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I was convinced you'd pick this specific statement (about the general consensus) and generalize. I might agree with you that relying on what the majority thinks is not the brightest idea (just look at the overwhelming, misinformed anti-Israeli sentiments)

�spell/anti-Israeli/anti-Israeli government� I have nothing against Israelis, that's just another stupid generilisation some people here believe because they are afraid i might be right. I might agree with you that this forum does epitomise the general consensus in its stupidity, you just have to look at Djbaron toscher sedai, melech_mike etcetera

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Very shallow.

How hypocritically ironic that you call me shallow.

Shallow: Lacking depth of intellect or knowledge; concerned only with what is obvious

If the general consensus belives in it, it must be overtly obvious. You are whinging because you believe this concept �anti-semitism� applies to only a single race. Like you can't stand anyone else being in the limelight. Very shallow

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but in language you'll have to accept the genral consensus unless you wanna speak languages of your own, talking to yourself! Also, it's not merely "general consensus" but a clear definition.

Clear definition? How come your best argument against my apothegm was �apples are not bananas�?

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trancegiant The word itself is deceptive and hypocritical.

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trancegiant Also, it's not merely "general consensus" but a clear definition.

ambiguous / concise / apple / banana

do you understand what you are doing?

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What you did was artifical construction justified by "logic" totally ignoring (you still did, seeing that you didnt respond to one point about the word's history) the very motive behind the creation of the word. It is therefore, in a sense, calling bananas apples.

ok then:

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The term "antisemitism" exists for no longer than 200 years. It was created at some point in the later 19th century in Europe. How many of the " Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians" lived back then? I'm sure it described the anti-Babylonian sentiments at the height of Eruopean nationalism

What are Hebrews again?

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Have not the slightest idea what you're talking about. Can't have anything to do with me and what I said.

haha, it has everything to do with the way you think.

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Again I ask: What sort of satisfaction does this denial give you?

Seeing people realise they are in denial gives me a lot of satisfaction, for example:

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tathi I only wish i could be there when your own irrefutable epiphany marks the greatest epoch of your life in which you realise your own spurious ideals are nothing more than subtle prevarications

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Does it hurt you that a term which theoretically applies to others as well is occupied by Jews only?

Does it hurt you that the term literally applies to more than the jews but figuratively applies to only jews? I really do not care about the word itself, the word is just a concept, the way it is used to justify certain things that i will not go into here is what i dislike.

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Believe me when I say that Jewish people would have preferred if it hadn't had anything to do with them.

Sadly, it's a great propaganda tool, the word has justified alot in the name of �defense�

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Too bad no1 built a time machine

I'm working on it

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Drug_Tito Hmm, last time I checked, jihad was a holy war against all the non-muslims, and was as such given as one of the commandments in the kuran.

The Quran is a very peaceful doctrine, jihad basically means 'holy struggle' or the right to defend yourself against oppression and against people who will not let you practice your religion. The word has been misconstrued for propaganda reasons. West claims jihad against them, east claims crusade against them blah blah. Did you know "martyrdom" can be achieved through acting peacefully, similar to obeying hte christian ten commandments, this concept has been prevaricated by terrorist extremist to recruit more uneducated fools for their cause

trancegiant try and fit in another post before i go to bed. when i am tired is the best time to catch me off gaurd, hurry!

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Originally posted by tathi The Quran is a very peaceful doctrine, jihad basically means 'holy struggle' or the right to defend yourself against oppression and against people who will not let you practice your religion. The word has been misconstrued for propaganda reasons. West claims jihad against them, east claims crusade against them blah blah. Did you know "martyrdom" can be achieved through acting peacefully, similar to obeying hte christian ten commandments, this concept has been prevaricated by terrorist extremist to recruit more uneducated fools for their cause trancegiant try and fit in another post before i go to bed. when i am tired is the best time to catch me off gaurd, hurry!

The Quran is as peaceful as the bible is. Ultimately it relies on how it is interpreted by its believers. Since Jihad has been interpreted by some prominent extremist muslim clerics as going beyond mere 'defense' its very meaning in the Quran has been tainted and misconstrued by some of its own believers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1603178.stm

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Originally posted by tathi The Quran is a very peaceful doctrine, jihad basically means 'holy struggle' or the right to defend yourself against oppression and against people who will not let you practice your religion. The word has been misconstrued for propaganda reasons. West claims jihad against them, east claims crusade against them blah blah. Did you know "martyrdom" can be achieved through acting peacefully, similar to obeying hte christian ten commandments, this concept has been prevaricated by terrorist extremist to recruit more uneducated fools for their cause

Hm, I wouldn't say it's that peaceful. If my memory serves me correctly Muhamed himself adopted the doctrine of islam only after an archangel or something kept beating him until he surrendered.

