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Originally posted by Renegade "In communist Russia, messenger shoots you!" Anyway I'm not sure how I got dragged into this. I'm not one of these lackeys who instantly believes everything the media or the president of China tells me, but given I wasn't really familiar with this situation before you brought it up, I figured it was worth at least "mentioning" what China feels (or say they feel) about the situation. Besides, why should I immediately believe that your word is more reliable than that of the media or Hu Jintao? How do we know that China isn't pointing missiles at Taiwan? How do we know that it isn't in the best interests of the Taiwanese to purchase patriots from the US to defend themselves from a possible missile attack? (Now you've gone and done it. You've actually made me stand up for US foreign policy - how did that happen? )

they are just jealous of aussies ren, don worry bout it

I will say one more thing that if you haven;t travelled and experienced first hand what the world truly is like outside your safe daily lives in the western world then you need to do so becasue it will change forever how you think about this world. My views on this world are immensely different than they were 2 years ago..before I travelled and saw first hand what is really going on in the world and how most people think besides america

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Originally posted by occrider See ... this happens a lot more frequentely than he portrays. He likes to use the American flag a lot, I've seen it!

You know, you're right. I've always tried to hide my love for the GOP under a facade of low-key hostility, but it's only since the wonderful John Ashcroft and some large men from the DOJ showed up at my door and whisked me away for some "re-programming" that I've realised the error of my ways. Now I have an uncontrollable urge to whistle pieces composed by John Philip Sousa and paint pictures of George Bush shaking hands with Jesus.

I LOVE BIG BR.... er.... GEORGE BUSH.

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they are just jealous of aussies ren, don worry bout it

Heh, who isn't?

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u By staying out of their business. America think's it's the world's police force. YOu think america is free,.. But they control the world with their corporate greed. 10 % of the people in America own 90% of the wealth....90% of the people own 10% of the wealth how is that free..the richer ger richer...it's so messed up it's unbelievable.

this is the same situation in most countries.

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Originally posted by raynbo Well, I'm American but yeah, I think the country needs to pull back and let the rest of the world have its culture back. And some degree of peace. And that must be a long statement!

True dat!

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Originally posted by blazed it this is the same situation in most countries.

actually I think you are very wrong there....

I really really want to comment on this, but as stated by my opponent, another GOP far-right high powered conservative who's 2nd in command (how's that for blatant hints?), I really don't know where to start.

As much as I disagree with this Admin's policies, and as much as I'd like to agree with your sweeping generalizations on American attitudes and corporate globalization mentality, I cannot really agree with your prejudices on Americans in general. As my opponent, Dick Cheney, has so rightously set me straight in another thread, the idea of corporate capitalism is not about politics, but the almighty dollar (or whatever your given country's currency). In truth, most countries, including your own, give many corporations the nod to do as they will at the expense of the common good (that's a real sweeping generalization, but bare with me). The fact that American corporations may likely be leading the charge does not, in any way, take away the lack of ethics and morality of other countries' corporations to run amok. I suspect Canada has it's fare share in this aspect.

Much more could be said. Much much more. But I've got cuts on my fingers, and it hurts like hell to type (boo f$cking hoo for me). So I'll wait until my little boo boos heal.

Actually, I was more so referencing the US should stay out of Taiwan's business part. That's somewhat analagous to the US should mind its own business when it comes to S. Korea. Both states would probably have their "own" business to mind for approximately the same amount of time it takes for me to drink a beer ... I'll be generous and say a pint of beer.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I really really want to comment on this, but as stated by my opponent, another GOP far-right high powered conservative who's 2nd in command (how's that for blatant hints?), I really don't know where to start. As much as I disagree with this Admin's policies, and as much as I'd like to agree with your sweeping generalizations on American attitudes and corporate globalization mentality, I cannot really agree with your prejudices on Americans in general. As my opponent, Dick Cheney, has so rightously set me straight in another thread, the idea of corporate capitalism is not about politics, but the almighty dollar (or whatever your given country's currency). In truth, most countries, including your own, give many corporations the nod to do as they will at the expense of the common good (that's a real sweeping generalization, but bare with me). The fact that American corporations may likely be leading the charge does not, in any way, take away the lack of ethics and morality of other countries' corporations to run amok. I suspect Canada has it's fare share in this aspect. Much more could be said. Much much more. But I've got cuts on my fingers, and it hurts like hell to type (boo f$cking hoo for me). So I'll wait until my little boo boos heal.

