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Posted by Resnick on Sep-03-2003 03:17:

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL
trance is a drug!!


oh come on now, we all know trance isnt addictive, who are you trying to fool


Posted by dEsidEL on Sep-03-2003 03:18:

KarateKid

quote:
Originally posted by Resnick
oh come on now, we all know trance isnt addictive, who are you trying to fool


you're right! sex is !!


Posted by trancearmada on Sep-03-2003 04:00:

Rasta

on the happier note:

Dutch back prescription cannabis
Monday, September 1, 2003 Posted: 7:34 AM EDT (1134 GMT)

Many chronically ill people already buy cannabis from Dutch coffee shops.

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (Reuters) -- The Netherlands on Monday became the world's first country to make cannabis available as a prescription drug in pharmacies to treat cancer, HIV and multiple sclerosis patients, the Health Ministry said.

The Netherlands is making the drug widely available to chronically ill patients amid pressure on countries like Britain, Canada, Australia and the United States to relax restrictions on its supply as a medicine....

the rest of the article is here: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europ...reut/index.html


Posted by artie on Sep-03-2003 04:12:

Hello!

oops...
show some character there.

a.


Posted by Mr. Furious on Sep-03-2003 04:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper


Why do you think the "regulations of the local authorities plays an equally big part?" You mean, weed shouldn't be considered a drug because the local authorities have eased their focus on it as such?


I think that has a lot to do with government propaganda.

Have you ever seen the movie grass?

Great movie.

Have you seen refer madness? Fuckin hilarious...but the true irony is that it's not even supposed to be funny.

The reason I brought up caffienne is because it's physically addictive as opposed to weed which is only psychologically addictive. Many people fail to realize that and seem to think caffienne is totally harmless.


Posted by cap on Sep-03-2003 05:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Furious
I think that has a lot to do with government propaganda.

Have you ever seen the movie grass?

Great movie.

Have you seen refer madness? Fuckin hilarious...but the true irony is that it's not even supposed to be funny.

The reason I brought up caffienne is because it's physically addictive as opposed to weed which is only psychologically addictive. Many people fail to realize that and seem to think caffienne is totally harmless.


ya!!! my mom goes nutz without her morning coffee... I'm fine w/o my weed!


Posted by jester_ on Sep-03-2003 06:19:

Jester

Weed is a drug like all other drugs..... But it is all natural in the way that it is purely a plant... Either way a good spliff every once in a while is fine.


Posted by drewfactor on Sep-03-2003 07:51:

I thought I was addicted to weed. I used to smoke (and still do smoke less often) by myself. I thought this was a sure sign of addiction. I just like to spark a spliff now and again on my own and it would send me off into my own world and made me feel really happy. FOr me though, the high lost its charm and kinda just got a bit boing...it just wasn't the same (or maybe I just haven't smoked some really good shit in a while). So, I found it easy to cut back. Also, I was finding myself very prone to lung infections all the time. I still love weed though...love the smell of fresh resinous buds, I love grinding it or breaking it up, rolling it, the sight of a well constructed spliff, sparking it, taking a big haul, the feeling of the buzz after it first hits you, the sound of music when your high, the taste of a cold beer or even a coffee when you get the pasties....psychological addiction to say the least!


Posted by loconet on Sep-03-2003 14:50:

Cool

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL
true!

(yet beware the TOTA NARCs, I hear they look a lot like loconet, Tordan, ryanm, and rabbitjoker) ..


Watch it boi! You should learn from SP and keep your mouth shut.


Posted by ryanm on Sep-03-2003 15:17:

Invisible Grin

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL
true!

(yet beware the TOTA NARCs, I hear they look a lot like loconet, Tordan, ryanm, and rabbitjoker) ..


who me???










PS, Em remember the deal we made, I woudln't bust you for being so cool as long as you kept my identity on the down low.....shhhhhhhhsh


Posted by JahSun on Sep-03-2003 17:03:

i dont smoke anymore due to health reasons, but i used to be a cronic, like a min of 1/8th a day, no bs. i would basically smoke when ever i had nothing to do. my remedy, get a hobby or something to keep you busy.

it also makes you paranoid, i personally think i was a better driver stoned, more catiose and shit. and of course mcdonalds kills more people than weed, its impossible to OD on weed.

i like to post here www.yahooka.com


Posted by nismodreams on Sep-03-2003 20:18:

<-- used to smoke heavy a few years back...haven't touched the stuff in years...not my type of drug(plus a bad experience)...
tho i hang around with friends who dope allll the time...people offer me the odd spliff at clubs, here and there, and when i refuse they look at me like wtf is wrong with you...lol

drugs are drugs...also depends on what type of personality you have and what works for you and what doesnt...tho not everybody is mature enough to learn that...
its quite simple actually..you f... with drugs, they'll f... you right back!

heres an interesting read..
http://www.dancesafe.org/documents/.../risk.php#death


Posted by StereoPrincess on Sep-03-2003 21:59:

quote:
Originally posted by loconet
Watch it boi! You should learn from SP and keep your mouth shut.


