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Originally posted by torontotrance He is even worse living in france. A country where more general strikes happen and a country with no military victories....

Um, like Galapidate said, without French military and financial assitance in the 1770s and 80s, the US would still be an English colony. So when you talk about having "no military victories" (whatever the relevance of that is) you're conveniently forgetting the most important one in US history:

http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/sfelsh...nge/frhist.html

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Originally posted by Galapidate America wouldn't even be a country today without France's help.

and france wouldn't be a country without America's help... cough cough ww2.

anyways... What a great way to thank the country that made him what he is today... Depp's comment proves that he should stick to acting and should shut his mouth when it comes to politics.

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Originally posted by rainbow_marble and france wouldn't be a country without America's help... cough cough ww2.

The importance of the US military in WW2 is greatly exaggerated. France were pretty useless though

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Originally posted by rainbow_marble and france wouldn't be a country without America's help... cough cough ww2.

If America was still a colony during WW2, history would've been completely different.

Whenever I'm formulating my opinions on important political issues I always wonder, "What does Johnny Depp think about this?"

I don't know what the big deal is ... Depp has all that free speech whatever to say what he wants, we all have the right to not see his films if we disagree and want to hold it against him. So, as I stated in my earlier post:

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Who cares?

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Originally posted by joeh152 The importance of the US military in WW2 is greatly exaggerated.

Btw ... I would disagree with that statement, not in this forum however

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Originally posted by Galapidate If America was still a colony during WW2, history would've been completely different.

And in all liklihood we probably would have gained independance much like Canada did ... who knows it might have been a US+Canada state.

by the way...Johnny Depp hates Holleywood and everything that fame stands for. This is why he is in France. The funny thing is...the more that he hates and bashes it, the more people love him. Then Hollywood goes and begs at his door for him to be in their movies. Then at the end of the day I'm sure he goes home and thinks to himself...
"HAHAHA, suckers!".
Then he goes to all of the interviews and trash talks the US and their people because he can and will still get really, really good movie contracts. Come on, he will never get shut out. Firstly, he is more than gorgeous. Secondly, the man is a brilliant actor. And last but not least, he is not some weak pushover puppet that would sell his soul for fame and cash to Americain culture which makes him noble and respectable. Besides, he has enough money to never need Holleywood ever again.

Boo! to all of you Johnny Depp haters!

So Johnny Depp spoke his mind. He isn't running for political office, so what does it matter?

The ever-wise occrider put it best:

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Originally posted by occrider Who cares?

MrS

viva depp!

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Originally posted by occrider Btw ... I would disagree with that statement, not in this forum however

j00 agressive puppy! :P

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Originally posted by joeh152 j00 agressive puppy! :P

Sorry ... I can't read over my big teeth

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Originally posted by occrider I don't know if you can claim more than any other country but he certainly had his fair share. Except he was corsican not French!

bonaparte didn't win those wars, the french did under his leadership.

stalin wasn't russian either - he was georgian, and the georgians sure as hell didn't win operation barbarossa or anything else on the russian front.

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Originally posted by Galapidate If America was still a colony during WW2, history would've been completely different.

actually, america's contribution to the war, although definitely significant, wasn't as vital as most people make it out to be. read up enough and you'll come to two realizations - the most important battle in ww2 was in volgograd where there was no american troop in sight.

the second being that the single most important set of operations was not performed by the americans at all. bletchley park (along with great help from the polish intelligence bureau, which sent f.w. winterbotham's division the enigma machines which got them started) was responsible for cracking and the statistical nuiances of breaking the naval enigma cipher used by the germans for daily transmissions. alan turing wasn't singlehandedly responsible for the act, but he certainly was the man that made it happen.

you can talk about normandy and juno beach all you want, but to tell you the truth, if it wasn't for operation bodyguard (established and carried by bletchley park), the entire 3rd (i think) army would have been there instead of in pas-de-calais, and it would've all been lost.

edit @ 9:30 EST all this talk about war is a bit of a toil. it's not a pleasant subject for me. let's not fight. i love you guys

the french

One major contribution from the French: the Statue of Liberty.

Depp sure has strong words for a country where he earned millions. Depp is just shooting his mouth off. He still owns his nightclub in L.A. and obviously, still makes American movies. Don't be fooled. Depp loves this country.

And by the way, the French fucking suck. What a bunch of pussies.

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Originally posted by Abject Silver bonaparte didn't win those wars, the french did under his leadership. stalin wasn't russian either - he was georgian, and the georgians sure as hell didn't win operation barbarossa or anything else on the russian front.

Operation Barbarossa was not a battle, it was the codename for the Nazi invasion of Russia.


MrS

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel Operation Barbarossa was not a battle, it was the codename for the Nazi invasion of Russia. MrS

yes, i know. i didn't say otherwise, did i? *looks*

heh.

I hate how people always assume someone is unpatriotic because they say something bad about America. Or the whole, "if you don't like it then leave" nonsense. I applaud Depp for speaking out. No one else seems to have the balls to do so (Democrats), and the middle class will turn their cheeks to whatever Bush wants to do as long as they're $60,000/yr. is still coming in.

This country sickens me in many ways, but rather than leave, I'd rather people spoke their mind and helped fix it, rather than trying to dust problems under the rug.

