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Viber, only his Radio Show (Oakenfold Presents) are mixed in pro tools. All his livesets are done by him mixing live. All his 99 Essential Mixes are live & ect. Dance Department is a radio station.

With any other dj as well, all live sets are live mixing. 95% prefer to do it in pro tools to get the cd's perfect technically.

Alot of you dont know that no matter how big an artist is that in contract not all gigs allow the artist to record his set nor for it to be broadcasted, therefor if you have a weekly radio show, you need a sure way of you getting your mixes out. Especially if you're under contract your obligated in doing so. Therefor, thats why dj's use pro tools and there own material to get there mixes out.

Alot of it has to do with contracts and promotion so its not all 100% the artist decision.

JaY

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Originally posted by dj willie whop who really gives a shit....i hate this whole argument, it is kind of like the whole cddj's vs vinyl dj's....some people are just hung up on the "stereotypical dj" and if the dj he admires is seen spinning cdrs he loses all respect for him..... god dammit people have we forgotten what this is ALL about... ITS ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC!!!!! christ people all the tracks u hear on vinyl were produced on a computer anyway, whats the big fuckin deal. if u can groove to it and it makes u feel better about yourself who gives a shit if its being played on vinyl, cd, final scratch, laptop, etc....... ive done gigs before using %98 cdr's the whole time, then afterwards people would come up....and be like "great set!!!, i loved this, this, etc......." then they see my book of cdr's and are like..."pffft" nevermind u use cd's. that kind of shit pisses me off. get with the future, vinyl will not always be the strongest media for djs in the future, get use to seeing alot more laptops, etc....

werd. i totaly agree.

you people are forgeting what its all about.
what makes a DJ good is being able to play a certian type of music that reflects their personality and knowing how to play the right type of that music to move a crowd and make them feel the music and have a wonderful time.
their technical ability only matters in the fact that it adds to the musical experience. their mixs should be smooth enough so that it eases poeple into the next song. trainwrecks sound bad and deter from the flow of the music. if they are turntablists, then they should use their skills to make wonderful sounds that add to the music and help bring people higher.
when a DJ is making a set for a CD or a radioshow, he isn't playing for a live crowd. its totaly different, he has to make a set of songs and string them together in any way he or she seems to make a wonderful flow. programs like protools makes this alot easier and less time consuming for them. they can make mixs which sound perfect, they can transition songs with totaly different BPMs and make them sound good together they can add to the song. the list of what they can add is endless. they can make their set for either a CD or radio station SOUND BETTER.

now for a live crowd tho, you can't string together a set before hand because every crowd is different. and the DJ needs to play the song that the vibe at that moment needs. any DJ with any amount of skill knows that you never pre plan a set. you may plan out a couple of songs to start things out or maybe a small string of songs that work together here and there, but most of it is ad lib. they feel what song is right for the moment and which will work to ease out of the next song and they find that perfect match and they go with it.

the beatles never pre planed their shows because they knew this as artists and played whatever song was right for the moment.

too many people get caught up in the ability of a DJ to mix proporly, and while that is important, they tend to ignore the DJ's main purpose of what makes them really good.
i hear too many DJ's at shows who have perfect mixing ability, but their sets suck because they aren't moving at all. they play the same monotonous song after the other. they have no feel for the crowd, they just play the next song cuz it "sounds good" with the last song.

thank you very much montie....

ive seen many performances with djs using laptops half the time and had a fuckin blast! but all u trainspotters and whoever out there who spend the whole damn time watching the dj's every move need to get your head out your asses and just relax and have a good time, let loose, dance for christs fuckin sake.....but the djs still had crowd interaction, etc...got them all pumped and what not....


but anyway....who really gives a shit.....wait 10-20 yrs now....music will be COMPLETELY digital...but most of yall are too ignorant to accept the fact that one day vinyl will be obsolete...peace

Hey, as you guys know, Markus Schulz reads these forums, and even though I told him to get his own screename, I still get stuck posting his thought for him from time to time. So here is a word from Markus.............ok I have to chime in on this conversation. Pro tools DOES NOT mix the tracks for you. Pro tools is a comprehensive multi track recording application. What people use pro tools for is to perfect their sets. DJ's will record a tune on track 1 and 2 (stereo), and then the next track on channels 3 and 4. The still have to mix the tracks into the comp using the pitch control on the turntable or CD player. After the transition has been layed down, the DJ can then go in and fine tune using EQ sweeps, volume automation or looping certain parts to make the transition smoother. It actually takes more time to do a set in pro tools. Also when you are done with the set, you have to "bounce" the set to disc, which is done in real time. So...lets add this up, a 1 hour set.....takes (at the very least 1 hour to upload into the computor with transitions, another 1-3 hours to do the appropriate editing and automation, and then another hour to bounce back down. Thats at least 3 or more hours to do a 60 minute set!!! So if you see a set that a DJ has done in protools, be honored that they have gone through the extra effort to give you a perfected mix. It means they care about their product. Therefor I find it hard to believe that Oakenfold uses pro tools for his Stateside/93.1 sets. It only adds to the workload, when all Oaky needs to do is hit record and play on a cd recorder and an hour later he is done.

