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Originally posted by baseforce I don�t have to convince you I�m right, but I�m a soft- hard- ware developer with Masterdegree exam... Have been studing how OS:es work and how page-mechanism works in the IA-32 family... Have also built an own OS (for learning purposes during studies) that handled more than 4 gb of ram on a regular p4 machine... In this question I know EXACTLY what I�m talking about... Finally: Extended Physical Addressing is a mechanism in the IA-32 processor to adress 64 GB of physical memory. It�s true that the northbridge handles the memory, but don�t think that there is only 32 wires beetween cpu and bridge. Besides what about sequential throughput on a 32 bits parallell bus??? If the motherboard support P4, the bridge will also support Extended Physical Addressing, I won�t explain exactly how it�s ashived because I don�t know.. The adressspace is more or less unlimited (depends on how you build your os and which compiler you use) 64 GB in windows but the hour is late here in sweden, have to go to sleep (04:30)... no hard feelings I hope you learned something...

now u are talking about what is built-in or supported by a p4.

I don't really care about it BECAUSE it is not implemented in REAL, practical computers that USE p4, there are 0 boards that officially support it, and there are 0 computers that actually do it. and Windows uses 32-bit addressing.

Now I suppose you are not proposing a TRANCE PRODUCER, to write his OWN OS (like some mod for Linux kernel) to use more than 4 GB of ram and also get some 2 GB DDR stick (each costs around 1000$).

Also, a practical question: u need 4 GB of memory to make music? WHAT?????

We do the craziest 3D graphics 3D-MAX Studio can handle and never go beyond 3 GB requirement!

Now boys stop arguing! All us music producers want to know is:

'Which is better for music production?'...

... not who has the most qualifications or is the most technically minded about PC's or MAC's. All we want to know is which is better for music production!

Don't get me wrong, you guys can argue all you want about each platform! But to be fair, I know as much as I need to about PC's (i don't know much about MAC's at all- I'll be honest!), but all I (and I feel all the serious producers need to know), is how PC's perform against MAC's in relation to 'MUSIC PRODUCTION'

(No offence mean't by this post! All you guys seem sound!)

Thank you!

Regards

KTW

Well then, arguing aside..

My opinon is that macs are better for production.

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Originally posted by danieldavid Well then, arguing aside.. My opinon is that macs are better for production.

Sorry for the sidetrack... I�m with you, they are bether for music production. The Macs are developed for those cind of purposes...

sorroy for the language, I'm drunk right now , (Friday 01:00, swedish time).... se ya!

I don't know all that much about Macs b/c frankly I don't care. Maybe for the big time producers with tonnes of cash Macs are absolutely perfect, but for me, I have not even the slightest reason to get one.

There is so much freeware software for the PC its nuts. I use around ten freeware progs when producing and used to use entirely freeware.

3GB of RAM? Is sound processing really that intensive? I run 45 polys and 35-50 active VST plugins on a 500Mhz 320MB Celeron and just hit %110-%120 CPU in Fruity. Any PC with 100 more mhz could easily do what im doing at 85% or less.

My next upgrade will probly be to a P3 b/c I don't have alot money to burn. Also for that reason, I want to do all I can on the same computer, gaming included. DO NOT get me started on MAC vs PC gaming and software dynamics. Unix based task managing user-friendliness is a joke. Maybe the new Mac OSs are better than before, but cummon... v10? How many versions do you need? MS has free upgrades on their sites and can do it automatically.

Im sure Mac back-compatibility has few to no issues at all, but it's a pet peev of mine.

Either way... when everything starts going to the new MS big brother/spyware OS garbage, I'm switching to Linux, Unix or not.

I'm not claiming to be an expert here, but I've my own personal computer since I was 3 y/o runnin an Atari XL and switched to Amiga, Win3.11 Win 95, 98, Me and used Macs at school since 7 y/o. I would deal with a PC/Amiga (may she rest in peace) over a Mac any day of the year.

Yeah, i'm not taking any advice from someone who runs a Celeron, hahhaa.

In other words you did not notice the contrast between my comment for not needing a high end system to do the work that you want and your argument over which high end system is the best.

For begginning producers there is little reason to go for the best. And for begginning producers, chances are they are going to need their comps for more that one thing. Therefor my argument is quite valid, and your reasoning for the comment above is arbitrary and irrational.

My comment was a joke, hence the face... Lighten up, for real.

Sorry, your inflection and body language was not apparent.

I know too many computer dorks who would actually mean that.

someone with a celeron and who has installed Windows ME
man don't listen to that guy

Some of the stuff you said is not very good, but your main point is spot on, you don't need to spend tons of money to get started in creating music. Just get a cardboard box and bang out the beat on that, I'm serious. At work after putting out stock I would create beats on empty cardboard boxes before I disposed of them, eventually I bought some hand drums (bongo), but I started simple.

people used to make music on old old old computers, it may not be as fast or exciting, but it can be done

all i will say is this... with a pc, u must use windows... that is what hold it back... not the hardware.

Well..

