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speaking of RAVE, it was an outrage because it came as a "side plate" to the AMBER bill, which i believe deals with child kidnapping or missing child reports. I don't believe there was any discussion in the capitol about the RAVE act. The politicians thought the AMBER bill was ok, so the approved it, (spelling?) innocuously slipping in the RAVE bill under tha table.

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Originally posted by DJ Nuclear It's called the Reducing America's Vulnerability to Ecstasy Act, and you're too late because it already passed. The US government already has been using it to shutdown parties.

That should answer the question right there .... it has ruined damn near everything in the states. Not so much the drug but where the majority of people have used it at, i.e. parties. So yes I will say it is bad for the "scene" in the states.

Theres nothing wrong with drugs used responsibly. You are in charge of your own body, and you are in charge of what you put into it and what you will not. Fuck anyone that tries to tell you otherwise (like, the laws). Your body belongs to you, do with it as you wish. However, if you cant go and have fun and enjoy the music without the drugs then your definately into it for the WRONG reasons.

I dont take drugs myself, I dont need them to have a good time. I dont criticize others who do, and I encourage them to do what makes them happy, but above all to be careful and responsible with it.

So, X can be a good thing when used responsibly.

I've never really had any crazy things happen to me while on E (eg. djgrl in a tub full of ice)...the only crazy thing that happend to me was the first time I took it on New Years.
It was my first time so I didn't know what to expect, and when the heatshocks came in, and my mind started spinning...I got a stomach ache from it, and all that just built up and up in my mind. I was really scared at first, but I went upstairs and cut myself away from the chaos that was ensuing downstairs (my friends were jumpin around to a PvD set). I stuck on Digweeds MMII and that really relaxed me and then my cousin came up and started crackin jokes and I felt A LOT better.
I've done it again at the end of June and then 5 times in August (4 times during a week, and the last time at the end of August). Needless to say, I went a little overboard with it. It didn't fuck me up in any way but the 4th time I was getting bored of it (5th time it was a different pill and I was seeing Sasha so I was in heaven).
Also, when people say "drink lots of water"...don't drink too much. The last time I did it, I drank A LOT of water and my stomach was really hurting me from it and I just felt really sick.

Moderate it. Thats the most important thing. And remember to keep your cool. It's an amazing experience.

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Originally posted by DjGrl2000 I personally think the safest way to use E is if you get a pill that is pure MDMA, and that is very hard to find nowadays. Alot of E makers have put horrible shit in the pills such as DXM. That's what I think might have been in my pill the last time i rolled because I could not sweat at all so my body temp. just kept getting higher and higher. One of the reasons E ruins the scene so bad is because all these organizations are actually trying to ban all rave and trance/techno concerts because of the drug. I believe it's called the National Rave Act or something. It's horrible, and I hope they never succeed. We use to have a show here every summer called rave on the rocks, and they made the radio station change the name because they said raves are associated with Ecstasy. They even tryed to ban the show permanently. See how it's ruining the scene?

is it really drugs that are ruining the scene or is it crackpot politicians, who try to get votes by swaying over the uninformed masses by trying to prove that they are tough on drug use? using it as a scape goat?

the drugs wouldn't be "ruining the scene" if it weren't for people trying to make them illigal and persecute the drug users.


and yeah the pill you had probably contained some other drug besides MDMA which caused you to temporarily lose the ability to perspire, thus raising your body temp (is that what you said what happend?).
thats the thing, people say ecstasy and assume what they are taking is MDMA. people need to be very careful with the pills they pop and be more clear when they talk about what ecstasy actually is.

ohhh and on that graph that was posted near the begining of the thread.


becareful how you interpret that graph. remember there are alot more people out there who snort cocaine and smoke pot than pop ecstasy. as there are also alot more people out there who use antidepressents, anti-histamines, and aspirin. those drugs have higher rates of ER cases beause they have much higher usage levels (and many people OD on these as a means of suicide, and there are lots of children who wil eat whole bottles of legal drugs).
the data really doesn't say much for the relative "safeness" of those drugs. an accurate representation would be the percentage of drug users who go to the ER, altho it would be nearly impossible to obtain a statistic such as this.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...highlight=Bible

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Read it. Essential info.

