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I recently bought CD decks. I couldn't find a clear advantage that turntables have over CD decks.

I have had stuff sent through on CDR and white label from promo agencies months and months and months before a release date is set-sometimes before its even signed to a label and its still on white or unnamed...
Majority is vinyl.

just because you cant find it on vinyl- doesnt mean it doesnt exist on vinyl.....

vinyl hunting is an art form and an addiction- i personally play 95% vinyl in a night.
All down to personal preference

Ill very occasionally download and play it if i havent been sent it yet and its in demand or there is a mix i havent been sent...but as soon as its out i will buy it or it will be sent to me in due course.
Downloading then playing out and not at some point owning the copyright is a little bit rude really.........makes you a leech and does noone any favours.

Anyway- its not all new up to the minute stuff you have to play out- a good tune and a floor filler will work regardless of age in the right context and atmosphere.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 I seem to recal that Jose Amnesia - The Eternal is a little on the old side? (Might be a new mix, but I recal seeing that version around for a while too). What you are saying is not strictly true. I do this for a living and I am signed up to several promo agencies. The majority of stuff I get sent is complete crap for starters. The majority of what I get is also in vinyl. It is only the top 50 or so DJs in the country/scene who will get anything worth playing in most cases and they will get them on the format they request. When you sign up to a promo agency they actually ask you what your prefered format is. What you also seem to forget is that a lot of DJs spend a lot of time tracking down tracks that will make them come across as being unique. There is status in having a hard to find track because people will associate you with that track. That's part of what DJing is about. I'm not sure where you are getting this impression but I more often than not hear the arguement in reverse i.e. DJs who wish they had TTs instead as they can't get hold of CDs. Even seen it on the TA forums. When I work I must say that I very rarely see a DJ who just uses CDs, most of the guys I work with will use mostly or completely vinyl. Why not play both vinyl and CDs to make yourself have more options? And even if CD promos were to come out before vinyl would you have any greater chance of getting hold of one? With regards to playing MP3s acquired on the net and burnt to CDs in clubs, that's a big no no. Clubs will freak as it puts them at risk with regards to their public performance license. It's wrong to say that people also just expect new tracks when clubbing. Most times it's us DJs who put this pressure on other DJs not the average clubber. I play older tracks alongside newer ones, but then define old and new. Is something old just because Corsten has been playing it for three months. Perhaps, but I think the answer is no. It may only be him and a hand full of top DJs who have the track so unless someone actually heard him play, most people who are not as deeply interested in the trance scene will not have heard it. Even when the white label is released for us lesser mortals. Some songs are years old before they get released. People expect to be entertained when they go to a club, they want to have a good time. Sometimes that will involve cutting edge trance, sometimes the older stuff works better. A crowd pleaser is a crowd pleaser regardless of age. Most clubbers wont even notice as they are actually there to have a good time and not see you. A good DJ can have quite average records and work them in a way that they sound better than they are just buy putting them together well. DJing is a lot more than just having the latest music my friend. Although I feel your frustration with the availability of some stuff, you have decks and vinyl... what could be more fun? Well.. appart from perhaps being Monica Belucci's nipple tweaker? Best of luck either way Cheers Nem

I agree with Nemisis...
Sup Evan,
I see your concern, but if you want to move ahead from bedroom mixing, cd decks alone wont do it. They can come in handy in situations where you have difficulty getting a particular tune. However, keep in mind that the bedroom is the bedroom and when you hit a club or venue, its different. Like already mentioned, in a big sound system the mp3 format quality is noticeable. Like also mentioned, promoters and owners, managers wont approve you playing burned cds... its something they arent cool with, which its understandable (they have their responsibilities)... Ive yet to see where a dance club play most cds (only place was like a top forties place).
Ive played at a local venue where they didnt even have any cd players and everyone played what they are accustomed to playing, vinyl.

