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This could be a good situation. If they follow through with their suit, the media will likely have a field day about how the RIAA bankrupted a single mom and her 12 year old honor student. If they DONT go through with it, everyone else will say "so what so special about her then? Why should my suit apply either?"

Actually, what I think would be best is if they follow through and her mom fights it to death in the courts. Who do you think a jury will side with, a multi million (billion?) dollar industry after thousands of dollars from a single mom, or the mom and her honor roll student? Lets not forget that the RIAA convinently circumvents ALL legal process in its subpoenas. All it would take is ONE person to fight, and win. The rest of the dominos would fall too.

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Originally posted by DaveT One thing that's also never really mentioned. Music sales were going UP as Napster became popular....and started going down once it got shut down. Dave

i was just going to mention that.

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I think the only way artists will make money in the future is by live shows, and the music be for free

BUT!! That would mean that great artists like Brittany Spears, P.Diddy and Blink 182 wouldn't be able to buy a new car every week because they would be making a lot less money!! (and dude, that is such a good idea it's not even funny. Stars are making way too much money nowadays...same goes for sports-stars)

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Originally posted by digitaldreams Everyone should stop buying albums from the BIG 5. Boycott for say, 2 weeks much less a month, and we would see how down on their knees they (the corporations involved) would be. The record industry in America should adapt imo. I think the only way artists will make money in the future is by live shows, and the music be for free . And if the artist is good, his or her show will sell. Just my 2cp.

Seriously- How hard is it for everyone in the US to stop buying cd's for 1-2 months- They wanna fuck with people - let the people fuck back. Oh no! You cant get the new j-lo coming out! give me a fucking break.

The only people who buy CD's these days are people with no computers.

We should spread the word and set like Anti RIAA month or something and not buy any CD's for November/December (Yes- NO CHRISTMAS CD'S JOHNNY!)
how much would that be in their ass.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Seriously- How hard is it for everyone in the US to stop buying cd's for 1-2 months- They wanna fuck with people - let the people fuck back. Oh no! You cant get the new j-lo coming out! give me a fucking break. The only people who buy CD's these days are people with no computers. We should spread the word and set like Anti RIAA month or something and not buy any CD's for November/December (Yes- NO CHRISTMAS CD'S JOHNNY!) how much would that be in their ass.

Word. How they like them apples?

Let's do something like this.

-Wait I forgot, I don't buy crap CDs in the first place from those big labels.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Word. How they like them apples? Let's do something like this. -Wait I forgot, I don't buy crap CDs in the first place from those big labels.

Seriously- I think I've bought maybe software and cd's a total i can count on one hand-

I would rather have an original- its not 192k sound quality is better- they cost the RIAA like less than $1 to make- lets do some math here on who really is getting paid what- Standard price on a cd now is what? I Dont even know- I havnt been in stores lately- Last time I checked like $16 for a single cd? That's fucking rediculous.
I bet their actual sales profits would double if they dropped that down to like $8

Who's going to organize this shit- need some volunteers :P

ta's vs riaa ahhhhh! Someone starting a site that called for a national boycott of the 5 labels involved would be kind of cool. The fans unite against their favorite artists...haha

this hole story is such a fucking joke.. ill continue to download music all i want, and if those pieces of shit come to my door, ill stab the motherfukers.

They paid for KaZaa!?! Haha, what n00bs!

*goes back to using the free KaZaa Lite*

Well- if someone wants to reg a domain name for boycottriaa.com or something lets do it
im sure we could spread out from TA
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get some news coverage

Someone already volunteer'd site design time.

i have only one thing to say on the subject:



DIE, RIAA ******S, DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by whiskers i have only one thing to say on the subject: DIE, RIAA ******S, DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and also:





DIE, CENSORSHIP, RIAA IS STILL A BUNCH OF FUCK3RS

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Originally posted by DJ Tyler this hole story is such a fucking joke.. ill continue to download music all i want, and if those pieces of shit come to my door, ill stab the motherfukers.

haha nice. im with this guy, im not afraid of them im gonna keep downloading music. i mean hey, downloading is how i decide what vinyl im going to buy next since i usually order off the internet. (i suppose vinyl is different than cd... but you get the picture)

Also, I just wanted to add: The press is going to love the news of this 12y/o girl getting sued. She's gonna be on all the late night shows & early morning shows you can think of. This will just add fuel to the fire against the RIAA...they're absolutely retarded!

OH hell no-

I just watched on the news how the RIAA is showing "concern" for in addition to their music being stolen a child might be searching for a britney spears song and acidentally download a britney spears porno or something.

Thats SOOOOOOOOOOOO fucking it.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx britney spears porno or something.

Britney Spears did a porno? Someone wanna hook me up? This is news to me!

i remember that there is a petition somewhere for people to sign to prevent the evil riaa actions.

someone said "$3k PER SONG is still alot" when they said $3k it wasnt per song it was for the whole thing im pretty sure. it would be ridiculous to fine people that much money cuz they would never get it

The record sales figures are actually on par with what they were in 1999. There was a record amount of revenue in 2000 and it has dropped off from there. (saw a chart inthe paper today)

So the way I see it, the downturn in the economy has caused their revenues to shrink and instead of balming it on the poor economy like every other company they blame it on filesharing.

