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^^ true that

I think so yes, look at examples like

Rank 1 - Symsonic
Chicane - Saltwater
Noa Assembly - Into the Fire

I consider these as trance, has no main kick/bassline yet still euphoric and structured.

I consider Burned with Desire and Composure both to be chilled out trance.

I don't think it's dependent on a 4x4 beat.

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Originally posted by Wretched I consider Burned with Desire and Composure both to be chilled out trance. I don't think it's dependent on a 4x4 beat.

Burned With Desire is chilled breaks, if you're analyzing the beat. It obviously has trancey elements but if you must pigeonhole it that's how I'd go about it...

Let me help you nice people out. If you add a 4/4 kick to Burned With Desire, will it sound like trance? Yes. Thus, this song is trance. Thank you very much, I'm here Fridays through Sundays.

I think that the label 'trance' has more to do with the state of mind associated with listening to the music, as opposed to any common technical features.

The more I think about it, though, the more holes I pick in the above statement. So here's a new one: who really gives a shit?

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Originally posted by Rakoon Let me help you nice people out. If you add a 4/4 kick to Burned With Desire, will it sound like trance? Yes. Thus, this song is trance. Thank you very much, I'm here Fridays through Sundays.

If you add a 4/4 kick to radiohead - street spirit, you'd have a song sounding very close to trance too, coon

Yeah, who cares though.

Why do trance songs need a kick?

Ambient trance has no kick

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Originally posted by starglider Yes, and the word house means "A structure serving as a dwelling for one or more persons, especially for a family." So is that what house music sounds like? What relevance does that have? Absolutely none. Having said that, I think there is some largely beatless music you could classify as trance for lack of a better term. Lots of "chillout" is based on trance tunes and thus doesn't really fall under any other category. Call it ambient trance if you like? Still, most stuff we call chillout has breakbeat components and should probably be called breaks before anything else. Also, "chillout" is not equivalent to ambient and real ambient is most definitely not trance.

haha

But these days, producers are crossing the lines and certain people cannot tell the difference. Certain tracks you hear, you think progressive trance or progressive and some have elements of both. I think producers will always be pushing the lines and creating new sounds for us to listen to. I think it also takes someone who has been listening to trance and electronic music, a lot longer than others to tell the differences because it comes with time.

I think it could be. Depends I guess.

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Originally posted by MoSH_MaN It all based on a 4/4 beat so ... NO Cheers , /m0sh

What about 'Umek - Gatex'?

No 4/4 beats there.

gatex is techno.

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Originally posted by torontotrance gatex is techno.

Same premise...

really?...why you think that?

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Originally posted by torontotrance really?...why you think that?

Surely techno is more dependant on 4/4 beats than trance.

So what you're basically saying, by challenging my statement, is that it's more common for techno to be beatless than trance now?

Strange.

NO, frankly I did not understand your statement in the beginning, so that is why I asked that question. 4/4 is more common with house but then again producers are innovating and using everything to make songs these days.

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Originally posted by torontotrance gatex is techno.

Gatex is iffy � While I agree it is first and foremost a Techno tune, play it in a trance set properly and it can get away with being trance.

People, in general, take a too exclusivist perspective with trance which is why there is so much bitching about how �it was better back in the day� and that very few good trance songs are being made.

Tunes with out a beat sure can be called trance.

yeah

i think the theory of "trance" music is that the beat is supposed to eventually put you into a trance-like state, and if thats correct then without a beat, a tune couldn't be trance...beatless stuff is ambient.

truly, any music that has the power to take my mind to a different place I consider trance music, but if its the more conventional definitions you are looking at, no not really. The only "trance" song I could see being considered trance without any drumbeats is a track that you would lay over the top of something else, like an a capella

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Originally posted by MoSH_MaN It all based on a 4/4 beat so ... NO Cheers , /m0sh

wavy gravy is a 3/4 u are now owned
as for a 0/0 that is ambient techno aka chillout

i think people spend to much time whoring genres, do you like, then listen to it fuck genres fuck em with a big long jagged wooden stick

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Originally posted by DJDigDug wavy gravy is a 3/4 u are now owned as for a 0/0 that is ambient techno aka chillout

Umm... don't use terms like that.
4/4 marks a time signature, not the amount of beats used.

And Wavy Gravy isn't even trance.

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Originally posted by torontotrance Why do trance songs need a kick? Ambient trance has no kick

ambient has percussion..

it's new age u must be talking about..

trance always has a kick, it's a part of the genre..

ambient and new age have similar elements, but they are not a subgenre of trance, because there's no 4/4 kicks involved..

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Originally posted by Shad0wmaster i think the theory of "trance" music is that the beat is supposed to eventually put you into a trance-like state, and if thats correct then without a beat, a tune couldn't be trance...beatless stuff is ambient.

Why the hell do producers put these massive long breakdowns with no beat in trance tunes then? Going by your argument looped techno has more claim to being trance than trance does.

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