Yeah, Emery. If you don't make it public he'll leave the two of us alone.


Posted by trancearmada on Sep-04-2003 00:45:

Well what about cigarets, they are more addictive than weed and kill more people a year than weed. And it's legal, you could say the same thing for alcohol. Alcohol has ruined a lot of families and kills a shit loads of people every year. But no both are considered to be good taxable drugs, from which the government makes shit loads of money...

But regardless, if you have less than 15grams on you nowdays... it does not even matter no more...You don't get a criminal record. I mean it's still considered illegal to smoke it, but possesion of less than 15g is technically not illegal anylonger, and apparently for possesion of less than 15g you just get a fine... all because of the case decision out in British Columbia (I think it was B.C. but not 100% sure) this summer.....





Posted by Fir3start3r on Sep-04-2003 01:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Furious
I think this discussion is entirely open for debate.

While social acceptability plays a big part, I think the regulations of the local authorities plays an equally big part.

I think of weed as being completely separate from other "drugs" because of its less physically addictive quantites and the fact that it's not as mind altering.

caffienne is considered as a drug because it's highly addictive, and alters your mood, and yet, nobody seems to think so....

conversely, alchohol is more dangerous than marijuana has ever been and yet people still think marijuana is so bad.


Agrees.

Coffee and Tobacco are big business and as Trancearmada has pointed out, big government cash cows.

I've been around it all my life and see it used mostly as a crutch, much like alcohol; cept alcohol does far more damage...

It's amazing how much damage "Reefer Madness" has caused...
(and how much mis-information there is).

I don't smoke it myself just because it's not a novelty for me but I have been known to have a toke now and again...

But the biggest reason is my wife is hyper-sensitive to narcotics...


Posted by Durafei on Sep-04-2003 01:48:

quote:
Well what about cigarets, they are more addictive than weed and kill more people a year than weed. And it's legal, you could say the same thing for alcohol. Alcohol has ruined a lot of families and kills a shit loads of people every year. But no both are considered to be good taxable drugs, from which the government makes shit loads of money...


Well, of course alcohol and tobacco kill way more people than weed. Not nearly as many people smoke weed! You can say all you want about how weed is not as bad as tobacco or alcohol, but the fact of the matter is - weed hasn't been researched nearly as much as tobacco or alcohol.

IMHO smoking weed all the time does make you slower and stupider. I've known a few people who've been smoking all the time(once,twice a day) and they are really slow. Their short-term memory is fucked ! Cigarretes on the other hand - well, at least they don't fuck up your brain.

Having said that, everything is ok in moderation. The problem with drugs is that few people only do them once, and as soon as you start doign it - how do you know if you are doing it in moderation or not ?? Another problem is that you don't notice the side effects immediately. I've done my share of pills, there are no side effects yet, but who the hell knows how am I going to be 30 years from now..


Posted by Fir3start3r on Sep-04-2003 04:27:

Rasta Ja mon....

quote:
Originally posted by Durafei
IMHO smoking weed all the time does make you slower and stupider.


Stupider?

Hahahahaha.....

Keep smokin'....


Posted by Aidonis on Sep-08-2003 16:41:

quote:
Well, of course alcohol and tobacco kill way more people than weed. Not nearly as many people smoke weed! You can say all you want about how weed is not as bad as tobacco or alcohol, but the fact of the matter is - weed hasn't been researched nearly as much as tobacco or alcohol.


That's just not true. There has been plenty of research on grass and thc, but most of it was done in the 60's and 70's; here in the US, getting grass from the government for research is nearly impossible. It's one thing for everyone to know the truth in theory, it's a whole new can of beans when it becomes fact.

The government in the US is just absurd. They absolutely refuse to admit that they made a mistake in classifing grass in the same category as coke and heroin, so the charade continue's, until one of our states finally gets the balls to legalize it. I think after the first falls, the domino effect will ensue, god only knows when that will be though.

If they were smart, they'd legalize it and fund the countries public school's via grass taxes, but no one ever said the US was smart, just strong.


Posted by Richard Taylor on Sep-08-2003 17:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Flec
anyone who has tried shrooms, or anything else hard would agree, weed is not a drug!!!


Shrooms are not hard.....they are comaparable to weed becauase they grow naturally.
Hard drugs are synthetic. They are fabricated in labratories (or basements).

And yes....I am totally addicted.


