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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan Lib Dems however I hate their view on joining the Euro. But like I fucking loathe the tories and I fucking loathe Labour ppl say he hates Labour! I tell you fucking why they've lost their views they don't stand for the working class no more its another middle class party to me, they've lost links with their roots and I come from a big Labour family so before anyone tells me to be quiet and that I dunno what I'm talking about I can tell you word to the mother****** to shut the fuck up lol.

I totally agree with you,and i too am from a labour family. They definatley dont stand for the working class as they once did or at least aimed too anymore. However I still agree with most of what labour are about.

Besides that, tories are idiots and lib dems will never get it. So labour it is

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Originally posted by tu_face for me it has got to be labour. who the hell would want the torys back in after the 20 years of fuck-ups they had?? and i really cant take iain duncun smith seriously (i would love to smack the bald bastard actually).. regardless of what ppl say/think, i think that on the whole, labour have actually done a decent job since they got in. the country was a fucking mess when they got into power, and it has taken this long to get it back to some state of okness.. tony blair might be a bit of a knob, but i think that the government he has in place is doing the job well. ppl will be now moaning about public transport, nhs etc etc but please, name me one governtment who hasnt been moaned at for public transport + nhs etc. the problem with our country is that we are never satisfied

Word !

As for people who moan to labour about the state of the NHS, it was the tories who were opposed to it in the first place!

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan Lib Dems however I hate their view on joining the Euro. But like I fucking loathe the tories and I fucking loathe Labour ppl say he hates Labour! I tell you fucking why they've lost their views they don't stand for the working class no more its another middle class party to me, they've lost links with their roots and I come from a big Labour family so before anyone tells me to be quiet and that I dunno what I'm talking about I can tell you word to the mother****** to shut the fuck up lol.

I come from a family that always voted for Labour. My dad was a die hard Labour voter, now even he will not vote for them. Am going to vote for the green party. Labour have lost the plot.

I cant see anyone else other than labour running the country. I dont really like conservatives, cos i dont think theyre capable of running the country before they find a true leader. One thing im not liking labour for though is increase in tuition fees at uni..bastards! (although hopefully i will have finished before it happens)

labour, and thats only having to vote, there is so much bs in it all its unreal. they are fucking up most of the civil service where the tory's left off, but they do have many good and however some contradicing policies (eg computers for schools, but higher uni fees). i wouldn't vote lib dem because of their massive spout to get proportional representation in this country, which would well fuck the country over imo.

cant be arsed 2 write cleverly, politics is gay in every way.

Conservative have had a good go and as said before fuct stuff up slowly but surely, labour i really cannot take seriously also seem to fuck stuff up (labour and conservative seem very similar to me in many ways) green party all well and good but they dont seem to come with any authority. raving loonys, well at least they govern with a smile. Lib dems i have to say as i dont want to abstain and hope a different angle might start to make a difference, but that difference starts with us. Lib Dems it is

The problem with the Lib Dems is that because they have never had the chance to run the country, people are always gonna use that against them. They will never be in the runnning, but they will still have importance in Parliament as they will be able to cast their votes on such matters and sway majorities and such.

My vote will be for the Conservatives. Why? Although i was just a kid when they were in power, my parents and a lot of people i know have been a lot worse off under Labour. I never had a chance to experience it first hand, so of course i will not be biased against them.

Although the Conservatives have principles and policies that will cast doubt in most voters minds, i will still go with them on the basis of the things Labour have done wrong.

1) Labour have steadily increased taxes and stuff, even though they said they wouldnt.

2) More stealth taxes in the forms of increased council tax, stamp duty on houses, increasing road tax, etc etc are hurting the majority of middle class england, i.e my family and i. My parents work hard and a lot of their money goes to pay for things such as

3) Illegal immigrants who come here to blatantly take advantage of our benefits system. I'm not English, i'm British, of which i'm proud. My parents are also british. They came her in '83 after fleeing the communist regime of vietnam. They were very glad to be accepted by this country. They did not take advantage of the benefit system. I'm not saying that they didn't accept some sort of benefit to begin with...They needed something to get off on the right foot. Gradually they learnt, worked and after 20 odd years in this country, can rightfully say they've intergrated into the English community. It angers them to see that so called "refugees" come straight through a WHOLE load of european countries to get into Engand for obvious reasons. Anyway i'm not gonna continue my rant with immigrants, cos that is not why i'm here.

4)The single currency. Why is Blair not giving the people the chance to have a referendem on the Euro? We, as the people who got him there, should have a say in what will happen to the country and its Economy. The euro is weak, and many of the big players in the eurozone, such as Germany and France, have regretted the introduciton of it, as it has weakened their economies and thus done stuff to inflation, interest rates, etc.

