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Posted by dEsidEL on Sep-29-2003 02:34:

KarateKid

quote:
Originally posted by dj_moonshine
well i dont want to get into the subject of racism or neting, but their is just one group of people i dont like, im not going to mention it. im sorry if this sounds rude, but i have no other way of explaining it.


no worries, trust me i know what u mean .. the important thing is to avoid generalizing.


Posted by Abbas on Sep-29-2003 03:15:

I wouldnt blame the immigrants for moving to the major rural areas of Canada, why do most people live there in the first place?

better weather (somewhat)
way more opportunities
all known major corporations have offices there....
others of the same ethnic background so they dont feel alone/deserted in an unknown place..
most opportunities for career advancement

basically I think it comes doewn to the fact the gov't needs to make these areas more attravtice for newcomers and citizens. Only then they will get the influx they are looking for out west and in the Maritimes.....otherwise it will most likely stay the same


Posted by disko-kandi on Sep-29-2003 03:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Abbas
..basically I think it comes doewn to the fact the gov't needs to make these areas more attravtice for newcomers and citizens. Only then they will get the influx they are looking for [out west and in the Maritimes.]....otherwise it will most likely stay the same


aaahhh mean the 'guvernment'? yea that could be about right! hehehe


Posted by dEsidEL on Sep-29-2003 03:52:

KarateKid

quote:
Originally posted by Abbas
I wouldnt blame the immigrants for moving to the major rural areas of Canada, why do most people live there in the first place?


it has partly to do with the industrial revolution. When the first immigrants came to Canada (mostly from Western Europe) they didn't own land so the only places they could work was in urban centers that possessed large factories where they could find employment.

Obviously though things aren't the same today.

quote:

better weather (somewhat)


Well this is relative. Vancouver gets better weather than TO i would say, but TO over maybe Halifax .. :P

quote:

way more opportunities
all known major corporations have offices there....


What kind of opportunities are you talking about? If you mean like Tim Hortons and Esso gas station then sure yeah. But if you're talking about highly skilled work this is not necessarily true. It's surprising how much R&D is being done outside of major urban centers these days. Remember the cost to operate a business in say Calgary is probably far less than it is in downtown Toronto. And what about oursourcing of work like data entry to Ghana and software development to China and India?

quote:

others of the same ethnic background so they dont feel alone/deserted in an unknown place..


YEah that's true, there's definately a comfort level question here. But at the same time if they don't move out to other areas then how do they expect to ever establish their own community outside of the major urban centers?

It's interesting you brought this up though because I remember that huge ass census report study taken back in 2002 that showed the immigration influx into Toronto over the last 30 years. MTL was traditionally the immigration capital before TO. And we have to remember that there must have been some immigrants at the time who decided to take the plunge and make TO as cosmopolitan as it is now. Some other examples of spreading immigration include (but not limited too) a large Indian Sikh community in Surrey, BC.. Filipino community in Winnipeg, MB and of course Asian community in Vancouver.

Other areas are starting to see a slow but steady influx but not to the point at which we can safely say that they are major hubs for immigration.

quote:

most opportunities for career advancement


Again, this is all relative to what a person is looking for in terms of career advancement. But if immigrants with similar skills all continue to move into the same places, it's going to saturate the job market.

quote:

basically I think it comes doewn to the fact the gov't needs to make these areas more attravtice for newcomers and citizens. Only then they will get the influx they are looking for out west and in the Maritimes.....otherwise it will most likely stay the same


How should they do this ?