And about the term antisemitism, I must say you are wrong. While the word itself at a first glance looks like it is a feeling directed against all the semites, its only usage in history was to label someone who had anti-jewish feelings. Yes, it's a flaw, and instead of antisemitism a correct word should be antijudaism or something like that. However, it has been widely accepted that antisemitism = antijudaism and there's not much you can do about it. It wouldn't be the first word whose wrong interpretation became commonly accepted throughout the society.

the misuse of the term "antisemitism" is one of the biggest marketing scheme invented by zionists! They hijacked a word that describes a group of races to something that should describe a religion. ( A religion that has now no ethnic foundation ie. caucasian jews, african jews, semite jews, etc...)

Its weird that everyone except zionists recognize the true meaning of this word.

Tathi you were right in your argumentation, you'll learn that on this board trying to sell ice to an Inuit is futile and a waste of your time.

Look Tahti, just because a word such as Semite means one thing does not mean that "anti-semite" is a contradiction of this.

When the word anti-semite was coined, it was used ONLY in the context of being anti-jewish... in fact one would say that being anti-semitic in the definition of being against semites, developed only because of the logical illusion people such as yourself had, that if it means anti it must mean the opposite.

Just one word that comes to mind to me right now in the same sense is Thesis.

dictionary.com:

the�sis ( P )
n. pl. the�ses (-sz)

1. A proposition that is maintained by argument.
2. A dissertation advancing an original point of view as a result of research, especially as a requirement for an academic degree.
3. A hypothetical proposition, especially one put forth without proof.
4. The first stage of the Hegelian dialectic process.

5. a. The long or accented part of a metrical foot, especially in quantitative verse.
b. The unaccented or short part of a metrical foot, especially in accentual verse.
6. Music. The accented section of a measure.



Yet antithesis does not mean the opposite of thesis; its used only in a much smaller context:


an�tith�e�sis ( P )
n. pl. an�tith�e�ses (-sz)

1.Direct contrast; opposition.
2.The direct or exact opposite: Hope is the antithesis of despair.

3.
a. A figure of speech in which sharply contrasting ideas are juxtaposed in a balanced or parallel phrase or grammatical structure, as in �Hee for God only, shee for God in him� (John Milton).
b. The second and contrasting part of such a juxtaposition.
4. The second stage of the Hegelian dialectic process, representing the opposite of the thesis.


We see only late in the 18th century has the word anti-thesis come to mean the opposite of thesis, and this is only used in its least used definition (4), and only in the Hegelian dialectic process.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek the misuse of the term "antisemitism" is one of the biggest marketing scheme invented by zionists! They hijacked a word that describes a group of races to something that should describe a religion. ( A religion that has now no ethnic foundation ie. caucasian jews, african jews, semite jews, etc...) Its weird that everyone except zionists recognize the true meaning of this word. Tathi you were right in your argumentation, you'll learn that on this board trying to sell ice to an Inuit is futile and a waste of your time.

So now I'm a zionist, eh? Lol, fascinating how I keep switching sides.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 So now I'm a zionist, eh? Lol, fascinating how I keep switching sides.

Don't worry ... I'm hardcore republican dick cheney. You get used to it

I don't know I've always been called a zionist likudinick neo-con hawk. I guess 1/3 an't to bad?