When it comes down to it, getting you success wont come from a new promos you have on a mix, it will come from constant work, work and work. Getting your contacts, your name out there...
That is true that us djs put that pressure on each other to play the new tracks... no one wants to be targeted or known as a DJ who plays old tracks. However, keep in mind that we listen to tons of tracks that other ppl dont ever know. Now, for example.. especially here in the States and with Trance... you can spin a combination of vinyl--classics and new and most ppl wont even tell the difference. They will tell if they like track or not, but majority of clubbers and listeners arent critics to the music like siskel & ebert at the movies.
Most of the time, try not to care of what others play, as just try to play what you like and think suits your style of djing. If you noticed a track or two some other ppl played, who cares... what will stand out is how you incorporate that into your own mixes and sets.
You shouldnt regret getting TTs.. as many ppl everywhere in the world would die for tts, especially the 1200s


Ricky

I'm not trying to predict anything but eventually vynils will go, maybe soon, maybe later. It's just the way technology works. And there's always that time frame trangression where certain people won't accept the new technology no matter what.

Personally, I have two Gemini decks right now (getting Techs for Christmas) and the number one reason I want CDJs (my next purchase after Techs) is that I'll have such a wider selection of music to play. First of all, I'm a broke high school student that cringes at even paying internation shipping fees, the only way I'll buy a vinyl is if its already in the US or if I do a large (10 or more) vinyl haul from overseas to save me on shipping. But more than anything, I feel like without being able to play the tracks that I have downloaded, my sets suffer. True, they're MP3s that are far from the quality of the original, but the truth of the matter is that having burnt CD-Rs can greatly expand your personal style and your sets into something much bigger. I've yet to hear any conclusive proof that MP3s sound bad in clubs, there have been several threads asking about this and the answer was a resounding "they're fine". Besides, I want to start producing eventually and including my own songs in my mixes (this is how I think I'll get noticed quicker than anything else) and so if I want to do this, I'm obligated to burn these tunes to CD-R.

In fact, it is common practice for many producers to produce a tune, save it as an MP3, send it off to a couple friends, then have it played out that very night.

As GTR said: "Although a lot of the music industry hate mp3s, I think they�re great. For example, I�ve finished tracks off on a Friday afternoon, sent an mp3 across to my friend and Godskitchen resident Jon O�Bir, and he�s burnt them to CD and played them at CODE that very night! How could you have done that a few years ago?"

Random idea relating to MP3 tracks being used for sets.

Wouldn't it be cool if you could go online and BUY pretty much any track you wanted? These tracks would be at a discounted price compared to vinyl, and would be immediately available for download once paid for.

I'm not sure how much vinyl to press per record, but you could easily knock the distributor out of the picture, as well as your retailer. So the various artists could potentially see more money out of each track. When I say "more money", I'm referring to the fact that there is a ton of vinyl that I would like to buy, but CAN'T because of the damned limited edition runs.

All that's missing to make this work is a format which prevents the tracks from being readily copied across the 'net.

I think it's best to get final scratch. I can't afford to spend money on every tunes especially some that i wouldnt' cosider a keeper. Best to get final scratch to play your tunes and if you really like a record then buy them. I would have bought final scratch if only i knew how to install one.

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Originally posted by las3rjock It not the tracks, but what you do with them, that set a DJ apart.

wrong, the dj is only as good as the tracks he plays (i think sasha said that) and its true.

Blame the record industries for being too slow then . That's the reason why I been mixing on CDs because as a beginner I had to keep myself from being bored to death with the same old tracks for months and months. I also have many mp3 tracks that sound way better than some of the vinyls I have. Vinyls come shitty recording sometimes too. Don't hate on CDs because I used to go to Spundae every weekend and saw almost every DJ used CDs there. From local DJs to PVD, Fleming, Sasha, etc... they all used CDs. I love CDs for the technology but i must admit vinyls are fun to mix

Annon you're right man vinyl sucks at home man. CDs are better at home. It keeps you from killing your self with listening the same old tracks over and over. And if they say CDs are not as good recording as vinyls, I can't tell the difference after i recorded my mix using both.

Keep in mind new tracks are what drive you.

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Originally posted by Evan Almae HHAHAHHAHHA, are you even paying attention to TODAY's music industry? Not all tracks are pressed and given to Dj's as promos first. They begin by sending them a "CD" with the song on it. Thats why clubs are incorporating cd-decks as industry standards. IE: 90% of the tracks Armin plays on his show are CD-R's. They might be signed to a label or might not be, and some are up and commers and just want Armin to play there song. But the fact is they mostly are on CD-R. Its commone sense nowadays.