Posted by disko-kandi on Sep-29-2003 03:59:

anyways, joke aside >first of all to get back to the original part of the discussion, canada has a huge backlog in asylum applications under the old law as the new law (since june 2002) is not applicable retroactively ...meaning lots of people are trickling through the system and often unjustifiably deported without a chance to appeal -as that mechanism of our 'effective' immigration system has also been removed by the honourable coderre!!!) ;
secondly, they did not make their set quota of accepting new immigrants this year (hence this whole argument);
and, thirdly, the CIC and IRB are fully aware that new immigrants are clustering in the urban areas, so they are trying to accept ppl more in the blue collar range in order to move them out to the less populated rural areas. *anyone up for living with mennonites and hutterites in the mid-ieval ages! hehehe!!
on the other hand when talking in respect to accepting skilled workers etc. they are not given the chance of applying their professions, PhD's and what not's as Canada will not recognize other professions unless u re-educate, which again costs money and time -and the rest of the consequences you can think yourselves ... probs over probs agh!! ...
and on top of that -as we talked about earlier -those lazy mofo's ur talking about who sit on their asses all day and do nothing (sounds like TA's to me!! ahahaha!) ehhummm...well, what would you do if the guvernment offered you loads of cash to sit on your ass and you're better paid than scrubbing a toilet at min. wage?

it's all a matter of the system!!! it sux! end of story! ... that's my job to try and fix it ...so shut up and dance!
see you all next w-e!!


Posted by dEsidEL on Sep-29-2003 04:05:

KarateKid

quote:
Originally posted by disko-kandi
anyways, joke aside >first of all to get back to the original part of the discussion, canada has a huge backlog in asylum applications under the old law as the new law (since june 2002) is not applicable retroactively ...meaning lots of people are trickling through the system and often unjustifiably deported without a chance to appeal -as that mechanism of our 'effective' immigration system has also been removed by the honourable coderre!!!) ;
secondly, they did not make their set quota of accepting new immigrants this year (hence this whole argument);
and, thirdly, the CIC and IRB are fully aware that new immigrants are clustering in the urban areas, so they are trying to accept ppl more in the blue collar range in order to move them out to the less populated rural areas. *anyone up for living with mennonites and hutterites in the mid-ieval ages! hehehe!!
on the other hand when talking in respect to accepting skilled workers etc. they are not given the chance of applying their professions, PhD's and what not's as Canada will not recognize other professions unless u re-educate, which again costs money and time -and the rest of the consequences you can think yourselves ... probs over probs agh!! ...
and on top of that -as we talked about earlier -those lazy mofo's ur talking about who sit on their asses all day and do nothing (sounds like TA's to me!! ahahaha!) ehhummm...well, what would you do if the guvernment offered you loads of cash to sit on your ass and you're better paid than scrubbing a toilet at min. wage?

it's all a matter of the system!!! it sux! end of story! ... that's my job to try and fix it ...so shut up and dance!
see you all next w-e!!



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Posted by sohaness on Sep-29-2003 04:07:

quote:
Originally posted by disko-kandi
anyways, joke aside >first of all to get back to the original part of the discussion, canada has a huge backlog in asylum applications under the old law as the new law (since june 2002) is not applicable retroactively ...meaning lots of people are trickling through the system and often unjustifiably deported without a chance to appeal -as that mechanism of our 'effective' immigration system has also been removed by the honourable coderre!!!) ;
secondly, they did not make their set quota of accepting new immigrants this year (hence this whole argument);
and, thirdly, the CIC and IRB are fully aware that new immigrants are clustering in the urban areas, so they are trying to accept ppl more in the blue collar range in order to move them out to the less populated rural areas. *anyone up for living with mennonites and hutterites in the mid-ieval ages! hehehe!!
on the other hand when talking in respect to accepting skilled workers etc. they are not given the chance of applying their professions, PhD's and what not's as Canada will not recognize other professions unless u re-educate, which again costs money and time -and the rest of the consequences you can think yourselves ... probs over probs agh!! ...
and on top of that -as we talked about earlier -those lazy mofo's ur talking about who sit on their asses all day and do nothing (sounds like TA's to me!! ahahaha!) ehhummm...well, what would you do if the guvernment offered you loads of cash to sit on your ass and you're better paid than scrubbing a toilet at min. wage?

it's all a matter of the system!!! it sux! end of story! ... that's my job to try and fix it ...so shut up and dance!
see you all next w-e!!


word!

steve.