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Originally posted by tathi �spell/anti-Israeli/anti-Israeli government� I have nothing against Israelis, that's just another stupid generilisation some people here believe because they are afraid i might be right. I might agree with you that this forum does epitomise the general consensus in its stupidity, you just have to look at Djbaron toscher sedai, melech_mike etcetera How hypocritically ironic that you call me shallow. Shallow: Lacking depth of intellect or knowledge; concerned only with what is obvious If the general consensus belives in it, it must be overtly obvious. You are whinging because you believe this concept �anti-semitism� applies to only a single race. Like you can't stand anyone else being in the limelight. Very shallow Clear definition? How come your best argument against my apothegm was �apples are not bananas�? next post: ambiguous / concise / apple / banana do you understand what you are doing? ok then: What are Hebrews again? haha, it has everything to do with the way you think. Seeing people realise they are in denial gives me a lot of satisfaction, for example: Does it hurt you that the term literally applies to more than the jews but figuratively applies to only jews? I really do not care about the word itself, the word is just a concept, the way it is used to justify certain things that i will not go into here is what i dislike. Sadly, it's a great propaganda tool, the word has justified alot in the name of �defense� I'm working on it The Quran is a very peaceful doctrine, jihad basically means 'holy struggle' or the right to defend yourself against oppression and against people who will not let you practice your religion. The word has been misconstrued for propaganda reasons. West claims jihad against them, east claims crusade against them blah blah. Did you know "martyrdom" can be achieved through acting peacefully, similar to obeying hte christian ten commandments, this concept has been prevaricated by terrorist extremist to recruit more uneducated fools for their cause trancegiant try and fit in another post before i go to bed. when i am tired is the best time to catch me off gaurd, hurry!

You so over-complicate it in your poor attempts to somehow prevent defeat. Or is it just another act of masturbation as seen in your neverending fight with Toscher? It's obvious you don't give a damn about the subject itself, it's the fighting only which gives you satisfaction. To keep going and maintain your pleasure you take this to the most obscure directions. In a word: Ridiculous.

You way of taking statements out of context and putting words into my mouth is indeed shallow. It is not how serious debating is done. But as already said, you don't even want to have a serious debate, all you're up to is fighting for the sake of fighting.

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If the general consensus belives in it, it must be overtly obvious. You are whinging because you believe this concept �anti-semitism� applies to only a single race. Like you can't stand anyone else being in the limelight. Very shallow

I repeat: This is how languages work. You can have your own meanings of words and talk to yourself, or simply adjust to the general consensus on which every language is built, and be able to successfully communicate with others.

As for the clear definition, I already mentioned the Oxofrd and any other Dictionary. This is where you told me to look for in the first place, isnt it? What is your defintion of a clear definition when it comes to words?

Saying that the word itself is hypocritical and deceptive was referring to the fact that its creators tried to make it look "scientifical" and therefore poltically correct. The science of racial differences was widely accepted in the late 19th century and therefore this racist term of anti-semitsim (aimed at Jews exclusively form the very beginning) was a good way of changing from religious to a more "serious" (people began abandoning faith) approach. That's why I call it deceptive. By hypocritically talking about the race, ther hatred was scientifically justified.

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Does it hurt you that the term literally applies to more than the jews but figuratively applies to only jews? I really do not care about the word itself, the word is just a concept, the way it is used to justify certain things that i will not go into here is what i dislike.

literally-->dictionary definition--> proves your statement wrong.
I'll agree with you if you say that theoretically it applies to all Semites. Once you use the word, however, you'll have to look for it real meaning, which ,as already said 54 times, is based on the definition, the general consensus and its roots, all of which leading to the conclusion that Jews only are meant.
If you actually used the word the way you'd like to, you'd only justify its creators in their attempt to mask anti-Jewish sentiments with racial theories.
In fact the word antisemitism, deceptive and basically false, ought not be used at all. It's wrong from the very beginning. IF however it's used, then you cannot but use it the right way which is the opposite to yours.

ahlamalek: don't give us any lessons about Jewish people please. Yu let us and only us have our own defintions.


P.S.: Doesn't the repated bs'ing about Zionist conspiracies get boring?

*in Mr t"s voice*
I pity this uneducated fool!,i pity him!!

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Originally posted by Yoepus I don't know I've always been called a zionist likudinick neo-con hawk. I guess 1/3 an't to bad?

Well, at least those things are connected somewhat. Just a few months ago I was called a muslim terrorist, though. I guess that makes me now a zionist muslim terrorist.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, at least those things are connected somewhat. Just a few months ago I was called a muslim terrorist, though. I guess that makes me now a zionist muslim terrorist.

Reminds me of that joke DaveSaenz had a while back ... when are you planning your next bulldozer jihad?

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Originally posted by TranceGiant ahlamalek: don't give us any lessons about Jewish people please. Yu let us and only us have our own defintions. P.S.: Doesn't the repated bs'ing about Zionist conspiracies get boring?

what lessons, what conspiracies you idiot? I'm talking about semites, wtf is wrong with you man?