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Originally posted by globalgirl Hey, as you guys know, Markus Schulz reads these forums, and even though I told him to get his own screename, I still get stuck posting his thought for him from time to time. So here is a word from Markus.............ok I have to chime in on this conversation. Pro tools DOES NOT mix the tracks for you. Pro tools is a comprehensive multi track recording application. What people use pro tools for is to perfect their sets. DJ's will record a tune on track 1 and 2 (stereo), and then the next track on channels 3 and 4. The still have to mix the tracks into the comp using the pitch control on the turntable or CD player. After the transition has been layed down, the DJ can then go in and fine tune using EQ sweeps, volume automation or looping certain parts to make the transition smoother. It actually takes more time to do a set in pro tools. Also when you are done with the set, you have to "bounce" the set to disc, which is done in real time. So...lets add this up, a 1 hour set.....takes (at the very least 1 hour to upload into the computor with transitions, another 1-3 hours to do the appropriate editing and automation, and then another hour to bounce back down. Thats at least 3 or more hours to do a 60 minute set!!! So if you see a set that a DJ has done in protools, be honored that they have gone through the extra effort to give you a perfected mix. It means they care about their product. Therefor I find it hard to believe that Oakenfold uses pro tools for his Stateside/93.1 sets. It only adds to the workload, when all Oaky needs to do is hit record and play on a cd recorder and an hour later he is done.

finally a logical response corresponding to pro tools

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Originally posted by tu_face oakey should quit snorting coke and mix some.

First jokenfold, now cokenfold...**sigh**

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Originally posted by globalgirl Hey, as you guys know, Markus Schulz reads these forums, and even though I told him to get his own screename, I still get stuck posting his thought for him from time to time. So here is a word from Markus.............ok I have to chime in on this conversation. Pro tools DOES NOT mix the tracks for you. Pro tools is a comprehensive multi track recording application. What people use pro tools for is to perfect their sets. DJ's will record a tune on track 1 and 2 (stereo), and then the next track on channels 3 and 4. The still have to mix the tracks into the comp using the pitch control on the turntable or CD player. After the transition has been layed down, the DJ can then go in and fine tune using EQ sweeps, volume automation or looping certain parts to make the transition smoother. It actually takes more time to do a set in pro tools. Also when you are done with the set, you have to "bounce" the set to disc, which is done in real time. So...lets add this up, a 1 hour set.....takes (at the very least 1 hour to upload into the computor with transitions, another 1-3 hours to do the appropriate editing and automation, and then another hour to bounce back down. Thats at least 3 or more hours to do a 60 minute set!!! So if you see a set that a DJ has done in protools, be honored that they have gone through the extra effort to give you a perfected mix. It means they care about their product. Therefor I find it hard to believe that Oakenfold uses pro tools for his Stateside/93.1 sets. It only adds to the workload, when all Oaky needs to do is hit record and play on a cd recorder and an hour later he is done.

Now see this makes more sense because this what I originally heard Pro Tools was used for was basically to perfect a set, which I think we should at least agree on is a good thing. I must admit that sounding far fetched that the computer could mix as well as a human but then I saw how much it cost and thought it cant be that out the question. Because I was almost crushed when I heard T.P.O.D. was mixed on computer but then someone explained to me the correct way they were used and thats only to perfect the mix.

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Originally posted by globalgirl Hey, as you guys know, Markus Schulz reads these forums, and even though I told him to get his own screename, I still get stuck posting his thought for him from time to time. So here is a word from Markus.............ok I have to chime in on this conversation. Pro tools DOES NOT mix the tracks for you. Pro tools is a comprehensive multi track recording application. What people use pro tools for is to perfect their sets. DJ's will record a tune on track 1 and 2 (stereo), and then the next track on channels 3 and 4. The still have to mix the tracks into the comp using the pitch control on the turntable or CD player. After the transition has been layed down, the DJ can then go in and fine tune using EQ sweeps, volume automation or looping certain parts to make the transition smoother. It actually takes more time to do a set in pro tools. Also when you are done with the set, you have to "bounce" the set to disc, which is done in real time. So...lets add this up, a 1 hour set.....takes (at the very least 1 hour to upload into the computor with transitions, another 1-3 hours to do the appropriate editing and automation, and then another hour to bounce back down. Thats at least 3 or more hours to do a 60 minute set!!! So if you see a set that a DJ has done in protools, be honored that they have gone through the extra effort to give you a perfected mix. It means they care about their product. Therefor I find it hard to believe that Oakenfold uses pro tools for his Stateside/93.1 sets. It only adds to the workload, when all Oaky needs to do is hit record and play on a cd recorder and an hour later he is done.

thank you markus for clearing it up... i see the oaky bashers going back into the shadows... but seriously who cares if protools did automate the process... someone obviously had to decide the tracklist order... the journey is what's important--not who gets you there... and let's face it some people are way better at it that then others... i would prefer a slightly "trainwrecked" set that took me somewhere than an absolutely flawless set that took me nowhere cuz the last thing i will be doing at a club is commenting at how flawless a DJ's really boring set was.... that's probably because i already left and went to another room

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