Posted by disko-kandi on Sep-29-2003 04:12:

oohihihi desi! u unveiled me!


Posted by drewfactor on Sep-29-2003 05:41:

Abbas: Don't you go to Mac (Engineering?)? What is your internship a/what are you doing? Just curious. I went to Mac as well.


Posted by vtec junkie on Sep-29-2003 07:36:


i hate when people start threads like this. 90% of the people that start shit like this havent even wondered outside their back yards yet alone been to a diffrent country. for every Canadian that wants to sit there and talk about how bad America is.....you dont have a fucking clue how simular our countries are alike. Abbas....just cause you had a couple bad experiences in VA doesnt mean its like that everywhere. Iv been all over the states and been to Toronoto plenty of times and i have to say man......TO isnt Gods gift to North America If you wanna bitch about how fucked up a country is, try spending three months in Saudi Arabia where they cut your body parts off in front of hundreds of people for shoplifting. not that it happend to me but ive been there.


Posted by Abbas on Sep-29-2003 15:45:

quote:
Originally posted by vtec junkie

i hate when people start threads like this. 90% of the people that start shit like this havent even wondered outside their back yards yet alone been to a diffrent country. for every Canadian that wants to sit there and talk about how bad America is.....you dont have a fucking clue how simular our countries are alike. Abbas....just cause you had a couple bad experiences in VA doesnt mean its like that everywhere. Iv been all over the states and been to Toronoto plenty of times and i have to say man......TO isnt Gods gift to North America If you wanna bitch about how fucked up a country is, try spending three months in Saudi Arabia where they cut your body parts off in front of hundreds of people for shoplifting. not that it happend to me but ive been there.


I spent 10 years in Kuwait, and lived there during the Gulf War, you are just using extreme cases, I witnessed an execution of 3 Iraqi soldiers (during the war) because they raped some women....

I lived there, all my friends lived there, and their families lived there (whether it was Kuwait, Saudi, UAE, Qatar, etc...) and we all got out with all out body parts! and last I heard that only happened in Iran anyway

and what you dont see is a 5 year old shooting someone, or a 14 year old going into a school cafeteria and taking out a gun and killing his fellow students, or someone robbing a bank, and so on...now dont get me wrong, im not saying it a perfect system, because no such thing exists

and im not saying TO is Gods gift to N.A., I personally like Vancouver and Montreal more, I was just saying I miss home sweet home thats all

yes I think Canada kicks ass, and it is better than the US in many ways than one (but thats just my opinion!)


Posted by Abbas on Sep-29-2003 15:47:

quote:
Originally posted by drewfactor
Abbas: Don't you go to Mac (Engineering?)? What is your internship a/what are you doing? Just curious. I went to Mac as well.


drewfactor: yes I'm in Mac Eng......I'm in Software Engineering and Management, doing an internship as a Jr. Machine Vision Programmer and web administrator.

What did you study at Mac? how long ago?


Posted by vtec junkie on Sep-29-2003 16:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Abbas
yes I think Canada kicks ass, and it is better than the US in many ways than one (but thats just my opinion!)

glad you made it out with all body parts
you are entitled to your own opinion....it you just came off as if you were basing your opinion on a few bad experiences you had in VA. that kinda shit happens everywhere.


Posted by dEsidEL on Sep-29-2003 16:21:

KarateKid

quote:
Originally posted by Abbas

yes I think Canada kicks ass, and it is better than the US in many ways than one (but thats just my opinion!)


i think vtec junkie was juss upset because it seemed like your opinion was based on generalizations. I personally have been in VA on numerous occasions and found it a great place to live. But that's just my opinion!