I love ecstasy, but I love mushrooms more.

i just hope wat politicians realize is that if they cut out the club scene...extasy and other drugs would just creep its way into another scene...i read sumwhere sayin they want to take out the club scene yet they cant even keep drugs out of maximum security prisons. And as for extasy...after i popped my first pill i looked at the world in a whole different way. I loved the drug. Now whenever i take a pill i smoke a lil joint to get a good body buzz going in. Very relaxing state. When my roll is done i take a shower and sleep it off. I wake up feeling like a million bucks. "Blue mondays" are an effect of sleep deprivation and other things also (thats wat i think anyway...i could be wrong) All in all...if ur gonna do it smart and safe...its a good experience...if ur gonna be an ignorant ass and disregard all the saftey tips about it...then u deserve a bad experience if u get one.

Damn junkies taking over the Music Discussion as well...

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Originally posted by DjGrl2000 that is not true. i took it, I drank water, i didnt mix anything with it, and what happened to me? I ended up in a bathtub filled with water and ice cubes because my body temp was so high i thought i was going to die. I wasn't even dancing on the shit. peoples bodies react differently and with the shit most E makers are putting into the pills now, in the long run it's going to have serious affects. i'm not claiming to know every detail about it but it pisses me off when certain people think they know everything about the drug just because nothing has gone wrong with them yet. people are going to do it regardless but don't preach that E is so great and safe because it really isn't. as far as the club scene goes, it does ruin it to a certain effect. What happened to the music and dancing being the most important? So many people have to roll every single time they go just to have a good time. It use to be about the vibes of trance music, not being drugged up all of the time.

the amount of ignorance in this thread is shocking. you say u had MDMA (ecstasy)? did you test your pill? i bet you didnt. your pill probably contained PMA (a very dangerous drugs when you think you're taking MDMA), MDMA and DXM (a very deadly mix) or a number of other stuff.
and alcohol and MDMA is fine in small amounts (like 3 beers over the course of ur peak). but you have to make sure to keep ur water levels up.
geez people, what is wrong with you? do some god damn research before you put anything into ur body. buy a testing kit from the net to make sure you know you're taking MDMA not some other drug. be smart.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Damn junkies taking over the Music Discussion as well...

I have never taken any, nor do io intend to, but i don't try and ram my opinions down peoples throats. In other worsds, i'm fine with other people doing it.

Pills are fun, were loads better when i first started doin them coz now the excitment of doing them has gone.

For me and most clubbers in the UK pills and clubs go hand in hand (well used to) and every1 in a club used to be fucked. I reckon part of the decline of the club scene is because people cant be arsed to go out every week and take pills (plus the fact in UK people will go out and eat like up to 10 pills in a night)

When i started i was all into testing pills and taking remedies on comedowns and all the stuff, but the remedies never really made me feel any better or worse so i just stopped bothering. Bin doin them for 3 years and never had a bad or dodgy pill so eventually stopped testing them. But i always get them b4 goin a club from a reliable person rather than in a club from an unreliable person.

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Originally posted by filteredphunk Alcohol dehydrates you... but if you do it in moderation, it's no more harmful than dancing..... this image below(courtesy thedea.org) says it all.. now what do you wanna eat? I vote Ecstasy... as long as used in moderation it's fine. http://www.bluelight.nu is a GREAT source of info... you might also check out HTTP://www.erowid.org

that graph is quality!