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Originally posted by Dj Flesch Dude, I think that you need to stop freaking out and enjoy what you bought in the first place. I don't know what all of this nonsence is about not being able to get all the "fresh" tracks, but I have had two or three of those tracks for about a week now. You just posted this msg yesterday--and my shipping was international (not fast etc.). Maybe you just don't have the know-how to find them? Or maybe you don't know where to look for the release of those particular tracks? I don't know. If you didn't know this before, then maybe it's because different remixes are put out on different labels with some artists. And as Prodigy Child stated above, how do you know that the djs who are spinning professionaly aren't getting promos/white labels that you aren't. How do you know that they aren't on the elite list and get sent great tracks--or know someone who does. How do you know that since they are spinning on a decently listened to internet radio, that the labels don't send them tracks to spin for promotion? My point is that you don't. As a dj, bedroom or otherwise, you of course are more current on what tracks are new and which ones aren't than the typical layman. But this doesn't mean that you have the inside scoop that the top DJs do. They get tracks that are not going to be released for months, if ever. Point in fact North Pole - South Pole was being played by a lot of the elite close to three months before the official release date. Then it trickled down to a lot of other DJs, then finally it was released to where I could buy it. The thing is, it is all sold on vinyl. That is how you get the best tracks the quickest. True, you may be able to pirate some tracks earlier than the release date, but real DJs won't be the ones to play them. They don't have to because they have the original on the vinyl that was sent to them. Enjoy what you have, and face the reality of what it means to not be the best dj in the world as well as be short on funds. All of us have been there.

I only bothered reading the first one and a half pages of this thread... Flesch said everything I was thinking of saying and I fully agree with him. Admittedly I do find myself slightly biased when Almae starts his posts with "HAHAHAHAHA"


as in it weaken's whatever argument he could scrape together in the first place

What do u guys think of this

today i get my new cd deck... and i already have one turntable...im barely beginning so do u think this is okay..

ill put the turntable on the right and the cd deck on the left and of course the mixer in the middle...

that way i can play my cd's and still play and mix with vinyl..
so yeah!!

1st this has just turned into a new cd's vs vinil thread and 2nd ill buy one of your turntabels off of you

I think that turntables are much better then cd's.
When I see somebody turning his or her tables it gives me a warm feeling inside. when i see somebody mixing with only cd's i just don't like it no matter how good he or she is.
Be honest turntables are much more fun to play with then the cd players.
This is just my opinion.

I enjoy Vinyl DJs, 'cuz they work harder. They also buy their music which they have invested time on so you know you're gettin' a quality tracks to drop in a set. They don't need to have every track out there because they can drop your jaws with what they have.

What fun is it to see a CD-DJ press play, stop, bpm, and cue?

When a CD-DJ loses a CD, they're like...what the hell, I'll just DL it off KaZaa and burn a new one. They don't care about their music. When tracks get outplayed, they end up on the floor, the trash, or lost.

When a vinyl DJ loses a record, they're like f*ck and they tear things apart. They care about their music even if it gets outplayed. The bottome line is they take care of their records. You love your music more if you buy it.

If there's one thing all DJs can agree on, it is this:

You're eventually going to end up playing some older tracks.

Like I said, I'm not here to bash on CD-DJs. I've done both and I'm sticking with Vinyl. There are CD-DJs out there that can beatmatch and skratch better than Vinyl DJs. My respect goes out to all the CD-DJs who composes their own stuff or buy legit CDs and spin it.

That's my 2cents.



[ try saying that in one breath ]

what you said about losing a record is so true; i accidentely and stupidly dropped one off my ti�sto remixes last week at a party and for some reason my record just shattered in about 20 pieces. I was really angry beceause I have to work for every penny that I spend on this hobby.

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Originally posted by T:REBEL When a vinyl DJ loses a record, they're like f*ck and they tear things apart. They care about their music even if it gets outplayed. The bottome line is they take care of their records. You love your music more if you buy it.

I can vouche for this

Hey Man chill.....

Decks earn you far more respect than CD's ever will...(well at least in my eyes)

Tables will be around for ever.... well they better be or I'm going to kick some ass

Being a dj is about the music... not being the first to have the tune...


CD are replacable but vinyls are forever (maybe that should be the next James Bond film

get a job. save some money. buy cd-decks. simple.

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Originally posted by vaes what you said about losing a record is so true; i accidentely and stupidly dropped one off my ti�sto remixes last week at a party and for some reason my record just shattered in about 20 pieces. I was really angry beceause I have to work for every penny that I spend on this hobby.

