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You see how Epic/Uplifting trance spawned the "Not Trance" genre.

It's all tripe.

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Originally posted by Chuck Norris LOL, no idea about trance? Why? Because he didn't put up any of the shit labelled as "trance" these days? Oh wait, there was some in the "Not Trance" section.

lol where are the classics then?for an angel?out of the blue?airwave?

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Originally posted by Toufas lol where are the classics then?for an angel?out of the blue?airwave?

For an Angel, Out of the Blue and Airwave are NOT CLASSICS.

That's like saying The Spice Girls are classics. Magic Cubes is a classic. Two Full Moons and a Trout is a classic. Age of Love is a classic.

It may be difficult for you to come to grips with this, but Paul van Dyk did not invent trance.

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Originally posted by Ishkur For an Angel, Out of the Blue and Airwave are NOT CLASSICS. That's like saying The Spice Girls are classics. Magic Cubes is a classic. Two Full Moons and a Trout is a classic. Age of Love is a classic. It may be difficult for you to come to grips with this, but Paul van Dyk did not invent trance.

Hahaha! I'm not worthy Ishkur...

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Originally posted by Ishkur For an Angel, Out of the Blue and Airwave are NOT CLASSICS. That's like saying The Spice Girls are classics. Magic Cubes is a classic. Two Full Moons and a Trout is a classic. Age of Love is a classic. It may be difficult for you to come to grips with this, but Paul van Dyk did not invent trance.

A classic for me is a tune that is still good a long time after its release. Doesn't matter when it was released, one year ago or ten years ago. Rank 1 - Airwave definitely is a classic for me and so are Age Of Love and Playing With The Voices In Germany, just to name a few.

Ishkur, one more thing. You should really revise your definition of uplifting trance. I mean, Castles in the Sky might sound uplifting to you, it isn't uplifting trance.

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Originally posted by DJPG Searching Google images for Zombie Nation to see if you were telling the truth, I managed to somehow find this live cazoo remix of Zombie Nation Zombie Nation cazoo Remix

TUUNNNEEE!!!!

zombie nation actually ripped off an old amiga game for kernkraft...and were sued

LMAO, that cazoo remix is hilarioous!

Shep

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Originally posted by Shepless LMAO, that cazoo remix is hilarioous! Shep

rofl, so true, sounds like it was made on those sound toys 2 year olds have : D: D:

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[b]Originally posted by CygnusX A classic for me is a tune that is still good a long time after its release. Doesn't matter when it was released,

Well, if it was a "a long time" then it DOES matter. How long does a track have to remain popular for it to become a "classic". A week? A month? 6 months? a year? Wow....how arbitrary. Technically every one hit wonder is a classic, then.

And what makes it a classic? The fact that some DJ played it on Global Underground Tunnel Tranceport Mission Force Vol. 892? Or that you heard it at a rave once and everyone liked it? Or Pete Tong played it on his Essential Mix radio show thus artificially inflating its value? Or that you and your trance cracker friends like it, but the mainstream doesn't (thereby safeguarding Darude, ATB, Ian van Dahl, and speaking of this thread, Zombie Nation from being TRUE trance classics? Or that it made you cry? heh.

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Ishkur, one more thing. You should really revise your definition of uplifting trance. I mean, Castles in the Sky might sound uplifting to you, it isn't uplifting trance.

Okay, I'll bite. Give me an example of this "uplifting" trance.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Well, if it was a "a long time" then it DOES matter. How long does a track have to remain popular for it to become a "classic". A week? A month? 6 months? a year? Wow....how arbitrary. Technically every one hit wonder is a classic, then. And what makes it a classic? The fact that some DJ played it on Global Underground Tunnel Tranceport Mission Force Vol. 892? Or that you heard it at a rave once and everyone liked it? Or Pete Tong played it on his Essential Mix radio show thus artificially inflating its value? Or that you and your trance cracker friends like it, but the mainstream doesn't (thereby safeguarding Darude, ATB, Ian van Dahl, and speaking of this thread, Zombie Nation from being TRUE trance classics? Or that it made you cry? heh.

Well, I said those tunes were classics to me. We're both actually saying that labelling a track as classic is a reflection of personal preference. So you can't speak of a subgenre of trance then, right?

