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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 it shouldn't be going up at all and it never should have in the first place.

just like anything else, tuition has to rise with inflation. What they should do however is to tie its increases closely to the CPI index so that atleast they're not causing a socioeconomic gap in the processs..

My first 2 years of tuition are pretty much free, costing 470 euros for 2 yrs.

After that tho... 5200 euros per semester for the last 2 years!!! Just thinking of it makes me feel like crying
I'm going to spend my first 4 years of work paying back tuition... oh the joy.

I paid 3995.95 as a first installment. Will have to pay 6147 and change in total. My tuition went up by 258 dollars just from last year. I think that's pretty bad. They don't increase the amount that you are getting paid but they increase the amount that you have to pay.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r School is a business. Period. Try going to school in the States and then come back and bitch... The "Liberalization" of the system will just harbour those that have no specific purpose of being in school to begin with, which actually isn't a bad thing...

But I would never go to school in the USA...aside from their big schools, where tuition amounts to over $25,000 US dollars a year, our universities are actually better than their moderate ones. And our system actually WAS very Liberal in the 1960's, 70's and 80's. Just about anyone with decent marks could go at an affordable price. My high school teacher went to UWO in the late 80's and paid 300 dollars per course.

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Originally posted by Skipper I have no sympathy. In my last two years, I paid $15K and $16K respectively. At western. For an undergrad. Nevermind close to $2000 in books per year, and a mandatory (!!!) laptop. Did you know that because Ivey's tuition was deregulated, it was able to be increased to partially cover the costs of programs like yours, which have tuition caps? Maybe that will put things in perspective for ya.

You're getting way off here....You're getting an Ivey Business degree...and you'll probably end up with a very high paying job.

WHat I'm talking about is......the GOVERNMENT should be funding most of undergraduate fees for ANYONE who has good marks. The Tories have cut back and cut back (on everything else as well) over the last 8 years. It's getting to the point where working class families cannot afford over $5,000 dollars a year. OSAP is non-existent unless you live on your own or are on some government assistance program. University education in Canada SHOULD NOT EVER be for the richer classes. The USA is already like that...do we want to be like them?

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Originally posted by dEsidEL just like anything else, tuition has to rise with inflation. What they should do however is to tie its increases closely to the CPI index so that atleast they're not causing a socioeconomic gap in the processs..

See, no I completely disagree. The reason why tuition costs in Ontario specifically (go to B.C. and tuition is less than $3,000) is because the Ontario Conservative party has rolled back on education subsidies since their election win under Mike Harris in 1995. Tuition as a total fee for a basic science, arts or social science program in Ontario costs around $10,000 a year. The Ontario government now pays less than 50%. Tution as UWO in 1988 was $1500 a year....15 years later it is over $5200. That's what...a 300% increase? That's certainly NOT inflation.

I'm a little surprised how right wing some of you guys are on here (this doesn't apply to Desidel directly)...

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 You're getting way off here....You're getting an Ivey Business degree...and you'll probably end up with a very high paying job.

Actually, no. I just graduated and I'm not making much more than the average starting salary for grads from all programs.

This is where my frustration lies, partially....the image of the school seems to be justifying the ridiculous tuition in the eyes of those who don't know any better. Truth is, many many MANY companies didn't give a shit if I went to Ivey or Queens or York.

ya but thats the point, people really dont know any better, these universities are charging more because of their image, just like every other product out there


of course for unis there are a lot more reasons as well...but thats one that contributes to the rise

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 You're getting way off here....You're getting an Ivey Business degree...and you'll probably end up with a very high paying job. WHat I'm talking about is......the GOVERNMENT should be funding most of undergraduate fees for ANYONE who has good marks. The Tories have cut back and cut back (on everything else as well) over the last 8 years. It's getting to the point where working class families cannot afford over $5,000 dollars a year. OSAP is non-existent unless you live on your own or are on some government assistance program. University education in Canada SHOULD NOT EVER be for the richer classes. The USA is already like that...do we want to be like them?

Charity begets more charity.

Problem is, government was involved in a lot of things in the past and now we're all paying for that with the advent of the GST, and the fire sale of all their crown corporations.
Besides, why should my working dollar pay for someone else's schooling???

