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hehe, yeah.. the light synth noise panned to the left is a subtractor, i cant remember if it has scream 4 or not, but im pretty sure i know the one you are talking about and its a sub.

about the main lead.. i always seem to stray away from a main lead in my songs and i always dabble around with different instruments and sounds to keep it interesting, but i have had other comments like yours about having a main lead and i think in my next production that will be the next step i take into learning how to do a main lead to bring it all together and give a main theme.

anyways, glad you like it!

Well Ive said this in many places and many mis understand me, So far Im using fruityloops and I can get a good song basis but it still sounds amature, I Eq it correctly and it gets a little better.

No matter who I ask I am said its me, but im sure Fruityloops (allthough a great program) is nothing of the standard of programs 3 times the price,

ever used fruity, what would you rate it. I need an opinon of someone who is producing tracks in the quality I want to be


Also how many instances of the same synths did you use etc.

its not that fruity loops is a bad program (and its not), but some people work better with different tools. i would suggest that if you are having trouble with fruity to try something like reason or cubase (or the two combined.. thats my favorite setup using rewire and working in both reason and cubase together simultaneously).

also, another reason you might not be getting the sound you want is because you arent using enough effects.. i use a lot of reverb and delays (with the delay i do a lot of stereo effects like make the delay go to the left and then pan the instrument to the right so you get sound boucing from left to right and such.. that combined with the right amount of reverb and maybe some other fx will you get a more 'pro' sound (just dont use too much or it will sound 'muddy' because there is too much crap going on). with the layers thing, i sometimes use layers (like on that distorted bass sound during the breakbeats) but a lot of the time its a single instrument.. another cool effect you can make is to have two instruments that sound close to the same as each other, but not quite and pan one to the left most of the way and one to the right most of the way and have them play the same thing (doesnt have to be the same thing tho), that will give a nice stereo effect.

well i hope that helps.

Good job Extalin! You were always a perfectionist, when it came to sound, and creation - great job! I knew you'd make something killer.


I remember the original version, and I don't like it at all - this remix uses the vocals better imho. The part when the strings are sweeping in, and the vocals are playing slower (stretched, or lower pitch?) is a little weird, but then I got used to it.


At 5:06 you got some SERIOUS distorted synths goin on. That's pretty cool man. Didn't expect that, lol!


Keep this up Extalin - Your the man, when it comes to producing - and thanks for hookin a brutha up! (PM Me if ya wanna response!) -Mental

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Originally posted by Damie Mckeown Well Ive said this in many places and many mis understand me, So far Im using fruityloops and I can get a good song basis but it still sounds amature, I Eq it correctly and it gets a little better. No matter who I ask I am said its me, but im sure Fruityloops (allthough a great program) is nothing of the standard of programs 3 times the price, ever used fruity, what would you rate it. I need an opinon of someone who is producing tracks in the quality I want to be Also how many instances of the same synths did you use etc.

well.. it's not fruitys fault so it have to be you... caus there is many pro producer that uses fruity.

for example our own parker, cosmic gate, flutlicht, ronski speed i think etc.... so you can make great track's in fruity.. you just have to practise

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Originally posted by dbl well.. it's not fruitys fault so it have to be you... caus there is many pro producer that uses fruity. for example our own parker, cosmic gate, flutlicht, ronski speed i think etc.... so you can make great track's in fruity.. you just have to practise

So true - I've talked to people like 'Goldenscan' - well, Tom of Goldenscan who was a part of 'Sunrise', and he heard one of my songs, and said I used a 'Virus' to make one of the synths, but I had used "3xosc"! LOL! Well, I've been trying my best to master Fruityloops in the short time that I have used it (Year, and a half) and so far, I'm getting good results. One of my friends thinks I've mastered it, but I still think I have SO much work to do.



One thing that Fruity won't teach you is 'synth layering'. You gotta learn how to do that yourself - not only that, the proper use of 'FX', 'Plugins', and 'VST's'. That's your key to sounding pro. Other than that, I can agree with DBL's comment, which is why I quoted it. -Mental

Well Im not an idiot, I actauly know My way around fruity quite well.
I know how to link stuff to one of fruitys internal controlers and change envelope settings. I know basicly what A,D,S and are does I also use the Apreggiator in some of my background melodys and I use sends (although Im not sure why a send it makes it sound different)

But I know all this quite well, Ive been trying to get things fit together as of late with Reverb, decay, panning and I discovered EQ can also help place stuff however things normaly sound seperated Still

But I guess I just need to alter my VST synths or Practise more Trance Style EQing (I started of producing breakbeats).

Anyway Great remix, sorry

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Originally posted by Damie Mckeown No matter who I ask I am said its me, but im sure Fruityloops (allthough a great program) is nothing of the standard of programs 3 times the price,

That's what is natural to assume, but there's so many other factors involved than price. Cubase for example does have lots more features than Fruity, but few people use every one of those features. IMHO the included effects are better than the ones in Fruity, but there are Vst and Direct X effects that sound better than both. The thing is, there is most likely something out there that sounds "better" than what you use. There are compressors available that cost several thousands of dollars, but that doesn't make a freeware Vst compressor obsolete. The same goes with synths. Some of the (top of the line) hardware synths available sounds better than any Vst synth I've ever tried, to my ears that is. Better filters and oscillators , but the difference isn't that big (and only noticable on certain sounds) and absolutely not near an absolute requirement to make a good song. I've heard some really shit songs, both technically and musically, from people that has lots and lots of expensive gear.