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Originally posted by ahlamalek what conspiracies you idiot?

this one:

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Originally posted by ahlamalek the misuse of the term "antisemitism" is one of the biggest marketing scheme invented by zionists!

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Originally posted by ahlamalek what lessons, what conspiracies you idiot? I'm talking about semites, wtf is wrong with you man?

as a matter of fact im super ill right now, fever, headache, a shivering body and what not.

hm....I actually dont wanna fight with u on a personal level, I always liked this place because you cud argue with many people and still keep respect and that "bond" based on our shared passion for electr. music.

mim gettin all emotional when Im ill

so you're actually saying that i'm advancing a theory that the whole thing is a conspiracy by zionists? i'm not saying that, i'm saying that zionists are doing this right now, not conspiring to. Same can be said for so many words that are misused by zionists to distort reality, the word "settler" is an example, where the proper word should be "colonialist".

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Occrider The Quran is as peaceful as the bible is. Ultimately it relies on how it is interpreted by its believers. Since Jihad has been interpreted by some prominent extremist muslim clerics as going beyond mere 'defense' its very meaning in the Quran has been tainted and misconstrued by some of its own believers.

common to all religions ;/

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Drug_Tito Hm, I wouldn't say it's that peaceful. If my memory serves me correctly Muhamed himself adopted the doctrine of islam only after an archangel or something kept beating him until he surrendered.

lol, this probably symbolises that Muhamed wasn't credulously na�ve, it took a beating out of him to make him accept that he wasn't hallucinating.

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And about the term antisemitism, I must say you are wrong. While the word itself at a first glance looks like it is a feeling directed against all the semites, its only usage in history was to label someone who had anti-jewish feelings. Yes, it's a flaw, and instead of antisemitism a correct word should be antijudaism or something like that. However, it has been widely accepted that antisemitism = antijudaism and there's not much you can do about it. It wouldn't be the first word whose wrong interpretation became commonly accepted throughout the society.

That's why i mentioned is especially applies to jews, for the same reason why words like jihad can been misconstrued, maxims like anti-semitism can also be misapprehended.

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ahlamalek the misuse of the term "antisemitism" is one of the biggest marketing scheme invented by zionists! They hijacked a word that describes a group of races to something that should describe a religion. ( A religion that has now no ethnic foundation ie. caucasian jews, african jews, semite jews, etc...) Its weird that everyone except zionists recognize the true meaning of this word. Tathi you were right in your argumentation, you'll learn that on this board trying to sell ice to an Inuit is futile and a waste of your time.

i'm working on becoming a better salesman

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Yoepus When the word anti-semite was coined, it was used ONLY in the context of being anti-jewish... in fact one would say that being anti-semitic in the definition of being against semites, developed only because of the logical illusion people such as yourself had, that if it means anti it must mean the opposite.

I am not doubting the etymology of the word, i am not doubting that the word is �especially� directed at jews

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Yopus Look Tahti, just because a word such as Semite means one thing does not mean that "anti-semite" is a contradiction of this.

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Yet antithesis does not mean the opposite of thesis; its used only in a much smaller context:

Because my argument was the proposition would your argument be the antithesis? Are you arguing the �Exact opposite� from what i am saying �especially jews�? Or is this little tactic meant to deliniate that the prefix �anti� does not make it the exact opposite?
*What does the prefix �anti� mean?
1. (prefix) opposite or opposing or neutralizing
2.Not in favor of (an action or proposal etc.)
not in favor of a certain race / against a certain race / Against / for / up / down ?

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Trancegiant You so over-complicate it in your poor attempts to somehow prevent defeat. Or is it just another act of masturbation as seen in your neverending fight with Toscher?

Sigh, your only tactic was to over-simplify �apples are not bananas� and then you try to engage me in a neverending fight in which you restate �apples are not bananas� and in the next post �apples are not bananas but bananas are apples�. I don't know why you would substitute yourself with toscher in an analogy.

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Trancegiant It's obvious you don't give a damn about the subject itself, it's the fighting only which gives you satisfaction. To keep going and maintain your pleasure you take this to the most obscure directions. In a word: Ridiculous.

You're right I don't really care for the concept, i care about the killing this concept has justified in the name of defense and paranoia.

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You way of taking statements out of context and putting words into my mouth is indeed shallow. It is not how serious debating is done. But as already said, you don't even want to have a serious debate, all you're up to is fighting for the sake of fighting.

