other words, i wouldn't compare them to composers of a few centuries ago, because back then music was far more intelligent..

quote:

Originally posted by dosed It's just personal opinion if you ask me. Of course people say to me that electronic music has no soul, or call it repetitive and boring, or say it's music for neds and simple people, and people on ecstasy, that pisses me off because most of them listen to a style that might not be to my taste, but at least I don't generalize, or say insulting things about their music. Electronic stuff just seems to be considered, by the 'purists' and 'real music lovers', to be the lowest of the low when it comes to music. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

i know what you mean. one of my friends at school who is a guitar major seems to "look down" on EDM. this guy knows good music when it comes to his fav genres (classical, jazz, rock, alternative or whatever). he's got a good sense for music and tries to openminded but when it comes to EDM he just doesn't put in the effort to get it.
when he first found out that i liked other types of music and knew good artists outside of the electronica spectrum he seemed surprised. it seems like he finds it (at first)weird that i'm into elliot smith or the beatles or bach or whatever.
one time i remember we were driving around and he was fliping thru the radio stations and he came to some cheesey clubby trancey stuff that was being played, and he's like "hey isn't this like the stuff you like?" i laughed my ass off. and said "thats like me turning on goo goo dolls and saying hey isn't this the stuff you like?"

anyway

too many people put down EDM just because they don't take the time to get into it and really understand it, just like many of the people posting here don't seem to take the time to get to know hiphop or other forms of music. there is sooooooooooo much good music out there in different genres. EDM is a new an unique thing because it incorporates so many new sounds and offers the producer so much more freedom to create than other forms of music. but it doesn't have the ability of the artist to really deliver soul or emotion thru an instrument (altho you can counterargue that a DJ sort of takes this role by playing the right song at the right moments).
lyrics are more sound to add to the music to add more elements to it. they also have the ability of communicating messages to people. alot of the great lyricists like bob dylan were like musical poets.
i for one am not naturally drawn to lyrics because i'm not to big on that whole vocal communication thing. and i think thats a major reason i'm so drawn to electronic music. when i hear vocals i don't want them to make sense. i want ot hear the beauty of the voice.

Excellent post, easy to follow, and very thought provoking! Nice!

The main aspect of music that people forget is that ALL music is the same, it all follows the same rudimentary rules. Genres are simply a way that our society has allowed people to brand themselves and be defined.

With this in mind, I can listen to a "mix" by Bach (ever notice how symphonies are a heck of a lot like live sets) and a "mix" by Gabriel and Dresden and find TONS of similarities. The difference between the two is my definition of Trance: It's not just a genre of music, it's the popular (dance) evolution of music with respect to the instruments that are used and manipulated. In that way, G&D are better than Bach, because they've managed to overstep the boundaries of regular instruments and create synthesized music (obviously every other Trance artist does so as well).

So anyways, Trance is better because it is breaking the boundaries of traditional music, which sets it apart VERY distinctly.

great post..but..i disagree bout how only trance is the best music.......imo..i find rock close to one of the best music genre..but i am not talking bout rock bands such as linkin park...bands like nine inch nails..tool....a perfect circle.

quote:

Originally posted by twizta tool

excellent band

fuckin cool topic!!!

/adds to favorites

I never enjoyed music until I first heard trance, now I live for it. #1 - nice post!

you're completely right ,electronic music can give U such a special feeling. People who don't like this music will never understand that.
Electronic music is not just something temporary like rap for exemple. It has been there for more than 12 years now and it's popularity is still growing. I'm sure that within a couple of years beside the hard rock cafe there's the TA cafe

respect

You know, for four years i've been looking for something that whenever somebody slags off my music, I can just slap them round the face with. I think i've found it.

For that, I am truely grateful!!

agreed

There are those who support electronica music, and those who don't.

And I'm proud to say I'm a supporter.

I'm open to all genre's as most of you are, however if there's one selection that creates "the vibe" or more or less brings out the inner "me" would have to be electronica music, I'm sure most of you who have experienced these types of things when you're first introduced into electronica music would know what I'm talking about, or you can call me crazy.

i think music is one of the best things about life, period. i have loved music since the day i was born and it has always been an important part of who i am in a variety of ways. the last few years, i have been totally captivated by electronic music, learning more and more about it, and loving it even more.

i think electronic music is awesome. it as an art, like any other "good" music. i say good because some music is just shit.... but good is not up to me to decide, its up to any person who knows and cares for music. the great thing about electronic music is that it allows for a creativity DIFFERENT from any other form. someone mentioned radiohead.... im glad you did, they are an AWESOME fuckin band. and i mean truly mindblowing, amaaaaazing band. but part of their late creativity and intensity comes from learning to use electronic music into their own. they shocked the world when releasing Kid A, and showed how talented and creative they really were - not some random poppy rock band from britain known for the song "creep". this is just one example as to why electronic music making lends itself a DIFFERENT kind of creativity that is not achievable through other music. all music has the power/potential to sweep you off your feet.... electronic music removes the bounds and makes the room for novelty and creativity INFINTE.