I have a Powerbook G4 ti, and a desktop PC, and I only use the PC for music making. This may seem a little bit strange to some people, but it honestly is easier. For starters, there are MUCH more VSTs/DXi's being produced for windows. Have you ever tried finding free plugins for mac? There aren't many. Also, a lot of third party software is PC only (for example bZone, which controls my sampler). On top of that, my Powerbook doesn't have a SCSI interface, which is essential to me for SMDI transfers to my sampler. I have all the software I need to make tunes on my mac (Logic 6, Cubase SX, Reason, V-Station etc) and I do occasionally do stuff on it while on the move, but PC is superior, IMO.

Don't listen to people that say 'Mac is industry standard, its far better etc...'. That's crap. If you are building a setup from scratch, and you are relatively new to production, then PC every time. If you have loads of money to throw about, then by all means buy a G5, but you really won't benefit that much unless you have tons of cash to spend on plugins etc.

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Originally posted by seantyas all i will say is this... with a pc, u must use windows... that is what hold it back... not the hardware.

well, with a Mac u must use the crappy MAC OS, lol

Besides, you can use Linux, if of course you know anything about computers

i grew up on a pc.. hated macs, used to talk the shit like you do now.. then just for kicks, i got a mac to really see if it was all it was made out to be... it was.. i cant really put a finger on it, but it just makes life easy...

i do networking and maintenance as a dayjob, and hate windows.. all versions, tho 2000 pro seems to be the most solid so far...

to each his own though in the long run, and hey if pc works better for ya go for it, but i tell ya from personal experience that life has gotten easier for me and many others when i switched...

yea, more vsts are out for pc, but big deal, you dont need 15 softsynth virtual analogs...

and why use linux for making music?? hey if they had more software for music maaking on linux then sign me up anyday... but they dont so thats still a long way off...

i'll post a different perspective...from the software perspective...macs is definitely better. yes there are more free stuff out there for pcs, but going by professional standards, mac is better.

i'll break it down a lil:
Digital Performer 4 - only for mac and best midi sequencer out there
Logic Platinum 6- industry standard for audio, only for mac.
Cubase Nuendo and SX - pc-based, nuendo is very pro-quality.
ProTools - versions for both, but really made to run on macs. a PT HD or TDM system is amazing.
Reason - made for both, but compared to the big boys, it's total crap.

anyway you look at it, while software for pcs is catching up, the bulk of it is still for macs. and yes i kno lots of tunes are made on reason and fruity and cubase sl, but honestly...the quality from those programs cannot compare to a professionally-made track in logic or protools.

hehe, you said it first.. cuzthat statement alwways starts a war, but i agree with you 100%...

I don't get it. Why are the main software apps the reason "Mac is so much better than PC" when a softsynth vsti sounds the same whether its played on a PC or Mac, FL Logic or CB? Software is software.

And there is great hardware for either system, but unless you're willing to doll out your entire paycheck on a multi-thousand dollar Mac soundcard, it really doesnt matter (although I still haven't met anyone who can actually give me a reason mac is so superior hardware wise... disregarding the whole $$$ factor all together)

Give Mozart a blowtickler and a wooden paddle and he'll still beat the pants off Brittany Spears any day (gay or not, hehe).

Oh... and Mac OS and Linux are both Unix man... why would you ever waste your time attempting a Linux studio? I think you like pain. Sadistic bastard.

hmm since when is a mac soundcard thousands of dollars?

i am still chuggin along on an old audiowerk8. 300 bucks, worth it...

and true osx IS unix loving it..

Yah, I meant why use Linux when OS x is the same but with more compatibility and less pain.

HI!..

I must say I love mac's but the only thing keeping me avay is the price.. I would love to get the new duall cpu g5 , duall monitor setup. But it's too much money for me. Considering the technology moves forward so quickly, and computer cpu's become absolute after 2 years.. Intel estimates that in the next 6 years cpu speeds will reach aproximeatly 10-20 gigahertz. Right now I am running p4 2.66ghz with 2gig ram, and 2x120 7200rpm HD and 2x 19inch monitors. I am sure the G5 is super fast and it's does look great. But going to the apple website i priced a simmilar configuration to the one i have right now. except the mac would be a bit faster... it came up to about $8,716.00 and than add 15% tax to this.. Well that's a lot of cash for a computer.. I am not making my money of the music so it's eaven harded to justify the price tag.. And considering I got a great deal of getting my intel cpu and the ram from the place i work at.. the price of my entire system is not eaven 1/3 the price of the mac I priced out. So Yep I love mac's and i would like to have one, but for the price i sure rather get myself 2 nice hardware synths as additions to my studio.. I have a studio only computer, no games or net, it's strictly for music, and i don't have crashes that people constantly complain about.. It all depends how you set the thing up and what hardware you have. I am not saying that pc's are better for example.. they are just cheaper. Computer is just a machine, without us humans it's not gonna make a killer trance track : ). And mac's and pc's came a long way from before. Some people swear by either platform. I am just a pc user that chose to save some money.. And i can't say that I am limited by the computer I am using right now. It's plenty of power for what I do...

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