And don't get me started on OSAP...that's a dog that sticks to yea for YEARS after all is said and done.
It took my wife at least 7 years to pay that sucker off and that was even when *gasp* there were Government Grants...
She's been through several full time jobs but the government still wants their $$ back, whether you're working or not...

There is no such thing as good grades = good job anymore.
It's become more a mixture of experience (<-- real world), adaptability & people skills, with certifications or wall plaques for support.

Corporations don't care about people, they care about their bottom dollar.
I've been laid off from 3 full time jobs since I've been in the working force and I'm only 33.
It's a reality I have to accept.

In short:
1) Have a plan "B" if the plan "A" isn't doing so well.
2) Don't expect the government to give handouts.
3) If one can't afford school, get a job or start a business until you can afford to. People never appreciate free things anyways; post-education is no different...(you can literately pick out which students who paid their own way as apposed to those that didn't).

Again, I don't want to seem negative and I know I'm sounding that way, but I'm just telling it to you all straight from someone who's walked that mindfield and recently.

More Government is NOT an answer IMHO (it never is).

Oh, and by the way......I AM paying my own way....I'm not getting handouts from anyone. It just doesn't leave much room leftover for anything else..

Ever heard the term "investing in our future"?? Well, university students ARE the future....

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Oh, and by the way......I AM paying my own way....I'm not getting handouts from anyone. It just doesn't leave much room leftover for anything else.. Ever heard the term "investing in our future"?? Well, university students ARE the future....

So are business owners and babies? lol...

That's awesome that you are paying your own way; thumbs up!

Yea...I guess the world could always use more teachers...

lol university students are gonna come out and become corporation slaves...i dont mean to be negative abt it but its kinda true unless ur working for a profession like a doctor architect etc.


if uve ever gone out in the real world (i know this is gonna sound ignorant as fuck and im kicking myself in the ass as i say it) most of the most important people or most ppl who are owners of these huge corporations dont have an education past grade 10... its the way business is... im not saying dont go get an education hellz no i totally believe in it im actually workin to get back in but im just telling u something u all should know before u go out there and get a shocker...

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 See, no I completely disagree. The reason why tuition costs in Ontario specifically (go to B.C. and tuition is less than $3,000) is because the Ontario Conservative party has rolled back on education subsidies since their election win under Mike Harris in 1995. Tuition as a total fee for a basic science, arts or social science program in Ontario costs around $10,000 a year. The Ontario government now pays less than 50%. Tution as UWO in 1988 was $1500 a year....15 years later it is over $5200. That's what...a 300% increase? That's certainly NOT inflation. I'm a little surprised how right wing some of you guys are on here (this doesn't apply to Desidel directly)...

yeah but how could you expect a total tuition freeze, that's equally as crazy .. and about the right wing thing , hey i voted for the other guys!

(btw. check the same sex marriage thread to see how many lefties are on this board..)

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy lol university students are gonna come out and become corporation slaves...i dont mean to be negative abt it but its kinda true unless ur working for a profession like a doctor architect etc. if uve ever gone out in the real world (i know this is gonna sound ignorant as fuck and im kicking myself in the ass as i say it) most of the most important people or most ppl who are owners of these huge corporations dont have an education past grade 10... its the way business is... im not saying dont go get an education hellz no i totally believe in it im actually workin to get back in but im just telling u something u all should know before u go out there and get a shocker...

ROFLMAO
That's not fooling anyone

2499.50 ... and counting cuz thats just my first semester..

damn and they call me whiny

well no, all of u have very valid points and that 300% "inflation" kinda shocked me since i didn't know any of that stuff.

for me, i ask dad... dad wires money, i go pay. Think of it as an investment. Rather than putting the money in the bank, u put the money in me. What i do with the money is learn and after i learn and graduate, i can get a job and apply the knowledge and start a new cycle! i work, i save, i send my kids to school, they graduate, send their children and so on and so forth.

In my point of view, i see it as a system that seems to work specially knowing that i'll graduate in 4 years and i have an excellent chance of landing a 45k+ job on my first year. Either way, i don't let tuition fees bother me or get in the way or worry. Yes, it's a lot, yes, we go broke and make our parents broke as well but... c'est la vie.