dJohn...dont act so overpowering of your intellect and knowledge of "HIP-HOP" I do live in North America and i have watched so many "IT" music genres crash to the ground. I am very aware of music and the cultures that surround most of them. Although I don�t live in a very big urban center and I don�t radiate that I know everything�too me the music that reaches the masses, hip-hop (or rap as you said is pass� now to communicate to others) for instance is bleak dry and boring right now. Disco went out, Grunge went out, Dance went out�and I believe rap is next to be suffering a downfall. Hip Hop culture has been pre-packaged and sent around the globe and has become a cultural phenomenon. Which is great because more people are exposed to a new style of music�but when all the corners of the globe only get the cheap shitty rap what happens, the genre turns stagnant and looses what is had and the message that was supposed to come with it. Back in the early 80�s to 90�s rap was unique and thought provoking�.2 Pac, Public Enemy, and so forth had things to say and presented the world with a view of life in urban hell.

My point is I have listened to rap for 10 years now�and I have seen its progression�and to only think I listen to trance is very ignorant on your part, as I have listened to many different styles since I was born. Hip Hop culture I despise and mainstream �Beyonce featuring Jay Z� I hate not because I wont listen to it�but because its gottan out of hand. You have N Sync joining up with Nelly to make money. And my problem is its all about money in North America (as it is all over the world) and when you take a good thing and exploit the hell out of it and I have Wiggers walking all over the place claming their hardcore and gangster I think there�s a problem. That�s my opinion living here in North America�where a white rapper can win an Oscar and his fellow artists before him never got any recognition for paving the way. I just wish people were exposed to more in North America like in Europe it seems its more vast in it�s what�s hot and what�s not�

So ya�hope I made sense�

Arsondude

ffs let ppl listen to whatever they want to and dont say this genre is the and this the worst..your favourite genre will change with time anyway.. you can�t listen straight 3 years to uplifting trance you need some other music, too believe me.. But I think trance has the biggest mp3 community every track get ripped... you can�t say that about drum n bass or oldschool or something!! but buy some vinyls there is so much great music out there more than just trance (trance is my favourite genre thought)

i cant understand how ppl can listen to hip-hop or rap thought But if they want to listen to this shit.. Why not ??

Thats what i am saying enjoy your music...music is to be enjoyed so much politics...

Whatever makes you feel good...

Arsondude

There's a lot to chew on here, and a couple of things I feel the need to respond to.

First off, the myth that "possibilities of electronic music are endless" as opposed to acoustic instruments. That arguement's been used over and over to sell synths since the DX7 in '82. Bull. A DX7 just sounds like a DX7, a filtered sawtooth sounds like a filtered sawtooth, a 303 with distortion sounds like a 303 with distortion, etc. It's the arrangements and especially the MIX that makes each production sound unique, and that applies to any set of instruments in any genre. For example, an acoustic guitar in a Simon and Garfunkel song sounds very different from an acoustic guitar in a Jewel song, the same way Euro kicks and Goa kicks sound very different though they're both kicks.

Regarding how long electronic music's been around, keep in mind that it was originally called Electroacoustic Composition and it was the property of university teachers and Serious Composer-type geeks. Think of those black-and-white interviews from the 60's with some scary bearded guy standing in front of a wall-sized machine "Many composers won't accept electronic computer music, perhaps because they're afraid of it. BEEEEEEEP BLIP BLIP BLIP BLIP BLIP BLEEEEP" Then came Kraftwerk and disco in the 70s and the rest is history. So it's weird to see ultra-hip music come from a background like this.

As far as which has been around longer, EDM or hip hop, that's hard to say. One culture can be traced back to Levin and Knuckles, the other back to Kool Herc, all of whom started around the early 70's, and the prototypes go even earlier.

quote:

Originally posted by Taz There's a lot to chew on here, and a couple of things I feel the need to respond to. First off, the myth that "possibilities of electronic music are endless" as opposed to acoustic instruments..

by electronic music, i for one was not speaking of one electronic device.... yes the possibilities ARE relatively unlimited to other music. because electronic music, encompasses a lot more than the sound of one synth. you have your hardware, you have your software, you have your effects and in all this, there is so much room to change the sound. obviously, in this day almost all music takes advantage of electronics and computers.... but the possibility of alterartion and creation of sound lies in the electronic side of music. those in other genres that have redefined sound are almost always using the same types of techniques in electronic music.

note- electronic music is a much larger categorization than electronic DANCE music, which is a kind of music under EM.

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.