Losing a record sucks. I lost three records in one night because of vinyl jackers.

[ Someone - Ascension ]
This was the record that had the Binary Finary and Thrillseekers remixes.

[ Toca Me - Fragma ]
When this track first came out, it was on Gang Go. I had the promo.

[ Another Day - Skip Raiders f. Jada ]
They jacked the first record which had the Perfecto Remix on it.

Sh`t, I was pissed as hell. You can't even find these fresh anymore. They're all hella used and abused.

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Originally posted by DJ LIQUID I can vouche for this

Thanks! That makes three of us.

Vinyl Junkies for life!

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Originally posted by Exploded Fiber ...Decks earn you far more respect than CD's ever will...(well at least in my eyes) Tables will be around for ever.... well they better be or I'm going to kick some ass Being a dj is about the music... not being the first to have the tune...

That's what I'm talking about.

its really pretty sad to see all the "I dont have respect for CD-DJ's" BS. I mean give me a freakin break. This music, is all about technological advancement as far as producing goes. Every year, every month in fact, tracks sound cleaner and sound better, and this is because the technology is advancing.

So why be all anti-technology when it comes to DJing. There is nothing that a CD-deck cant do that a tech1200 can. Except when it comes to turntablism... too much demand is put on even the best CD decks when it comes to turntablism. But as far as mixing any other genre goes, CD decks are just as good - if not better - than a pair of tech1200s. There is simply so much that digital can do that analog simply isnt capable of. Such as live, onboard sampling, looping, splicing, a host of effects, etc.

As far as mixing difficulty goes, they're of eqaul difficulty. And as far as only downloading and not supporting the artists by actually buying material, thats a whole different issue.

Dont get me wrong, Im all for vinyl... its what built the backbone of this wonderful scene. I have a pair of CD decks, as well as a pair of tech1200s (which I learned how to spin on originally). But dont be all stubborn when new things hit the scene. Just like Tiesto said... give it 10 years and CD technology will be so good that vinyl will be a thing of the past, even when it comes to turntablism perhaps

Let me just say..

My roommate has cd decks. I have turntables. I get a nice comparison of a cd dj vs. a vinyl dj this way.

First off, vinyl is just more fun. Most people agree on that. I have no idea why, but it is.

Second, someone said that you love your music a lot more with vinyl. This is definitely true. The fact that you have to work (both for money and to find the record itself) to get every one of your tracks makes it that much better. Plus...you actually know your tracks. Your mixing gets soooo much better that way. That's what my roommate was talking about earlier...when you have that many tracks (with cds), you don't know them that well. You'll play a song once or twice then move on. But...If you know exactly both of the tracks you're mixing, you can pull off some amazing shit.

Third. My favorite activity...hands down...is going to the record store and trying to find that track that no one knows about. Something about digging through stacks of vinyl that's just much better than downloading tracks from other people.

Fourth...I know this may not apply to you, but i'm definitely into hip hop and drum and bass in addition to trance, and i'm all about turntablism in those mixes. CDs just can't do turntablism yet.

Fifth...those damn .1% pitch increments on cds are downright annoying. Perfectly analog pitch is sooooooo nice. When you go back and forth you definitely notice it.

BUT....i really do love having my roommate around for those moments when i've been spinning too much and i'm temporarily sick of what i have...or i just want to try a track in the mix, or there's a track that i just can't get.

So there's a difference between us. When he makes a new cd...if i complement him, it's always "those are some quality tracks". When he complements me, it's usually "that was some amazing mixing". Definitely not always the case, but most of hte time.

So...my suggestion? get both, or get final scratch. That way you can rock out on your turntables but still have those new tracks. Until then...just be happy with what you have....perfect your technique, etc.

Vinyl for some, CD for others...

Look, it's not really a big deal. Use both. If you have a tune on record, play it on your decks. If you have a tune on CD, play it on your CD decks.

What's the conflict here? They both work on the same platform, it's not like you need a special mixer to use one or the other.

Screw image and just play the tunes in the way you have them.

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Originally posted by uxud Vinyl for some, CD for others... Look, it's not really a big deal. Use both. If you have a tune on record, play it on your decks. If you have a tune on CD, play it on your CD decks. What's the conflict here? They both work on the same platform, it's not like you need a special mixer to use one or the other. Screw image and just play the tunes in the way you have them.

what he said

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