5) My mum is a teacher. It was not so long ago that there was a very big dispute about pay and london weighting rates. Although the dispute was solved, my mum and many of her friends were directly hit by the consequences of labours faffing about and stuff.

6)various other strike actions from other working sectors. Their handling of the situations could have been a lot more diplomatic if they didn't have john prescott I don't agree with firefighters getting a 30% payrise in light of other factors, and also the train strikes and stuff, but Labour did not handle it well enough to gain a quicker compromise.

7) the NHS. I'm studying to become a doctor, and i know i will feel any actions that the government takes on the NHS. All i know is that there is a shortage of doctors and nurses, and it is going to take a lot to sort it out. I say privitisation is the key, which is what the conservatives were/are going to do.

um i think thats it.

i remember when it was the last local election and we had this labour woman talking about the local policies and such, and my mum wasn't in, but i told her my views on the Conservatives etc. I told her how Labour had let my mum down (with the teaching stuff) and that had influenced my view towards the conservatives. The labour woman was also a teacher, and therefore had also been let down. She admitted that labour, as a whole were underperforming and letting their voters down, but, in a local sense, they were the better party. I was just like this

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Originally posted by dj_mdma The problem with the Lib Dems is that because they have never had the chance to run the country, people are always gonna use that against them. My vote will be for the Conservatives. Why?. Although the Conservatives have principles and policies that will cast doubt in most voters minds, i will still go with them on the basis of the things Labour have done wrong.

u said the the prob with the lib dems is they have never had the chance to do anything and people are going to use that against them. yet you will only vote for the cons because of labours mistakes, even tho u dont like the tory's either.

so u are adding to the lib dems problem which isnt actually a problem they have made themselves but yet u wont give them a chance they should have, yet u vote for one of the other two u dont like...

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They did not take advantage of the benefit system. I'm not saying that they didn't accept some sort of benefit to begin with...They needed something to get off on the right foot. Gradually they learnt, worked and after 20 odd years in this country, can rightfully say they've intergrated into the English community. It angers them to see that so called "refugees" come straight through a WHOLE load of european countries to get into Engand for obvious reasons. Anyway i'm not gonna continue my rant with immigrants, cos that is not why i'm here.

Werd Lam. Like my mum arrived over here in the 60's and my grandfather worked his arse off on building sites for years, the problem with the asylum thing is as bad as this may sound to people but I've started to really take a dislike to Slavic or East European people, I see them in the streets they have the newest phones etc, and I walk past tramps who are born here and who are a damn sight more entitled to a house and benefits then they are.

I think Labours policies on immigration suck. Like the immigrants who burned down that massive camp they got a couple of years or got deported if you ask me they should of flown the ******s right over the middle of the Atlantic kicked them out mid flight with a parachute and say swim ******s swim.

The annoying thing aswell is the wars in their countries are over they need to go back and rebuild their countries.

When I worked as a tenancy participation officer for the council, the ammount of furious charity workers who ring you up because Mohammed Mohammed and his wife who is 2 months pregnent need a bigger house, it took the piss and it was like they don't work they don't speak English the ammount of times I felt like saying well why don't he learn English and get a fucking job like everyone else and rent a house or a flat. Its shite you used to get a case like that every couple of days I have no problem with it but when I have some butch tree hugging vegan militant dyke who works for some charity telling me that we were going against human rights really pisses me off, when I think about when my grandparents and my mother when they arrived in Liverpool in the 60's they had no fucking house my grandfather was promised a job but it wasn't there when he got off the boat.

I think it really piss takes these fucking Albanians pretending to be Kosovans I reckon they need to employ the Eastern European community to grass their own people out. Plus I think they need to be treated like utter shit when their caught to give out a message to the rest of them.

Now onto the crime problem.

In most crime ridden areas of towns and cities etc you have certain schemes which cut down crime etc, it will bring down the crime rates however them areas still have crime. The government are weak at throwing out council tenants and to slow at processing anti social disorder requests for an instance you need a lot more then one person to complain and they have to produce diaries of events etc and still even if a certain household is evicted they'll still end up moving to another area to ruin it or move a couple of streets away so they'll still have the chance to make the people the victimised lives a hell.

Other problems is the growing youth culture in crime, I think the law is too soft on young offenders and their parents, people I know who went to Juvi (Juvinile Detention Centre) went in for really shit stuff and because they were arrested about 20 or more times. The government need to carry out more anti social disorder injunctions against gangs of youths who add to the crime on estates, so they have effectivly a curfew also their not aloud to associate with certain people in their estates, and if that don't improve things they need to have a boot camp style camps where kids do hard labour a couple of months in a situation like that and trust me they would change.