Damn I mean really what the fuck???? I mean it's funny cause in this section all I mostly read about is debates about the US. Why can't you just admist your country sucks! It's a breading ground for assholes. You sit here and critize your country but when someone else from another country does it..watch out.. I know it's natural to defend your country but admist you have a lot of problems that have to be changed. It's not just the governent either. It's tha attitude of the people. There is a reason there are sweeping generalizations because the it's the way the majority of you act. That is a problem. When you come to our country or when I have travelled through the US ..it's there and you don;t realize it. So -don;t sit there and try and make a case with your usless political information that means nothing. I said from the start that no country was perfect. Ofcoarse you can always make a case for anything. But in the US , a country so welathy ...you have the biggest gap in the poor and the rich and you do nothing about it. Tthere is corporate greed everywhere but not like in your country. It's sickening. Do you see all over the news every few months of another company being investigated for corruption? Or companies like Enron Etc....No because goverments in ohter countries do not infact let companies run amokquite like they do in the US. The US prompotes corporate greed ! Promoates lettting the rich get icher while the poor suffer. I mean you don;t even have a decent health care system but you have a huge military. I agree with you there ....I'd be scared to reduce the size of my military becasue goodness knows how many countries in the world wanna piece of you. Canada doesn't have companies acting like they do in the US and our politicans aren;t rich from the riligous and powerful lobby grous you have in the US . We have spending limits on our elections. I mean 83 million raised for an election for one person. >??? That's just stupid! plain and simple..You have more companies that anyone else companies that go into other countries and have for the most part little or no benifit for that country exceot to make your $$$$$. I mean I can keep going on and on and my fingers don;t hurt and I will but I have to go to work soon. I would tell you Americans to do something about it but what can you do...the rich control and decide who gets elected in the US. So what are you going to do about it nothing. You are so proud of country? I can still travel around the world with the canadian flag on my back? Can you do that? You wanna know the surprising thing> ?? I had some friends just get back from Iran and the middle east telling me that that actually most of the people there except fot the government envy the US because the government is so surpessive that they will believe anything that is the opposite of what the government tells them. Until some of them are lucky enough to get out of the country and find their way to the US and realize that the american dream is all a sham! And that they end up being worse off in the US becasue there is no land of oppurtunity. Do you wanna know what it really comes down to this that I believe in....when you have it better than someone else you should do good or help your fellow human out. I'm proud that we have that sense of understanding in Canada. There is a reason why Canada is not is not picked on....actually the only country who seems to like to pick on us is America? and the idiot us ambassodor Paul Ceculli ...who likes to open his mouth and talk shit while no one is actually listening, empty threats because we didn't wanna join the war in Iraq. But ofcoarse when the US needed money and support for Iraq he comes back saying that we're good friends and that is all behind us now.....Stay out of our business. Our goverment is doing alot better than yours!

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u But ofcoarse when the US needed money and support for Iraq he comes back saying that we're good friends and that is all behind us now.....Stay out of our business. Our goverment is doing alot better than yours!

It is called the game of politics,and it is a very dirty game sometimes.
It seems to me that u are very upset with America in general,but I cant really see if u have problems with American people or the their government or both?? I personally DONT like the American Foriegn policies,infacet I hate it,and believe me there are alot more people who feel the same,and the number is rising.
Iam also Canadian(born in Iran ) and I must say that we have great country,and Iam glad that I live here,but Idont see the point of u comparing Canada and U.S,I mean they are totally different countries,just happend to be neighbors.
and about ur comment about psople in Iran wanting to go and live in the U.S and then regreting it,it is true,I mean people who live in Iran are so desprate to get out,and I dont blame them,and god knows why they think U.S is their saviour to end the current regime,but not all of them agree on this ofcourse,for their own sake I hope the U.S wont get involve if there is going be another revolution.