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Originally posted by montie ohhh and on that graph that was posted near the begining of the thread. becareful how you interpret that graph. remember there are alot more people out there who snort cocaine and smoke pot than pop ecstasy. as there are also alot more people out there who use antidepressents, anti-histamines, and aspirin. those drugs have higher rates of ER cases beause they have much higher usage levels (and many people OD on these as a means of suicide, and there are lots of children who wil eat whole bottles of legal drugs). the data really doesn't say much for the relative "safeness" of those drugs. an accurate representation would be the percentage of drug users who go to the ER, altho it would be nearly impossible to obtain a statistic such as this.

so your trying to say for every 1 person who takes E, there are 20,000-30,000 who take cannabis/cocaine?


no score im afraid.

I'm surprised by the Fact there are so "less" Emergency Room visits after using GHB.

GHB has become one of the most used drug in the party scen here in Holland the last two years. And I heard many stories and even seen things go wrong with this drug.

drugs r bad mmk!

Verry interesting read. I myself have never taken X nor do i go clubbing i just love the music..

I do think i should always be a personal choice. i also dont thin people take drugs to have a good time they just take them as an enhancement.

but some things you have all over looked is the damage to the organs and to the brain. All drugs have these afects although they are regulated by the authorities and kept to the bear minimum.

Thanks

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Originally posted by DJ Nuclear 110,000 for marijuana? Food poisoning from the munchies? Anyhow, alcohol and E are a bad combination because alcohol dehydrates you. edit: the stats are coming from http://dawninfo.samhsa.gov/pubs_94_.../2002/2.2.0.xls ... it doesn't say whether these were in combination or alone, either, though.

How many times have you ever heard of someone freaking out the first time they smoke pot and ambulances being called? I know quite a few people this happened to; not because the weed was bad or anything, just because they're stupid =P

Anyways, I like E every now and then, it can be a lot of fun. I prefer drinking, but I'm also convinced that alcohol is much worse for me than the weed.

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Originally posted by MMoGENIUS ... i also dont thin people take drugs to have a good time they just take them as an enhancement. ...

Exactly ..

Crusader

e's r good and perfectly safe as
long as u know what ur doing

You guys just keep telling yourselfs that ....

There is a reason they call it a drug and not a vitamin ....

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Originally posted by DJDigDug extasy has been given a very bad reputation, if the user is responsible and drinks water, doesnt mix it with other drugs ESPECIALLY alcohol, it is probably one of the safest drugs there are. So many myths exist about extasy it is rather sad and since it is a newer drug it gets blamed for a lot of things due to peoples lack of knowledge of it. Alot of people seriously dont understand chemistry, they merely think that alcohol plus extasy is some soft downer with a stimulant, rather than a chemical reaction but often cases are that 1 beer can put ya in a coma or siezure on extasy, As for the straight edgers please dont turn this into a drugs are bad drug slandering post.

That is 100% bullshit.

I challenge anyone to find any credible source out there that claims that drinking 1 beer and taking MDMA can put you in a come or make you seizure. This is just not anywhere close to true.

I also dont really trust that DEA chart. It seems very unlikelly to me that that many people are in the emergency room from Marijuana.

MDMA is EXTREMELLY safe. Their is almost no chance of overdosing being that the LD50 is I believe around 6,000 mgs. The only real dangers of MDMA are that one will die of dehydraiton, which almost always happens in a club and could be averted if free water was provided; or that someone will have a heart condition, or something similar and the mdma will trigger it.

To examine your odds of dying lets take a look at some UK statistics.
In the UK now an estimated 2 million pills are done a week, thats 112 million a year. In the UK 27 people die from ecstasy a year. That means for every 4,148 148 pills taken one person dies.

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Originally posted by dj adagnitio 112 million a year.

half of which are taken by me.


but seriously ecstacy is not the bad drug everybody makes it out to be.

take the doctor who invented (don't know his name), he said that more people have died in one year from eating peanuts than have died from taking ecstacy since it was discovered. so why not ban peanuts. hmmmm.


If people want to take ecstacy then who are you to judge them. its a well known fact that alchohol has caused a million times more grief and suffering than ecstacy. so when you put it in a proper perspective then it just makes all these do good campaigners look rather stupid

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