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan they need to have a boot camp style camps where kids do hard labour a couple of months in a situation like that and trust me they would change.

Though I am loathed to agree to a policy that the Americans have, I actually think a boot camp for young offenders would be a good Idea. The re-offence rate is ridiculously small. It really does stop kids from going back to crime.

The boot camp system will work if you think of a group of 13-17 year old kids getting treated like shit, getting shouted at constantly, getting the occasional beating depending on how they act, being cut off from their friends and family, being showered down by hoses with cold water, and made to do hard labour from 6am - 6pm would be enough to teach them a lesson never to go down the wrong the track.

With anti social problems with in inner city areas and council estates, I don't think the injunctions work very well. Like there is one guy who has been all over the newspapers in Northampton and he's a crack dealer, pimp he's been involved in violent crime etc now he has been banned from 3 areas of Northampton he used to frequent, on saturday night we saw him in a pub about half a mile away so I don't think the anti social order worked to well there.

However from what I know working at the council etc we have some areas which were totally crime ridden. Like for an example in some streets with about 25 houses you would look at that street say when you had a complaint and log the complaint down then it would bring up all cases reported about that certain and around 10 of them houses on that street would have people living there who were career criminals and activly participating in crime, plus tons of complaints about them making the area shit along with people in the other streets etc.

Some cases we saw were terrible like people in blocks of flats been held hostage in their own home literaly, even though the info is confindential and all that shit I don't work at the council no more so fuck it lol, but I remember we had a case and it was this lady who lived in this flat on her own she was quite young etc and worked, and the block of flats had about 100 odd ppl living there all of which recieved housing benefits, some of the people didn't work some did however about 15 people in this block literaly terrorised everyone there. They would drive cars at people when they walked home outside the flats, none of these people worked and they literally had parties every night 7 days a week with about 40 ppl crammed into a tiny flat, I know for certain most of them were career criminals as most were unemployed but they had the money to party with, these parties would always finish at about 5am, but these parties would turn into mass brawls one occasion some people came out of their flats to see a lad who been stabbed over drug money etc stumbling down the stairs.

The lady who complained decided enough was enough she made a diary of every incident and I saw the log and it was terrible like 5 incidents a night, what she done aswell which was quite a stupid move was ask questions around the estate on these people and she got the name of the main offenders, however word got about the estate that she'd been asking about them and she got threatened constantly and assualted once or twice, they even attacked people who knew her in the flat and it got so bad they said they were going kill her which if given the chance they would of so one night they cut the phone wires and tried to break into her flat, she managed to get the police etc via her mobile but not much was done but the case was noted however they'd walk past her door booting it every minute of the day they were praticially waiting for her to leave the flat so she had to take about a week off work, in the end it had got so serious we had to relocate her to a very nice area as moving the main problem flat would of just got away one small lot of the scum in that estate.

But thats how bad crime is getting especially anti social behaviour I've seen tons of it aswell plus its very hard to prosecute under unless you have tons of evidence. Only problem is its not just one flat or house that causes the problem you have to find out everyone who is directly involved then take action.

This is where the government is fucking up on crime they need to make stricter anti social behaviour laws. Plus with recent uprising in gun crimes I think the government need to stop fucking about finding the police some stupid fucking spiderman style web guns or net gun and get every cop trained and sorted out with a firearm because face it now most criminals pack pieces these days.

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7) the NHS. I'm studying to become a doctor, and i know i will feel any actions that the government takes on the NHS. All i know is that there is a shortage of doctors and nurses, and it is going to take a lot to sort it out. I say privitisation is the key, which is what the conservatives were/are going to do.

I think privitisation of NHS is ridiculous, and to be honest saying that your only thinking about yourself, and your wages. Privitisation would mean middle class people like myself would have to pay for treatment... and to me i think thats ridiculous and i would strugle to afford such and i would say im lucky enough to be in the fairly high end of wealth as "middle class" goes.

look at the railways, they got privitised to supposedly make them better (by the tories by the way) and look what state they are in now, because of money-grabbing companies who are not in it to provide a service.

do you really want out NHS to end up like that?

we are incredibly lucky to have such a good system for free, regardless of its flaws. at least when you get knocked over by a car, you get picked up by an ambulance.. in the US you wont get picked up unless you have insurance documents with you. if you havent got insurance documents, they will take you home to get them first.