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u Damn I mean really what the fuck???? I mean it's funny cause in this section all I mostly read about is debates about the US. Why can't you just admist your country sucks! It's a breading ground for assholes. You sit here and critize your country but when someone else from another country does it..watch out.. I know it's natural to defend your country but admist you have a lot of problems that have to be changed. It's not just the governent either. It's tha attitude of the people. There is a reason there are sweeping generalizations because the it's the way the majority of you act. That is a problem. When you come to our country or when I have travelled through the US ..it's there and you don;t realize it. So -don;t sit there and try and make a case with your usless political information that means nothing. I said from the start that no country was perfect. Ofcoarse you can always make a case for anything. But in the US , a country so welathy ...you have the biggest gap in the poor and the rich and you do nothing about it. Tthere is corporate greed everywhere but not like in your country. It's sickening. Do you see all over the news every few months of another company being investigated for corruption? Or companies like Enron Etc....No because goverments in ohter countries do not infact let companies run amokquite like they do in the US. The US prompotes corporate greed ! Promoates lettting the rich get icher while the poor suffer. I mean you don;t even have a decent health care system but you have a huge military. I agree with you there ....I'd be scared to reduce the size of my military becasue goodness knows how many countries in the world wanna piece of you. Canada doesn't have companies acting like they do in the US and our politicans aren;t rich from the riligous and powerful lobby grous you have in the US . We have spending limits on our elections. I mean 83 million raised for an election for one person. >??? That's just stupid! plain and simple..You have more companies that anyone else companies that go into other countries and have for the most part little or no benifit for that country exceot to make your $$$$$. I mean I can keep going on and on and my fingers don;t hurt and I will but I have to go to work soon. I would tell you Americans to do something about it but what can you do...the rich control and decide who gets elected in the US. So what are you going to do about it nothing. You are so proud of country? I can still travel around the world with the canadian flag on my back? Can you do that? You wanna know the surprising thing> ?? I had some friends just get back from Iran and the middle east telling me that that actually most of the people there except fot the government envy the US because the government is so surpessive that they will believe anything that is the opposite of what the government tells them. Until some of them are lucky enough to get out of the country and find their way to the US and realize that the american dream is all a sham! And that they end up being worse off in the US becasue there is no land of oppurtunity. Do you wanna know what it really comes down to this that I believe in....when you have it better than someone else you should do good or help your fellow human out. I'm proud that we have that sense of understanding in Canada. There is a reason why Canada is not is not picked on....actually the only country who seems to like to pick on us is America? and the idiot us ambassodor Paul Ceculli ...who likes to open his mouth and talk shit while no one is actually listening, empty threats because we didn't wanna join the war in Iraq. But ofcoarse when the US needed money and support for Iraq he comes back saying that we're good friends and that is all behind us now.....Stay out of our business. Our goverment is doing alot better than yours!

You should organize your thoughts and put them in paragraphs to make it easier to read. Its really difficult to follow the text in the manner presented.

Some countries did not support the US invasion of Iraq, this is true, but these countries are still allies (friends) of the US and you must acknowledge that BECAUSE of the US, many many people in this world are able to sleep at night, to feel safe. I believe that the reason Taiwan is NOT a part of China today is because of the mere existance of the US as a super power.

Of course, Bush and the current administration are not popular throughout the world. They have exhibited a blatent disregard for the global community and for the "little" people of their own country.

However, the Americans will have an opportunity to vote again shortly. Hopefully, more than 40-50% of registered voters, more than 30 - 40% of eligible voters, will actually get out and vote. That could make a difference in the next administration.

USA is not perfect. However, it is a far better place than most other places which is why people want to come here. In the USA, anyone has an opportunity to better himself. In a large portion of the world there are huge groups of children who will never have opportunities. Maybe, Canada is better. I won't argue. I wouldn't know. I just know that USA is better than a lot of other places. If you know what I mean. Denmark is probably the best place but we won't go there.

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u Damn I mean really what the fuck???? I mean it's funny cause in this section all I mostly read about is debates about the US. Why can't you just admist your country sucks! It's a breading ground for assholes. You sit here and critize your country but when someone else from another country does it..watch out.. I know it's natural to defend your country but admist you have a lot of problems that have to be changed. It's not just the governent either. It's tha attitude of the people. There is a reason there are sweeping generalizations because the it's the way the majority of you act. That is a problem. When you come to our country or when I have travelled through the US ..it's there and you don;t realize it.

Tread VERY carefully here. Generalizations, racist remarks, and open flaming of entire groups of people will not be tolerated. The mods don't frequent here very often but they WILL suspend you for remarks such as this if you keep it up. Even if I were to make a stupid ass generalization such as: The brits are the rudest, most assholish people out there, and actually provide a source -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2137729.stm

to establish some kind of silly inference, I would still be a wrong, dumbass for making that kind of generalization. So my advice to you is to restrain the rhetoric before somebody takes serious offense and reports you to a mod.

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So -don;t sit there and try and make a case with your usless political information that means nothing.

I'm afraid you're in the wrong forum with that kind of mentality.