Make a poll on this forum and ask whether Out Of The Blue, For An Angel and Airwave are classics and more than 90% will vote 'yes, of course'. Make a poll on a commercial dance forum and ask whether Castles In The Sky and Kernkraft 400 are classics and you'll probably get the same results.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Okay, I'll bite. Give me an example of this "uplifting" trance.

Use the search button
Here's an example thread.

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Originally posted by CygnusX Well, I said those tunes were classics to me.

And you're wrong. Your not listing classics then, your listing personal favourites.

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We're both actually saying that labelling a track as classic is a reflection of personal preference.

No we're not. You are. I'm speaking of classics as tracks that are 1) old and 2) have timeless quality. None of the ones you mentioned are either.

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Make a poll on this forum and ask whether Out Of The Blue, For An Angel and Airwave are classics and more than 90% will vote 'yes, of course'.

That's because those 90% are ignorant tools who didn't start listening to trance until they heard Sandstorm, and think DJ Sammy writes all his own songs. Polling them on what the best tracks are is like asking a group of children what the best food is. How can you live on a diet of candy and McDonalds?

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Use the search button Here's an example thread.

okay, here we go, a smattering of the tracks I could look up in that thread:

Yahel & Eyal Barkan - Voyage : generic Anthem Trance
Gouryella - Gouryella : generic Anthem Trance
System F - Out of the Blue : really bad Epic Trance
Westbam vs Red Jerry - Wizards of the Sonic (matt darey remix) : generic Anthem Trance
Solar Stone - Seven Cities : Ibiza Trance (hear the strings?)
Darren Tate - Let the light shine in : generic Anthem Trance
Rank 1 - Breathing : really bad Epic Trance
Gabriel & Dresden - As the Rush comes on : Epic Trance
Blank & Jones - After Love (signum mix) : generic Anthem Trance
Kansai - Remember This Night : really bad epic Trance
Conjure One - Tears From the Moon (Tiesto mix) : Epic Trance
William Orbit - Barber's Adagio for Strings (Ferry Corsten mix) : horrid Anthem Trance
Iio - At The End of Time : Epic Trance
Robert Lidstoem - My Spirit (transa mix) : VERY generic Anthem Trance
Exposure - Magic Impuls : generic Anthem Trance
Jose Amnesia - The Eternal : generic anthem Trance
Albert Vorne - Indigo Sky : really bad Epic Trance
Andain - Summer Calling (airwave mix) : Epic Trance
The Gift - Love Angel : really bad Epic Trance

Still looking for this aforementioned "Uplifting Trance" genre you guys harp on so much about.

Seriously though, the problem is in how you people categorize a genre such as "uplifting" trance. The only benchmark for defining that genre is in how it makes you feel. But others may have different interpretations based on how it makes them feel. In that very thread, someone says Solar Stone - Seven Cities is uplifting, yet another says its depressing. Well which is it?

This is a very selfish perception of music and probably confuses and antagonizes people more than anything else. We--as in the general audience who aren't voracious trance consumers--just want to know what the music is, not what the music is TO YOU.

Until you guys figure that out, no one will ever take anything you say seriously.

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Originally posted by Ishkur quote: Originally posted by CygnusX Make a poll on a commercial dance forum and ask whether Castles In The Sky and Kernkraft 400 are classics and you'll probably get the same results. That's because those 90% are ignorant tools who didn't start listening to trance until they heard Sandstorm, and think DJ Sammy writes all his own songs. Polling them on what the best tracks are is like asking a group of children what the best food is. How can you live on a diet of candy and McDonalds?

i'm pretty sure you meant to quote this, right?:

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Originally posted by CygnusX Make a poll on a commercial dance forum and ask whether Castles In The Sky and Kernkraft 400 are classics and you'll probably get the same results.

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Originally posted by Ishkur This is a very selfish perception of music and probably confuses and antagonizes people more than anything else. We--as in the general audience who aren't voracious trance consumers--just want to know what the music is, not what the music is TO YOU. Until you guys figure that out, no one will ever take anything you say seriously.

um, i'm sorry, what are you trying to say? that we're supposed to figure something out? and who is supposed to take what we say seriously? and who the fuck really cares if i call it uplifting trance or epic trance, why do we have to be so ANAL about genre labeling?