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Originally posted by Aidonis I hate how people always assume someone is unpatriotic because they say something bad about America. Or the whole, "if you don't like it then leave" nonsense. I applaud Depp for speaking out. No one else seems to have the balls to do so (Democrats), and the middle class will turn their cheeks to whatever Bush wants to do as long as they're $60,000/yr. is still coming in. This country sickens me in many ways, but rather than leave, I'd rather people spoke their mind and helped fix it, rather than trying to dust problems under the rug.

werd.

or instead of complaining about patriotism they start bashing france

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Originally posted by Abject Silver actually, america's contribution to the war, although definitely significant, wasn't as vital as most people make it out to be. read up enough and you'll come to two realizations - the most important battle in ww2 was in volgograd where there was no american troop in sight. the second being that the single most important set of operations was not performed by the americans at all. bletchley park (along with great help from the polish intelligence bureau, which sent f.w. winterbotham's division the enigma machines which got them started) was responsible for cracking and the statistical nuiances of breaking the naval enigma cipher used by the germans for daily transmissions. alan turing wasn't singlehandedly responsible for the act, but he certainly was the man that made it happen. you can talk about normandy and juno beach all you want, but to tell you the truth, if it wasn't for operation bodyguard (established and carried by bletchley park), the entire 3rd (i think) army would have been there instead of in pas-de-calais, and it would've all been lost. edit @ 9:30 EST all this talk about war is a bit of a toil. it's not a pleasant subject for me. let's not fight. i love you guys

Volgograd didn't even exist in 1942/43 ... you mean Stalingrad . Stalingrad was indeed one of the major turning points in the war, possibly even a theatre turning point, however, it was by no means a turning point for the entire war alone. Here is what I consider to be the primary tactical turning points of the Western Theatre of Operations Europe:

The Battle of Britain: It's loss would have enabled the Luftwaffe to provide massive tactical air support for German ground forces in Operation Sea Lion. The fall of Great Britain would have 'closed' the western front and forestalled any kind of invasion of Europe with the possible exception of a staging area out of North Africa. A corrollary to this effect is that the western front remained active and as such, precious German resources were directed to maintain the Atlantic wall. German factories also began to go underground as allied bombing campaigns intensified. When you take into account the fact that Army Group Center got within the suburbs of Moscow then that diversion of forces was pretty significant. This resulted in the committment of resources to Army Group South which as we all know led to the battle of Stalingrad. Anyway, I digress.

The battle of the Atlantic: You cannot dispute that the longest campaign of the war was not one of the most significant. Considering that half of Britain's food supplies and 2/3 of its raw materials were imported from overseas, Britain came perilously close to capitulation should the wolfpacks have succeeded in blockading Britain. As Churchill stated, the only thing he feared was the battle of the atlantic. Britain's starvation would have likely resulted in the same consequences as the ones I've outlined above.

Battle of Stalingrad, Kurks, and Moscow: Obvious reasons ... any study of WW2 should know this.

Normandy: The opening of the second front ... of which for reasons outlined above reduced the manpower of the eastern front significantly as forces were diverted west. (Yea I'm getting lazy in going into complete detail, lemme know if you want me to)

El Alamein: Not so much a turning point of the entire western theatre, however, it was the first turning point in the ground campaign against Germany. Failure to capture N. Africa would have prevented the opening of the forgotten third front in Italy. Additionally, allied bombing campaigns would have been out of range of the Romanian oil fields which would have likely influenced Hitler's decision to make Army Group South's drive towards the Caucuses so critical.

Actually, most of the tactical turning points in the war were accomplished by Russia. The Americans/Brits/Can did have some decisive military victories (and disasters ... i hate monty) but they only hastened or prolonged the outcome of the war. The majority of the American tactical turning points primarily occurred in the Asia/Pacific Theatre of Operations. But in the end all these events are inexorably linked so you cannot quite separate them and state that that one incident alone achieved victory.

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Originally posted by Abject Silver stalin wasn't russian either - he was georgian, and the georgians sure as hell didn't win operation barbarossa or anything else on the russian front.

Stalin didn't either

The only thing Stalin managed to do right were his 5 year plans and possibly his decision to transplant and build the major tank factories in the urals. True credit for Russian victory goes to the likes of Zhukov or Chuikov. The Red Army had great generals after they weeded through all the political appointees in 1940.

Wasnt the pacific Conflict part of ww2 aswell?....

i dont love the french or france, ...its just another place and another people. but its pre-pubescent morons like "autopilot" that make me reaaaally dislike the U.S. some of you might argue that he's just one individual..but i see it all around! all this fucking bigetry (sp=?) and supercilious people defending their country to the last man, its so sickening it makes me want to puke. what the hell is going on.

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Originally posted by fr0st Wasnt the pacific Conflict part of ww2 aswell?....

Yea but asides from the few minor battles for their colonial holdings Europe didn't really care about what happened in the Pacific ... it's not their war . I'm sure much of what happened in the pacific theatre of operations was only taught to australians and americans. Course I'm speaking out of my ass but that's the feeling i get when I talk to people about WW2.

Stalin was also highly effcient at butchering his own people.

All this war talk is kinda depressing; the Middle East right now looks to me like the Yugoslavia of the 1930's.

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