I have BOUGHT more cd's after downloading songs than I did before I used Napster. Simple truth.

MrS

** UPDATE **: They settled for $2000. The girl publically announced "I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love." I withdraw my previous post of how the mother should fight it (I RTFA'ed and theyre living in fucking public housing), I figured this was a middle class suburban family who might have the means and time to do something about it. Hell, they probably could have gotten away with it dispite their situation, but if I were the mom I wouldn't risk my kids future (even more) by potentially losing. $2000 out of the pocket of a single mom with 2 pre-teen kids is fucking pathetic.

And I bet the whole heartfelt apology from the little girl was all in the terms of the settlement, and that the RIAA "graciously" lowered the amount in exchange for the public apology. Good PR for them... poor little mislead honor student is educated in the error of her ways (for the small one time fee of $2000) and is now seeing the light. Pfft. Im gonna go fire up DC++ just for her....

Hurry up and die already, RIAA.

hmm.. this is a big controversial topic.. even heard people talking on the radio about it this morning

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Originally posted by nrjizer ** UPDATE **: They settled for $2000. The girl publically announced "I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love." I withdraw my previous post of how the mother should fight it (I RTFA'ed and theyre living in fucking public housing), I figured this was a middle class suburban family who might have the means and time to do something about it. Hell, they probably could have gotten away with it dispite their situation, but if I were the mom I wouldn't risk my kids future (even more) by potentially losing. $2000 out of the pocket of a single mom with 2 pre-teen kids is fucking pathetic. And I bet the whole heartfelt apology from the little girl was all in the terms of the settlement, and that the RIAA "graciously" lowered the amount in exchange for the public apology. Good PR for them... poor little mislead honor student is educated in the error of her ways (for the small one time fee of $2000) and is now seeing the light. Pfft. Im gonna go fire up DC++ just for her.... Hurry up and die already, RIAA.

Pathtic man.

And to follow up... these f***in bastards made her pay! They settled for $2k.

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source: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...ic_11&printer=1 Girl, 12, Settles Piracy Suit for $2,000 Tue Sep 9, 7:19 PM ET By TED BRIDIS, AP Technology Writer WASHINGTON - A 12-year-old girl in New York who was among the first to be sued by the record industry for sharing music over the Internet is off the hook after her mother agreed Tuesday to pay $2,000 to settle the lawsuit, apologizing and admitting that her daughter's actions violated U.S. copyright laws. The hurried settlement involving Brianna LaHara, an honors student, was the first announced one day after the Recording Industry Association of America (news - web sites) filed 261 such lawsuits across the country. Lawyers for the RIAA said Brianna's mother, Sylvia Torres, contacted them early Tuesday to negotiate. "We understand now that file-sharing the music was illegal," Torres said in a statement distributed by the recording industry. "You can be sure Brianna won't be doing it anymore." Brianna added: "I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love." The case against Brianna was a potential minefield for the music industry from a public relations standpoint. The family lives in a city housing project on New York's Upper West Side, and they said they mistakenly believed they were entitled to download music over the Internet because they had paid $29.99 for software that gives them access to online file-sharing services. Even in the hours before the settlement was announced, Brianna was emerging as an example of what critics said was overzealous enforcement by the powerful music industry. The top lawyer for Verizon Communications Inc. charged earlier Tuesday during a Senate hearing that music lawyers had resorted to a "campaign against 12-year-old girls" rather than trying to help consumers turn to legal sources for songs online. Verizon's Internet subsidiary is engaged in a protracted legal fight against the RIAA over copyright subpoenas sent Verizon customers. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., also alluded to Brianna's case. "Are you headed to junior high schools to round up the usual suspects?" Durbin asked RIAA President Cary Sherman during a Senate Judiciary hearing. Durbin said he appreciated the piracy threat to the recording industry, but added, "I think you have a tough public relations campaign to go after the offenders without appearing heavy-handed in the process." Sherman responded that most people don't shoplift because they fear they'll be arrested. "We're trying to let people know they may get caught, therefore they should not engage in this behavior," Sherman said. "Yes, there are going to be some kids caught in this, but you'd be surprised at how many adults are engaged in this activity."