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Originally posted by tu_face look at the railways, they got privitised to supposedly make them better (by the tories by the way) and look what state they are in now, because of money-grabbing companies who are not in it to provide a service. do you really want out NHS to end up like that? we are incredibly lucky to have such a good system for free, regardless of its flaws. at least when you get knocked over by a car, you get picked up by an ambulance.. in the US you wont get picked up unless you have insurance documents with you. if you havent got insurance documents, they will take you home to get them first.

Exactly, maybe we have similar background & stuff mate, but people forget the tories did 20 years damage and u cant put that right in 7 years, we need someone to help us out a mess, not put us in one, the tories dont even have faith in IDS so how the hell can we, i will never in my life vote conservative

SNP for me......I want an independant Scotland

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Originally posted by Ian^ reign of terror

What the fuck.

Noone has a reign of terror. If they had death squads going round killing the elderly and weak, maybe so. But just privatising national services doesn't really constitute a 'reign of terror'.

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Originally posted by Shy Ted What the fuck. Noone has a reign of terror. If they had death squads going round killing the elderly and weak, maybe so. But just privatising national services doesn't really constitute a 'reign of terror'.

why be so picky..? do what saddam did and just kill everyone who gets in the way!

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Originally posted by Shy Ted What the fuck. Noone has a reign of terror. If they had death squads going round killing the elderly and weak, maybe so. But just privatising national services doesn't really constitute a 'reign of terror'.

seriously ted, my olds both work 40 odd hours a week yet they earn such a pittance that we can only just pay bills & can't always eat fully, we've paid taxes, duties, everything, and a lot was under the conservatives policies of making them rich & the poor poorer

Aye along with the death squads they should sterlise scallies so they can never reproduce.

A build new estates for them to live with a wall around it patrolled by armed guards.

haha, look at Duncan Smith squirm on tele..

"i love my wife dearly"

what the fuck has that got to do with anything you prat.

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Originally posted by tu_face look at the railways, they got privitised to supposedly make them better (by the tories by the way) and look what state they are in now, because of money-grabbing companies who are not in it to provide a service. do you really want out NHS to end up like that? we are incredibly lucky to have such a good system for free, regardless of its flaws. at least when you get knocked over by a car, you get picked up by an ambulance.. in the US you wont get picked up unless you have insurance documents with you. if you havent got insurance documents, they will take you home to get them first.

A wise man such as yourself would be welcomed in my political party Jeff! Would sir be interested?

My mum and dad have been telling me all my life what Conservatives did. My dad didnt have a job under them for 2 years, with 5 mouths to feed, my mum didnt work, and it is only now that our family is actually doing finacially well.

Every Government has its foult, otherwise there would be no need for oppositions to the governemnt. I think the problem is with this country is there is only one party capable of running th ecountry. Labour, imo, have not done all that too bad a job. As someone stated earlier, the NHS is always going to be criticised, no matter who is in govnment. People though should realise how bloody lucky we are to have the NHS. In usa, ur treatment depends on wwhat insurance u have. My g/f lives in usa and her mum cant have a transplant b'coz the insurance company wont pay out, and it would obviously cost way too much for the family to afford it, so what they doing? they arte giving her drugs and stuff? do we really want to go down that road? that builds a higher archy society that just spreads the distance between each class in our society, and trust me that is definatly the worng way to go.

IDS is laughable. Id be horrified if he was our PM. I cant take him seriously no matter what. I also find some of his polititians ennoying when they speak. I also dont think his own party actually like him.

I would vote lib dems if they were more in ur face lol. It seems that although they are growing, they are still arnt big enough, but soon enough i think their turn will come. PLus i think Kennedy is a top man lol

I wish though that the speed camaras and shit woudl change. Put the emphasis should be put on street crime rather than sitting down some fucking lane all day try to make a little petty cash from us hard paying citizens branding us criminals for going 5mph over the speed limit at 2am in the morning. They got nowt better to be fucking doing?

the fact is labour lie.

that makes them 100 times shitter than anyone else.



anyway i only vote lib dems coz they wanna abolish tuition fees

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Originally posted by LiveTheDream Am going to vote for the green party.

i coudl never vote green party, anti-nuclear power, pah!

I think to be honest if most people who said they'd liked to vote lib dems actually got off their arse and voted for them they would probably come into power.

And we wouldn't have to put up with that fucking Blair **** no more.

TBH though there will never be an ideal political party, If you find Labour Ideal at the moment and that their perfect there is something seriously fucking wrong with you same go's with Conservatives and Lib Dems.