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Originally posted by Skipper Actually, no. I just graduated and I'm not making much more than the average starting salary for grads from all programs. This is where my frustration lies, partially....the image of the school seems to be justifying the ridiculous tuition in the eyes of those who don't know any better. Truth is, many many MANY companies didn't give a shit if I went to Ivey or Queens or York.

Well, it's not just the image of the school.. I'm sure the profs that are teaching at Yvey are charging a lot more than professors at other schools. You probably have top notch businessmen teaching there. Why should they charge you little??


Btw, tuition for computer science students has grown over 30% over the past 3 years.. When I started my per-term tuition used to be $2,900. Now I'm paying $4,000 per term.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Oh, and by the way......I AM paying my own way....I'm not getting handouts from anyone. It just doesn't leave much room leftover for anything else..

BTW, paying your own tuition isn't very smart( no offence here). If you can get an OSAP, you should do it. Think about it this way - right now to earn say 1000$ it will take you(assuming you earn 10$/hour) 100 hours.. When you graduate it will take you (assuming you earn 25$/hour) 40 hours.

So what would you prefer ?? working 100 hours now, pay for tution and be poor rest of the term, or borrow money, have 1000$ in your pocket(from 100 hours you've worked), and then pay your tuition upon graduation after only working 40 hours..

Think about it...

PS, of course if you cannot get OSAP, then this whole argument is useless.

US 17,505.43.....how do you like them apples!! That what studying at Purdue U will cost you. Its all good, i didn't pay any of it though.....

Yeah, I can't complain much. Its a little under $5000 this year. I get a $3000 bursary anyways...

I know people in the states who come here, because its cheaper.

I guess people just like to complain about everything... so I'll complain about how apartments close to campus are so expensive!!! hehe, I just moved into my new bachelor... too embarassed to say how much I pay for it. :P

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Originally posted by quddha I know people in the states who come here, because its cheaper.

Tell me about it man. if i could i would transfer to U of T in a sec. There is absolutely nothing happening in the midwest except Chicago and detroit. I might go see Tall Paul in a couple weeks in Detroit and i heard Misstress Babbara is playing there sometime this semester...

Tution - $5,482.51
Fluid Mechanic's Text Book + Lab Manual- $173.59
Elementary Surveying: Intro to Geomatics Text Book - $121.67
Mechanics of Materials Text Book + Lab Manual - $ 153.78
Electrical COncepts and Applications Text Book - $162.86
Geotechnical Properties Text Book - $114.76
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Forgetting Everything 2 Weeks after Exams - Priceless

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Originally posted by USMC_Greg ROFLMAO That's not fooling anyone

i know...but u know what it is true...trust me every million aire iknow are uneducated...i dont know why either i guess they must have gotten lucky in life....but yeah DOWN WITH SCHOOL

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Originally posted by Durafei BTW, paying your own tuition isn't very smart( no offence here). If you can get an OSAP, you should do it. Think about it this way - right now to earn say 1000$ it will take you(assuming you earn 10$/hour) 100 hours.. When you graduate it will take you (assuming you earn 25$/hour) 40 hours. So what would you prefer ?? working 100 hours now, pay for tution and be poor rest of the term, or borrow money, have 1000$ in your pocket(from 100 hours you've worked), and then pay your tuition upon graduation after only working 40 hours.. Think about it... PS, of course if you cannot get OSAP, then this whole argument is useless.

or u could get OSAP money and invest all of it ..

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Originally posted by Durafei BTW, paying your own tuition isn't very smart( no offence here). If you can get an OSAP, you should do it. Think about it this way - right now to earn say 1000$ it will take you(assuming you earn 10$/hour) 100 hours.. When you graduate it will take you (assuming you earn 25$/hour) 40 hours. So what would you prefer ?? working 100 hours now, pay for tution and be poor rest of the term, or borrow money, have 1000$ in your pocket(from 100 hours you've worked), and then pay your tuition upon graduation after only working 40 hours.. Think about it...

Finally someone that shares the same view as me... working to pay off your school at $10/hr now is useless and waste of time. Anyone who doesn't think so is an idiot!

Of course, if you can land a $20-25/hr job right now and pay for school that way, that's completely different... then again, if I had a $25/hr job right now, I wouldn't even think about wasting time on school - save money, invest it in mutual funds, watch my money double every 6 yrs or so...

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