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Seriously- I think I've bought maybe software and cd's a total i can count on one hand- I would rather have an original- its not 192k sound quality is better- they cost the RIAA like less than $1 to make- lets do some math here on who really is getting paid what- Standard price on a cd now is what? I Dont even know- I havnt been in stores lately- Last time I checked like $16 for a single cd? That's fucking rediculous. I bet their actual sales profits would double if they dropped that down to like $8 Who's going to organize this shit- need some volunteers :P

0.85-0.9 USD for every 10 minutes sounds reasonable for me. Think about it: Right now, you can end up paying over 15-20 USD for a 45 minute album that you only wanted to hear what, 3-8 minutes of? The artist only gets maybe 0.01 USD from a single CD's sale. No wonder CD sales have declined when Napster was shut down: Users had nowhere to go to find out what they wanted to sample to buy. If you don't know what to buy, you most likely wouldn't be playing a guessing game with what you think may sound good. That sounds dumb. I always like to hear something before I put my money into it. Since 1999, I've bought over 70 CDs that I LOVE-- completely. It's rather rare to find a CD where you like every single track but, with MP3, it's a whole lot easier to find out what's worth buying and what isn't. It's pathetic that the 12-year-old girl is getting pressured by the RIAA. The big problems with these big music/movie/software companies like RIAA, MPAA, IDSA(?) and whoever's with them is that they've made their money already but they're GREEDY! They want MORE AND MORE! They don't care about the quality of music, just the quantity of money they get.

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Originally posted by torontotrance actually there was a audit done by some guy and he pointed out the following issues the RIAA can't find answers for Yes sales are down..but compared with what The Big 5 have been releasing less music titles than before...hence selling less...I'm sure the goofballs at the RIAA read boards like this. YOU RELEASE LESS = LESS SALES Also they have been so busy paying lawyers and other ppl to sue the asses off ppl....they have forgot to adequately promote and market their artists effectively. Let's face it, if the music is good, more people are going to buy cd's...you keep putting out crap...no one buys it. Personally I love to buy cd's and my cd library is quite big but the RIAA's tactics are beginning to piss me off. What a way to piss off your buyers Also they paid fines (the big 5) about cd price fixing and lord knows how much money they made during that time. Now cd sales are down and they completely blame mp3's...but the market conditions are very different from a few years ago. I just laugh at this because if it was not for MP3's....then I would not be addicted to trance and electronic music and general and would have not bought the amount of cd's and gone to see the amount of artists that I did. I've spent a few thousand over the last 4-5 yrs on this...so I think mp3's are great because how many ppl did not know about trance and got mp3's from europe and sets and to hear deejays who now play here all the time and basically owe their existance to mp3's. One last thing to leave with....do you realize that in early 1997..the Big 5 music companies had a meeting where new technology was discussed and mp3's were brought up and they could have jumped on the bandwagon and made a FORTUNE!...beyond our thinking....but they passed and now are trying to play catch up to an form of technology that has left them in the dust and gasping for air. Also they suffered from what most big companies suffer from (mainly the big 3 auto makers)....they did not want to change and did not give the public what it wanted and got destroyed....blame mp3's..i still think they have helped...and for all the RIAA goofballs that are reading the boards trying to gauge public reaction and formulate strategy...1)KISS MY ASS 2)You got left in the dust 3)adapt.

Very well said,

The first day I found out about Napster I started to download more and more, also I started to spend more on CD's, I used it to check out the stuff that I like, before I'd bearly buy a cd, but afterwards I think I spend more then 300 $ in 6 months after, and sales all over increased.

But sueing a 12 year old girl is ridiculus

PS I don't buy cd anymore, this greed for $ $ and not quality makes me sick, I only buy vinyls now lol

I enjoy buying cd's....the sound quality and the artwork is great.

Only Album i ever recall burning was ulrich schnauss's far away trains passing by....till I tracked down that SOB on import...then threw away the burned album. I was tempted to burn his new album but I'll wait till I get more cash then buy the second album on import.

The RIAA is evil and they just want to gain more money, it's all about greed...they can't use decent marketing strategies. As I stated earlier...they missed the mp3 boat...and they are now using heavy handed tactics that cost them a fortune and I don't see mp3 downloading stopping. I mean I have a problem with the mp3 kiddies who a)never buy cd's b)never go to clubs (only for the ones who legally can) c)act like they know. I say support the damn scene..mp3's are great...but get the albums ffs..ppl spend a lot of time and money putting them together. You don't have to buy everything but paying for a cd....yes it puts money in the EVIL RIAA's pockets but it also gives money to the artist and that's who is forgotten in this mess. RIAA vs. CUSTOMER.....who is left out...artists

btw....while we are on the thing...i wish to rail against some artists anyway

metallica...angry at mp3 downloaders....but they seem to forget that in 1984...they did cover versions of songs WITHOUT PERMISSION and released the album....go sued....what changed from then till napster..they got rich...but no one seems to remember this...please people remember this

dr.dre - recently had to fork out 1.5 million bucks in a lawsuit because he stole a sample without permission....and he hates downloads...then again...he never plays by the rules....he got sued by george lucas cuz he hijacked the THX theme in that same album. Good one dr.dre...rally against mp3 downloading and want ppl to play by the rules...but you cannot do that yourself....fucking idiot.

So I say support the artists who play by the rules....not the idiots I mentioned above. Also buying old cd's that you never got a chance to acquire is great.i just bought a used copy of gu007...great stuff.

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