Health Service - I think privatisation of the NHS for an instance is a difficult one however I think the NHS at the moment is a fucking mess due to the funding and in some cases the service it actually provides. What I would like to see happen with it is a review on all departments especially the management and getting rid of the middle management which exists in NHS. I think all major operations and emergencies should remain free for everyone. With the time wasters, this country is full of hypocondriacs who waste a lot of time and money which is put into the NHS, I would like to see these people get charged.

Also people who say play football or get on a horse and injure themselves slightly I think they should be charged as its was their choice to do that. If it wasn't their fault i.e they fell off working on the top of a roof or got knocked off their bike then It should be free and I think aswell I would extend that rule to old ppl and the poor. If you charged for shitty little things like that you would see a big rise in money for the NHS.

Schools - So many teachers complain about the money they get paid, well I would tell them to like it or fucking lump it they get nice long holidays. With their wages I think it should depend on pass rates or if they work at a school in very nasty deprived area then their entitled to get given more money.

The planning with schools aswell. We're planning a new sports deluxe swimming pool indoor stadium facilty for next year! we're planning to build a theatre, Cinema, English, Drama and Media block, when I see things like that it digusts me, because then you can guarentee they start complaining that the students don't have enough books or the correct equipment, before the government approve the plans for any new fancy facilities at school, I'd like to see an inspection of all equipment and all the facilities that exist at the school by a board of inspectors, as I think some schools get given too much.

Education - I would give people a choice carry on education untill 18 or leave and work at 16. Aswell as A levels I would have a vast ammount of NVQs & trades etc, so people can do trades at school in an apprenticeship, or train to get a certain skill for a certain job aswell, I think this will improve business as a whole as you will have trained workers and most of it mean better employment opportunities for young people.

Crime - I've mentioned this before with the boot camp ideas etc. Another thing as harsh as this sounds I would construct a brand new series of estates cut off from the rest of towns cities etc with one route in one route out, here I would move the worst families, the worst offenders, the most anti social people thus improving the estates which they live at the moment, in addition small police precincts can be constructed to watch over of the new estates and watch the trouble makers. Another thing with the police force I would give the police guns as criminals are packing pieces these days. Also I would really try hard to go out of my way to enlist more Black & Asian officers to get the trust of the Black & Asian communities.

Roads & Transport - I'm quite against toll roads as if you go to France their fucking everywhere there is too many. However half way across the UK I think there should be a toll point, the same with the borders of Scotland and Wales aswell. I personally think this will generate a lot of money to invest into maintaining the roads.

With Public Transport Buses I think need to be improved more a lot of people won't travel on them due to the state of buses. I would totally have a revamp and in areas where there is crime on buses I would have British Transport Police officers posted on certain buses going to dodgy areas.

The trains they definatly need to go public. I think the trains are an absolute fucking mess, the states their in and with the scandels which involve train companies. Privitisation don't work with transport and people like Richard Branson are laughing there heads off making ppl fork out �20 to sit in a empty carriage with something to rest your head on the back of the seat, and then you pay a tenner and you sit in a cramped shit carriage when 5 out of 16 odd carriages fit the people who pay 10 quid then others are for the people paying 20 something its totally stupid and fucked. Most trains need total revamps and I can't see some greedy company doing that.

Cities & Towns - I would have well more cities and not based on the stupid fucking law of having a cathedral some towns in this country are bigger then the cities. Also I think cities need to totally have revamps I love the old buildings etc but I think we're stuck in the dark ages sometimes, It would be nice to pass a British city and seeing some nice sky scrapers etc some decent highrise not some minging old industrial estates or some arcitecial monstrosity from the 1960s. It would just be nice to see some modern high rise, mixed in with the old buildings below, I would be a bit more lighter on planning permission etc and encourage companies and corperations to build huge sky scrapers etc to attract other companies to do the same setting up fiancial districts etc and this later will help to set up more jobs etc in areas.

The Armed Forces - I think the British Army has the best soldiers in the world, their training is fantastic and their highly efficent troops, however their equipment worries me. The radios are shite, the SA80 assualt rifle has too many problems, I think the government needs to pay various corperations to set industries for the British forces only, devloping new weapons, equipment and vechiles. I would set these industries up in areas of high unemployment thus supplying jobs for people.

The Airforce the same I would like to see a new program getting launched to build an effiencent standard jet fighter, aswell as more bombers and investing in new weapon systems.

The Navy. I think the Navys a fucking mess, Half the ships look like their from World War 2 but with a new paint job, they need to build a total brand new fleet of ships. I undestand Jeff Hoon ordered two years ago the building of two or three massive aircraft careers so thats all good, but two aircraft carriers ain't good enough the need to get stuff built up starting up more industries supplying ex shippers with more work etc.

These are the main things I'd improve.

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