Hey Wicked Neo - here's a clue about the RIAA for you...

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Posted by jon on Sep-11-2003 16:02:

Re: Hey Wicked Neo - here's a clue about the RIAA for you...

Also the fact that tranceaddict.com does not support filesharing on its forums, and posts about filesharing will be closed/deleted as appropriate

Posted by doof doofer on Sep-11-2003 16:11:

Re: Re: Hey Wicked Neo - here's a clue about the RIAA for you...

quote:
Originally posted by jonsimmonds
Also the fact that tranceaddict.com does not support filesharing on its forums, and posts about filesharing will be closed/deleted as appropriate

Well I didn't start this topic nor have any of my posts supported/encouraged filesharing in any way. In fact I would infer the opposite.
I'm all for closing/deleting this topic but whilst it is open I think readers have a right to know what the facts are.

Posted by joeh on Sep-11-2003 16:14:

Re: Re: Re: Hey Wicked Neo - here's a clue about the RIAA for you...

quote:
Originally posted by doof doofer
Well I didn't start this topic nor have any of my posts supported/encouraged filesharing in any way. In fact I would infer the opposite.
I'm all for closing/deleting this topic but whilst it is open I think readers have a right to know what the facts are.

im pretty sure they are talking about jrock, not you

Posted by jon on Sep-11-2003 16:17:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey Wicked Neo - here's a clue about the RIAA for you...

quote:
Originally posted by joeh152
im pretty sure they are talking about jrock, not you

aye, i think that to

Posted by doof doofer on Sep-11-2003 16:26:

clearly I got to stop posting in this topic. it's doin my head in.
im out.

Posted by Luke Terry on Sep-11-2003 16:37:

jrock take a slap u moron

+ i aint seen so many mods post in a thread in ages lol

Posted by E-vangelist on Sep-11-2003 16:43:

well this topic certainly dosen't encourage filesharing so it might not get closed... appears to me that the author (idiot) got jumped all over by people who know better.

Of course it's illegal to record or share mixes OR singles... most of the livesets that are traded around are recorded from a radio station somewhere and that right there makes it an illegal recording.

and people that burn and SELL recorded mixes should have the book thrown at them... it's assholes like them that make DJs reluctant to send recordings to, say, online radio stations I've gotten asked about it EVERY time I've contacted a DJ about getting mixes.

Posted by mizzuno on Sep-11-2003 16:47:

I see my wisdom is required. First off one must realize that copyright law is not as simplistic as you make it seem. With that in mind one must also see that interpretation of copyright law is different in different parts of the world. To fully understand copyright law in the US (per the RIAA) you have to look at the landmark case which took place in the early 80's (or was it the late 70's, somebody correct me if i'm wrong). This case involved copying movies with a VHS. The ruling ended up being a compromise between outright "stealing" and the ability to make back up copies. This term is loosely used as "fair use". Fair use states that an individual is allowed to make copies of works that have been paid for. It also states that one can lend that to a friend within limits of course(not your 500 friend at school), it is also permissible to tape radio broadcasts as long as you do not intend on rebroadcasting. It is in the term fair use that copyright laws get very convoluted.

As far as neo is concerned...no comment LOL. If he deems that it not legal then...on this board its not,this is not a democracy...its a er...kindalike a fiefdom . Anyway, the bottom line is I don't think anyone here has the wherewithalll to comment on copyright law or its interpretations without first getting some history behind it..

MizzzzUNO

Posted by jon on Sep-11-2003 16:56:

quote:
Originally posted by E-vangelist
well this topic certainly dosen't encourage filesharing so it might not get closed... appears to me that the author (idiot) got jumped all over by people who know better.

neo closed to earlier topics, Jrock doesnt understand what a pm button is for.

Posted by arj1o1 on Sep-11-2003 17:52:

hhmmz read some article that livesets werent illegal but i could be wrong or it could only be for the netherlands

Posted by torontotrance on Sep-11-2003 18:25:

lol..i hope he got the clue...tho I doubt that.

Posted by JRock on Sep-11-2003 23:33:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveSaenz
This is on the back of a European vinyl cover:

"Unauthorised copying, hiring, lending, public perfomance of this record prohibited."