Posted by grafal on Sep-08-2003 19:38:

Like said in the original post, I am not physically addicted to weed...but mentally I am. I love the chilled out feeling I get from it. Pretty much smoke it everyday, or whenever I can. Somedays between school and work I might not have time which doesnt bother me. I don't think about smoking it when I'm not or I can't. But whenever the oppurtunity is there I will always smoke it because its just too damn good. A lot of people like to come home and have a beer or two or possibly a drink or whatever. Well I like to come home after a long day and smoke a joint, thats about it.


Posted by DeE420 on Sep-08-2003 22:36:

Rasta

Well once upon a time in 1776 Thomas Jefferson signed his name on a piece of marijuana, and this document was a symbol of freedom and of liberty, at least for the rich, white, gentry. And time marched along, this plant that I referred to has been used for everything from medicine to the American flag. And now it seems to me that somewhere along the way things got messed up, yeah, messed up, for marijuana.

A gift of God to my brothers and me. Oh marijuana�the government wants to test me when I pee.

Well some say a conspiracy, ? chemical and ? paper industries combined to kill the competition, government hysteria, monopoly, and conflict of interest, with total impunity. Yeah, so, if you don�t buy the conspiracy, just look at the reality that your tax dollars go to spray poison on the fields of a farmer in South America. And as an added bonus, your neighbor might be the proud recipient of that poison weed.

Oh marijuana�the government wants to test me when I pee. Oh marijuana�a gift of God to my brothers and me. Oh marijuana�you can�t legislate your own morality. Oh marijuana�the government wants to test me when I pee.

Free from madness, chronic sadness, what is the half-life of bad propaganda? The policies fail, denied bail, you made him a demon now pay for his trip to prison. Hard to promote the status quote, but what is the shelf life of bad legislation? The hypocrite smirks, it�s a moral disgrace as he reads from the law that was written about the same time that he had his last original thoughts. Men said he was dying and the nausea and the pain left him wasting away and unable to keep a meal down. So he tried everything prescription could obtain but to no avail. The side effects were worse than the pain. So now he breaks the law to use the one thing that seems to help him out. But the people say, �Oh he�s just gettin high.� Not to change the subject but, didn�t you ever wonder why getting high�s a crime. Yeah a crime.

Oh marijuana�a gift of God to my brothers and me. Oh marijuana�now the government wants to test me when I pee. Oh marijuana�the government wants to test me when I pee. Oh marijuana�the government wants to test me when I pee. Oh marijuana�the government wants to test me when I pee. Oh marijuana�(this is the part where everybody would sing along) when I pee.

Phish - Marijuana


Posted by bobbybrasz on Sep-08-2003 22:44:

Be Cool!

ummm...sorry to interrupt...but....

Does anyone have any papers?


Posted by Skipper on Sep-08-2003 23:18:

Can I just interrupt and say red bulls are a drug.

I had three fed to me on Saturday night at Film and I was awake until 10pm Sunday night. That's more than 36 fucking hours awake on one ephedrine, and three red bulls. No E, no coke, nothing like that...fucking red bull and ephedrine.

what the fuck.

I smoked every last bit of weed we had and ate a gravol to be able to sleep.

Did I somehow do crystal by accident?!?!?!


Posted by aarontrance on Sep-08-2003 23:18:

Re: Ja mon....

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Stupider?

Hahahahaha.....

Keep smokin'....


right off dictionary.com

stu�pid ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu�pid�er, stu�pid�est
Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.

Yeah, that's what I thought

Back to the topic:

I used to smoke it occasionally, but every time after I would feel dumb for days, as if I couldn't think as fast or as proper as before. So I stopped, no problem.

My 15 year old brother has been smoking it for 3 years now... every single day. He is SO damn slow now it isn't even funny. I tell him every day to stop, and he says he will cause he knows it's effecting his brain. It never happens . I have no problem with the drug in moderation, but the problem is smoking it every day is NOT moderation!


Posted by DeE420 on Sep-09-2003 01:17:

Re: Re: Ja mon....

quote:
Originally posted by aarontrance
right off dictionary.com

stu�pid ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu�pid�er, stu�pid�est
Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.

Yeah, that's what I thought

Back to the topic:

I used to smoke it occasionally, but every time after I would feel dumb for days, as if I couldn't think as fast or as proper as before. So I stopped, no problem.

My 15 year old brother has been smoking it for 3 years now... every single day. He is SO damn slow now it isn't even funny. I tell him every day to stop, and he says he will cause he knows it's effecting his brain. It never happens . I have no problem with the drug in moderation, but the problem is smoking it every day is NOT moderation!


I beg to differ. You see i've been smoking since i was in grade 7.....so i guess 5 years now. I don't consider myself slow at all, and my grades in school are pretty good. If i work really hard, i may even get a scholarship into university.

In my mind, yes, marijuana DOES slow you down and you do lose motivation, but if you're motivated enough, then its no problem. You can fight being burnt out, and to me, getting high is a natural part of my day. I'm not a stupid idiot, and i'm not slow.....I just have a REAL shitty short-term memory


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