So my point is exactly the same as the other has said. With practice you will eventually learn how to get a song sound good no matter what sequencer you use. My advice is to try out the different programs and see what is the most convenient for you to use. And about Fruity Loops, I think so many people in this forum has shown that it's possible to make great tunes in it

Peace

Fatboy - are you still producing? I enjoyed Fresh Fromage, and 'Sound of Goodbye' and I would definetly enjoy to hear more quality work from ya!



Keep trying to find that 'sequencer' that is for you. That's all I gotta say.

bump.

p.s. i saw scott bond spin last night and he tore it up! after the show i gave him a cd with my remix and another song on it and he seemed really cool about it and so i hope he will listen to it. he was a really good dj and a nice guy too. anyway, im off to a party (again lol). i will see you guys later.

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Originally posted by tranzMental Fatboy - are you still producing? I enjoyed Fresh Fromage, and 'Sound of Goodbye' and I would definetly enjoy to hear more quality work from ya! Keep trying to find that 'sequencer' that is for you. That's all I gotta say.

Keep an eye out for his ahem, current remix, it's rather damaging

Downloading it now, looking forward to it (sorry you didnt submit it to the comp, i was hoping you would be able to)

Fatboy's post just about sums it up for me.
There are loads of pro producers out there that use progs like Fruity & reason.
Look at Haak, he uses reason & his track is currently one of the biggest around. there are plenty of Floops users out there as well, Flutlict, cosmicman ect.
It's all about how you use the programme.
Look at me I still use only version 1.01 of reason while everyone else is on version 2.5 lol

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Originally posted by Bren-F Look at me I still use only version 1.01 of reason while everyone else is on version 2.5 lol

yeah... and you totally suck ass
hehehhe... kidding... maybe

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Originally posted by Bren-F Look at me I still use only version 1.01 of reason while everyone else is on version 2.5 lol

not me! i'm still hanging on to 1.01 as well!

but 2.5 is so yummy

lol, it's taken me about a week to get around to downloading this track - dunno why i kept missing it as i love Damaged

anyway - i finally downloaded it last night, and i listened to it about 4 times already - it's brilliant, the way you've used the vocal at half speed in the break is very clever, and once you get used to the way you've phrased the main vocal line it starts to sound even better than the antillas remix

the only downside to the stretched vocal though, it seems maybe it was stretched just a wee bit more than it could handle, there is a bit of digital distortion in it, nothing really annoying, but i've noticed it's there now, and i hear it everytime. But unless you have a lot of expensive hardware that sort of time-stretching will throw up a problem or two.

However, i love this, and will be playing it for a while at least

pity you couldn't enter it to the comp.

as time goes by...wow, I am really deeply impressed by the stuff I can download on this forum right now. Again a tune with superb technical production quality and some really cool synths ( I think I need to destroy some of the trancevision sounds with the scream )

really inspiring


8 /10

Trancevision

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Originally posted by tranzMental Fatboy - are you still producing? I enjoyed Fresh Fromage, and 'Sound of Goodbye' and I would definetly enjoy to hear more quality work from ya!

Yep, I'm still producing Like arctic said, I did a remix of Damaged for the current remix contest that should be available as soon as the judging finishes. Other than that I have lots of stuff to finish scattered around on my computer

Peace

jmf: thanks for the detailed comments . hehe, the vocal during the break was a lot easier to phrase than the main vocal because as you have cleverly noticed the vocal during the break is almost the same as slowing down the original to half speed, but not quite. I still had to phrase a lot of it, but some sections could just be time stretched 200 % and they fit (it still took a lot of edits though). About the distortion.. hehe there is some there, and i tried to cover it up as best i could, but i was timestretching a lot of things to 200% and there were many times i even timestretched things 2 or 3 times over to get it to the length i needed. Im afraid it did affect the quality of the vocals, but hey, one day i will have something other than cubase to handle my timestretching needs .

Trancevision: Thank you for the comments. Didn't you make the song on this forum a while back that has the vocoded vocal that says 'you can't stop evolution' (i like that tune). Hehe yeah, destroying some of your sounds could be interesting ill keep an eye out for anything new you come up with.

thanks again guys.

Got it now

WIcdked track, the slowed down vocal is a great idea. The percs are nice and spacey, well done. The whole track has a spacey/atmospheric feel to it, i really like what you've done with it. My only little gripe is the lack of some energy/drive/a prominent lead, but other than that, there's no faulting it

Amazing work, well done

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Originally posted by tranzMental Fatboy - are you still producing? I enjoyed Fresh Fromage, and 'Sound of Goodbye' and I would definetly enjoy to hear more quality work from ya! Keep trying to find that 'sequencer' that is for you. That's all I gotta say.

Fatboy i have Fresh Fromage on my iPod

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