Live performances hellooooooooooooooooooooooo not things on CD or vinyl.
Keep talking about things that are copyrighted, etc, all you want. That's nothing to do with what I was originally discussing until Neo decided to confuse my discussion of livesets with filesharing and copyrights and brought it up, but that's cool. Enjoy repeating yourselves.

And for the last time, I have no problem with the mods, the rules of the forum, or the idea of keeping this place separate from filesharing, so take it out on someone who's actually breaking those rules.

Nice try putting all that rubbish on me though.

It's a good thing I'm a nice guy who is patient with those who misunderstand something I wrote, otherwise I might be scared off or pissed off about how incredibly off-the-wall some of the responses in this thread are.

I love it when people notice a couple key words in my post, assume they know what I'm trying to say, and go off on a tear about copyrights and filesharing, etc, without even realizing I'm not disagreeing with them nor am I even talking about that.

Peace and goodnight.

Posted by Frase on Sep-11-2003 23:43:

Have to agree with the majority here, livesets still fall under copyright

What do you think livesets comprise of?

Ochestra A playing As the rush comes in b minor with Ochestra B mixing in their live version of Darren Tate vs Jono Grant - Nocturnal Creatures?

Obviously sarcasm there - But livesets are comprised of vinyls and cd's so the copyright is still in place no matter what you preach

Also the fact, nightclubs have to fork out a hefty amount for a licence to play music out as a public performance shows that it aint exempt from copyrighting laws

As for people going off on one? Well like many have said, a PM would have been sufficent. Noticing key words in the post, people read what you have posted and form a discussion there, if you didnt want other factors of this sensitive topic to go off, why put in the key words?

Posted by torontotrance on Sep-12-2003 02:04:

he shows...he is not brillant.

Posted by Aidonis on Sep-12-2003 06:03:

Lot of people talking out their butts in this thread. Research copyright law imo, then look up how it's been and is being enforced. There's a bit of a stark difference (in the US at least). Lot's of things are illegal in this country that I and you people do anyway, so I don't know why you're all so eager to throw Jrock to the wolves.

As far as not being able to find much on file sharing via this forum, appearently the "search" button eludes a few...

Posted by Ste on Sep-12-2003 08:14:

quote:
Originally posted by joeh152
Explain to me your logic.

It is illegal to share singles.

So, how woud it become legal for you take 5 singles and use them in a mix, and then share that mix?

People openly talking about illegal file sharing is threatening TA's future. There's no need to mention it, unless of course you want TA closed, and ill assume you do .

because the music is mixed thus not in its original form i think it is not applicable to copyright laws because the song would be different if you cut it out from the mix. thus eveerytime you mix two tunes you make a different song a bit like a bootleg, you still cant sell them obviously tho.

Posted by tu_face on Sep-12-2003 08:31:

quote:
Originally posted by JRock
Live performances hellooooooooooooooooooooooo not things on CD or vinyl.
Keep talking about things that are copyrighted, etc, all you want. That's nothing to do with what I was originally discussing until Neo decided to confuse my discussion of livesets with filesharing and copyrights and brought it up, but that's cool. Enjoy repeating yourselves.

do you think the DJ's whistle the tunes..?

filesharing has everything to do with copyright. thats why its illegal to fileshare.

livesets are in essence illegal but as far as the law goes it is not quite so stringent regarding them, as many artists (note: not the DJs, what the DJ thinks doesnt really matter when he is playing other peoples music) do regard them as very good promotion. but at the end of the day, its still filesharing and its still not allowed on trancEaddict.

as this thread is a completely pointless waste of neo's time if he were to come and read it, ill close it now.

get a clue.

Posted by DJ Sarah H on Sep-12-2003 13:03:

I think the Mods here have basicly told you all what I would have said so good work all

The laws regarding copyright are very complicated, some rules you can bend, some can be broken without fear of being brought up in some court etc but the point is that the RIAA and other bodies for different countries will always use examples like that to proove the case to stop all types of filesharing.
We all know it happens and the majority of us participate in filesharing but Swamper and the Mods of TA have decided that filesharing is not to be encouraged on the forums here so threads of that nature will be closed / deleted as seen fit by the mods of TA.

Posted by arturob on Sep-12-2003 13:15:

then why share tracks/livesets in the main page? doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by tu_face on Sep-12-2003 20:34:

because its not illegal

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