Posted by Abbas on Sep-29-2003 17:23:

no, im totally not basing my opinion on those events I listed above, I actually kinda like it here, although I lack a social life because I'm new, but I live in the richest county in the US, so I mean its a pretty nice area

I was told VA is one of the nicest regions to be, and I mean I live a 5 minute drive from DC

but I still like Canada better, as I said its my opinion based on a number of things, not because I saw a dude rob the bank


Posted by vtec junkie on Sep-29-2003 17:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Abbas
no, im totally not basing my opinion on those events I listed above, I actually kinda like it here, although I lack a social life because I'm new, but I live in the richest county in the US, so I mean its a pretty nice area

I was told VA is one of the nicest regions to be, and I mean I live a 5 minute drive from DC

but I still like Canada better, as I said its my opinion based on a number of things, not because I saw a dude rob the bank


yeah that part of VA is really nice....my uncle and aunt live there in a $5 million pad.....he played for the Washington Redskins for 13 years. Abbas.....come out to Glow one night bro....we will make you feel right at home.....the vibe is awesome


Posted by Abbas on Sep-29-2003 18:28:

quote:
Originally posted by vtec junkie
yeah that part of VA is really nice....my uncle and aunt live there in a $5 million pad.....he played for the Washington Redskins for 13 years. Abbas.....come out to Glow one night bro....we will make you feel right at home.....the vibe is awesome


Wow, thats pretty sweet, I'd love to have a house like that in the future...when did he retire from football?

Yeah, I wanna go out to Glow, I haven't been doing much since I got here last month.....are you planning to hit up any of the events lined up for October?


Posted by drewfactor on Sep-29-2003 20:10:

Abbas: I just finished nursing last year. I have some friends in your program (I lived with a few people in SWR ENG and MGMT), I wonder if you know them? What year are you in?



On the other topic. I love the States, I have been to VA many times. I love it there. I just got back from a trip to Pennsylvania and I love it there too. In many ways I prefer the States to Canada. Canada has it's benefits too. I'd much much rather travel in the States, that's for sure. As for raising a family someday, I'd probably stay in Canada, who knows.


Posted by vtec junkie on Sep-29-2003 20:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Abbas
Wow, thats pretty sweet, I'd love to have a house like that in the future...when did he retire from football?

Yeah, I wanna go out to Glow, I haven't been doing much since I got here last month.....are you planning to hit up any of the events lined up for October?

well now that prob cant go to Guv for Armin, Deep Dish, and PVD ill prob hit up Glow on the 12th for PVD since DC is closer to home.
I forget what year my uncle retired....hes now the offensive line coach for the Steelers and he gives me free tickets


Posted by Abbas on Sep-29-2003 20:56:

drewfactor: Well this year I would've been in my 5th year, but I have taken it off for the internship....

vtec junkie: thats cool, yeah the Guv has a pretty nice month lined-up for their anniversary....I was planning on catching PvD also, I dont really know anyone here though, but PvD rocks and was disappointed when he never made it because of SARS in TO


Posted by vtec junkie on Sep-29-2003 21:14:

^^^yeah i still havent decided on what im doing yet but if i go to dc for pvd....feel free to come to the meet-up and get to know everybody


Posted by tatgirl on Sep-30-2003 02:40:

Abbas- to meet TA's who go to DC events, check out the NY/DC forum. Also check out Cubik, formerly Buzz, at Nation on Fri nites.


Posted by drewfactor on Sep-30-2003 08:20:

Hey Abbas, Do you know Jamie Allin in your program? I lived with him in student housing for most of my time at Mac..he's in your program, in your year.

Peace


Posted by Abbas on Sep-30-2003 18:34:

Thanks for the info tatgirl, ill try to check it out sometime.....

drew: I've heard the name, I probably know the face, our class is not really big (about 70 something students) but I don't know him personally no...
Did you know a guy in nursing named Allen, he is Guynese but I dont remember his last name


Posted by matty on Sep-30-2003 21:24:

hey man i'm in the same boat here. i go to school in the states and whats worse is that i'm in school in the midwest.....absolutely fuck all happening over here.....

i can't wait for thanksgiving.....it will have to do me until i come back for christmas...


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