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Originally posted by Ishkur okay, here we go, a smattering of the tracks I could look up in that thread: Yahel & Eyal Barkan - Voyage : generic Anthem Trance Gouryella - Gouryella : generic Anthem Trance System F - Out of the Blue : really bad Epic Trance Westbam vs Red Jerry - Wizards of the Sonic (matt darey remix) : generic Anthem Trance Solar Stone - Seven Cities : Ibiza Trance (hear the strings?) Darren Tate - Let the light shine in : generic Anthem Trance Rank 1 - Breathing : really bad Epic Trance Gabriel & Dresden - As the Rush comes on : Epic Trance Blank & Jones - After Love (signum mix) : generic Anthem Trance Kansai - Remember This Night : really bad epic Trance Conjure One - Tears From the Moon (Tiesto mix) : Epic Trance William Orbit - Barber's Adagio for Strings (Ferry Corsten mix) : horrid Anthem Trance Iio - At The End of Time : Epic Trance Robert Lidstoem - My Spirit (transa mix) : VERY generic Anthem Trance Exposure - Magic Impuls : generic Anthem Trance Jose Amnesia - The Eternal : generic anthem Trance Albert Vorne - Indigo Sky : really bad Epic Trance Andain - Summer Calling (airwave mix) : Epic Trance The Gift - Love Angel : really bad Epic Trance Still looking for this aforementioned "Uplifting Trance" genre you guys harp on so much about.

you call some those "bad epic trance" and "generic anthem trance", but my point is that what you say sounds like what sandstorm lovers would say about electronica... "it's all techno". it seems like you yourself have no clue about trance, yet you know about other styles, so you just call everything "bad epic trance" and "generic anthem trance" with the only difference that you can distinguish techno from hard house






this is genreism, people, this is what society's been doing to others for years - generalizing them into groups and discriminating against them... this is racism in electronic music.... i say, WHO GIVES A SHIT what genre it is, uplifting, melodic, epic, or shitty, just listen to it and PLEASE stop trying to stuff your own opinions down other people's throats

fuckin werd
i mean honestly, most of the aforementioned songs are uplifting to most people
songs like janeiro...to me its really uplifting and if anyone wants to say otherwise thats fine, but i believe that the majority of people would call it the same
personally I like to call it morning trance cause whether or not its uplifting to you most people likes that type of stuff to cheer em up
anyways, this genreism stuff isn't complete shit, its a good way to recommend music similar to other songs
but when you take it to the point where its just anal people arguing over whether something's good or not....good is fucking subjective
ishkur says stuff's bad, others don't

if you disagree.... don't listen

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Originally posted by mezzir but when you take it to the point where its just anal people arguing over whether something's good or not....good is fucking subjective ishkur says stuff's bad, others don't if you disagree.... don't listen

that's the point, it's good to classify tunes SIMILAR to the ones you like, but if you get anal and start flame wars over it, you should just stfu.


and ishkur doesn't just say stuff's bad, he says we're wrong in what we say and we're wrong because we listen to that bad stuff, at least how i take his subliminal words. that's just not nice, no other genre is superior, there is good music and there is bad music...

there is a guy in two in my classes who listens to death metal and wears black clothes with words like "death", "breakneck", "blood", and etc. on them... i absolutely hate death metal and i hate black clothes with violence on them, but nonetheless i'm absolutely friendly with the guy because i have nothing against his tastes - if he likes it, that's totally fine with me unless he starts shoving death metal cds down my throat. taste is subjective and shouldn't be argued about, my point is that you should NEVER EVER look down at someone because of what they listen to, respect other people's tastes. i would never do that to people and that's why it annoys me when people say that what i listen to is shit. people are different and they have different tastes. this horse has been beaten so much, there's probably nothing left of it already. WE SHOULD NEVER EVER argue about tastes and we should never put other people down because of what they like.

that is all, my .02

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Originally posted by whiskers and ishkur doesn't just say stuff's bad, he says we're wrong in what we say and we're wrong because we listen to that bad stuff, at least how i take his subliminal words. that's just not nice, no other genre is superior, there is good music and there is bad music...

rarrr, right

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[b]Originally posted by whiskers figure something out? and who is supposed to take what we say seriously? and who the fuck really cares if i call it uplifting trance or epic trance, why do we have to be so ANAL about genre labeling?

I dunno, you people started it when you began filling my inbox with complaints of "that's not epic trance, that's uplifting trance!!!"

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you call some those "bad epic trance" and "generic anthem trance", but my point is that what you say sounds like what sandstorm lovers would say about electronica... "it's all techno".

For what it's worth, Sandstorm is easily a better song than every track listed above.