If you think i act like this way, why do you bother trying to challenge me? Maybe i'm trying to get these emotions out of you? You are not up for a serious debate because you refute anything you find challenging to your ideals

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As for the clear definition, I already mentioned the Oxofrd and any other Dictionary. This is where you told me to look for in the first place, isnt it? What is your defintion of a clear definition when it comes to words?

The definition i used on the previous page i found clear:

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tats Dictionary.com anti-semitic: adj 1: relating to or characterized by anti-Semitism; hating Jews 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion Anti-Semitism \An`ti-Sem"i*tism\, n. Opposition to, or hatred of, Semites, esp. Jews. -- Semites: A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

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literally-->dictionary definition--> proves your statement wrong.

nope - �literal translation�

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I repeat: This is how languages work. You can have your own meanings of words and talk to yourself, or simply adjust to the general consensus on which every language is built, and be able to successfully communicate with others.

That's why i originally intended it as a joke, anti-semitic � anti-semantic, no one got it, we all had a cry.

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I'll agree with you if you say that theoretically it applies to all Semites.Once you use the word, however, you'll have to look for it real meaning, which as already said 54 times, is based on the definition, the general consensus and its roots, all of which leading to the conclusion that Jews only are meant.

Really? I have seen it used other ways, i was actually ignorant of the true meaning until i read a major newspaper that used its literal translation or "theoretical" meaning.

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If you actually used the word the way you'd like to, you'd only justify its creators in their attempt to mask anti-Jewish sentiments with racial theories.

why are you having a whinge then?

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trancegiant The word itself is deceptive and hypocritical.

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trancegiant Also, it's not merely "general consensus" but a clear definition.

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Trancegiant In fact the word antisemitism, deceptive and basically false, ought not be used at all.

so which one is it? third time lucky?

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It's wrong from the very beginning. IF however it's used, then you cannot but use it the right way which is the opposite to yours.

we can use it to justify senseless killing ;/


the thread so far:
You create an argument
i dissect it
you repeat your argument
i repeat my argument
etcetera

The general idea i have got from you three is:
This word doesn't apply to me! Does that mean i'm not special?!

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as a matter of fact im super ill right now, fever, headache, a shivering body and what not.

hah, i just got over an illness, had it in hte middle of tests ffs

anyway, i am going on a business trip soon, will be about 200km's away from my computer, i'm leaving in about 2 hours. i think i'll be away for the entire weekend, so hurry your posts! or just pm me or whatever, or wait for me to get back

this thread can smoke a cock

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Originally posted by ahlamalek so you're actually saying that i'm advancing a theory that the whole thing is a conspiracy by zionists? i'm not saying that, i'm saying that zionists are doing this right now, not conspiring to. Same can be said for so many words that are misused by zionists to distort reality, the word "settler" is an example, where the proper word should be "colonialist".

It depends on what your definition of the word "is" is....

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Originally posted by tathi I am not doubting the etymology of the word, i am not doubting that the word is �especially� directed at jews

Then we agree... what are you arguing for?

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Because my argument was the proposition would your argument be the antithesis? Are you arguing the �Exact opposite� from what i am saying �especially jews�?

No my argument would not be the antithesis, it would be the contradiction to your propostion. Antithesis is a term used in a compromisable logic of Hegel and other such philosophers of his school(Kant is an example).

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Or is this little tactic meant to deliniate that the prefix �anti� does not make it the exact opposite? *What does the prefix �anti� mean? 1. (prefix) opposite or opposing or neutralizing 2.Not in favor of (an action or proposal etc.) not in favor of a certain race / against a certain race / Against / for / up / down ?

Your right anti means exact opposite and semite is a race of people including Arab. But adding 1+1 does not equal 2 in this case.. words are not math. There are ALWAYS exceptions to the rule.. especially in english (I after E except if its weird..etc..) and here I have made available to you two exception to the rule that "anti" means exact opposite -> antithesis, and antisemite.

I'm sure there are several other such exceptions to the fact that the prefix "anit" does not always mean exact opposite/against that of the postfix.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz It depends on what your definition of the word "is" is....

is ( P ) (z)
v.
Third person singular present indicative of be.

in retrospect i can't believe how fucking stupid this argument was, i apologise to yoepus and trancegiant

in the future; dont feed the trolls:

welcome back, how was the weekend trip?

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