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Originally posted by whiskers and ishkur doesn't just say stuff's bad, he says we're wrong in what we say and we're wrong because we listen to that bad stuff, at least how i take his subliminal words. that's just not nice, no other genre is superior, there is good music and there is bad music...

I would completely agree with you, except I can't. I used to love trance. I used to love what it did to me. But everything that's come out in the last 4-5 years keeps pushing me away. I keep hoping this pompous, hands-in-the-air, overblown anthem shit would go away like a smelly fart that ruins the party, but its not. In fact, it just keeps getting worse. It honestly makes me nauseous and sick to my stomach when I hear it now. You call it uplifting? I call it insulting.

I always get the image now of trance producers in the studio listening to their over-the-top epics, and exclaiming "NO! I want it BIGGER! FULLER! GRANDER! I want this to be the most highest, most exalted, most extravangant trance song of all time!" And each of them try to outdo each other, try to make each of their tracks more skyreaching than last week's chart topper.

I have watched this music sell itself completely down the river long enough. This music is sick, people. And it is betraying the beautiful artform of trance. It is the musical equivalent of tracking mud all over your house. What the hell am I supposed to do?

CAN'T ANYONE SUGGEST SOME GOOD FUCKING TRANCE FOR ONCE?!?!?!

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Originally posted by Ishkur CAN'T ANYONE SUGGEST SOME GOOD FUCKING TRANCE FOR ONCE?!?!?!

Why don't you make a start and give us a lecture about how "trance" should sound like. With examples.

right on there Ishkur, its about time we got someone on here that knows what there talking about, 100% of what you've said is all true

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Originally posted by Ishkur CAN'T ANYONE SUGGEST SOME GOOD FUCKING TRANCE FOR ONCE?!?!?!

what about Legend B- Act Of fear remix 6:04
Avalonge - Scream (hardtrance version) 8:19
or Analog Communications - Atmospheric Forces

I think trance needs to go back to 1995, back when it was real,
cause today its just not "trance"

I agree wholeheartedly with everything Ishkur has been saying.

Trance (for the most part) is a genre of music that doesn't have soul.

Take other genres like tech house etc...alot of that has that certain groove of soul in it.

Trance is just a genre watered down with pads and leads repeated over and over again. It's too obvious. It tries too hard.

This is why i'm more into progressive these days. Trance was cool...for a little while...but I'm not all over it these days. Simply because every damn song sounds the same. Originality is at a great loss.

i absolutely love it how people are still beating the uplifting trance topic to death.


TASTE


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that is all, why do i even bother, it's like arguing with a tape recorder. all i'm ever gonna hear back to my replies is "trance sucks"

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Originally posted by Ishkur For what it's worth, Sandstorm is easily a better song than every track listed above.

Proof this guy is a moron...

and um Yahel - Voyage isnt epic or uplidting trance...more like along the lines of psy....

however i agree that the term "uplifting" is very subjective...that is why i havent used it in a few years...as is the term "melodic" which used to get thrown around alot...

and a classic is a tune that represents a time in the evolution of trance that made a statement in the scene....so Airwave is by far a Classic, as our tunes like Universal Nation and Cloudwalking...and many others...For an Angel is not....

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Originally posted by Ishkur I would completely agree with you, except I can't. I used to love trance. I used to love what it did to me. But everything that's come out in the last 4-5 years keeps pushing me away. I keep hoping this pompous, hands-in-the-air, overblown anthem shit would go away like a smelly fart that ruins the party, but its not. In fact, it just keeps getting worse. It honestly makes me nauseous and sick to my stomach when I hear it now. You call it uplifting? I call it insulting. I always get the image now of trance producers in the studio listening to their over-the-top epics, and exclaiming "NO! I want it BIGGER! FULLER! GRANDER! I want this to be the most highest, most exalted, most extravangant trance song of all time!" And each of them try to outdo each other, try to make each of their tracks more skyreaching than last week's chart topper. I have watched this music sell itself completely down the river long enough. This music is sick, people. And it is betraying the beautiful artform of trance. It is the musical equivalent of tracking mud all over your house. What the hell am I supposed to do? CAN'T ANYONE SUGGEST SOME GOOD FUCKING TRANCE FOR ONCE?!?!?!

i agree with that statement 10000000%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%......since early 2002 to today atleast to me it has been shit anthems....

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Why don't you make a start and give us a lecture about how "trance" should sound like. With examples.

okay, done. Now what do I do?

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