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I said from the start that no country was perfect. Ofcoarse you can always make a case for anything. But in the US , a country so welathy ...you have the biggest gap in the poor and the rich and you do nothing about it. Tthere is corporate greed everywhere but not like in your country. It's sickening.

Perhaps you should reference this source from now on:

http://www.undp.org/hdr2003/indicator/

It should provide a basic reference guide of information for you to consult before you make such claims.

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Do you see all over the news every few months of another company being investigated for corruption? Or companies like Enron Etc....No because goverments in ohter countries do not infact let companies run amokquite like they do in the US. The US prompotes corporate greed ! Promoates lettting the rich get icher while the poor suffer. I mean you don;t even have a decent health care system but you have a huge military. I agree with you there ....I'd be scared to reduce the size of my military becasue goodness knows how many countries in the world wanna piece of you. Canada doesn't have companies acting like they do in the US and our politicans aren;t rich from the riligous and powerful lobby grous you have in the US .

Well actually just recentely Russia took down one of its major oligarchs:

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily..._8820_db039.htm

Furthermore, simply because American corporate scandals are overly publisized in the western media, don't let that paint you an inaccurate picture of world affairs ... why don't you look into:

The Allied Irish Banks Scandal
The Vatican Bank Scandal
The Bank of Credit and Commerce International Scandal
The Barings Bank Scandal
The Bre-X Scandal
The Credit Lyonnais Scandal
The Daiwa Bank Scandal
The Metallgesellschaft AG Scandal
The Lloyd's of London and the Insurance Industry
The Madhav Patel and Solo Industries Maritime Fraud
Equitable Life Scandal
The Sumitomo Corp. Scandal

etc., etc., etc.

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We have spending limits on our elections. I mean 83 million raised for an election for one person. >??? That's just stupid! plain and simple..You have more companies that anyone else companies that go into other countries and have for the most part little or no benifit for that country exceot to make your $$$$$. I mean I can keep going on and on and my fingers don;t hurt and I will but I have to go to work soon. I would tell you Americans to do something about it but what can you do...the rich control and decide who gets elected in the US. So what are you going to do about it nothing.

It's an issue of civil liberties ... intelligentely discussed not too long ago if you would like to do a search.

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You are so proud of country? I can still travel around the world with the canadian flag on my back? Can you do that?

As long as I don't meet any close-minded, ignorant people, yes.

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You wanna know the surprising thing> ?? I had some friends just get back from Iran and the middle east telling me that that actually most of the people there except fot the government envy the US because the government is so surpessive that they will believe anything that is the opposite of what the government tells them. Until some of them are lucky enough to get out of the country and find their way to the US and realize that the american dream is all a sham! And that they end up being worse off in the US becasue there is no land of oppurtunity. Do you wanna know what it really comes down to this that I believe in....when you have it better than someone else you should do good or help your fellow human out. I'm proud that we have that sense of understanding in Canada. There is a reason why Canada is not is not picked on....actually the only country who seems to like to pick on us is America? and the idiot us ambassodor Paul Ceculli ...who likes to open his mouth and talk shit while no one is actually listening, empty threats because we didn't wanna join the war in Iraq. But ofcoarse when the US needed money and support for Iraq he comes back saying that we're good friends and that is all behind us now.....Stay out of our business. Our goverment is doing alot better than yours!

I'm more inclined than ever to adopt the strategy discussed in this thread:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...light=ISolation

Although I'm not sure if that would bode well for Taiwan ...

There is always a comeback for everything

You know I Did some thinking and I didi get a little out of hand ...but you arguements still aren't very convincing. The fact is you you should be setting a better example on the world stage and you are not.. And you haven;t been for quite sometime and that there is trend here and it's deeply rooted in your society.And a major part of the world has a problem with the way you conduct business. You think America has to protect the world and through war! When will people change>?? never prolly and I fear that is going to be the end of us.

You not everyone in the world wants what america wants. And as far as gettting kicked off ..it'll do me some good...my g/f woke up to the sound of tying at 4 am this morning and freaked on me haha

And yes Occridder I know most of those scandals but they don;t happen in the frequency they do in America. Also you would walk around indonesia and the middle east with an american flag on your backpac?? Go ahead and try it.....I highly doubt you would....Ever been there???????

Please Occrider?? I also wanna know?? How much travelling have you done? ?How much real life experience have you had besides the piles of information and quotes here and quotes there and you should look at this......????? Like I said there is always a source for an argument and you said it yourself. Most people liek to sit back and just say things without experiencing things first hand and really only have knowledge from the media.

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Well actually just recentely Russia took down one of its major oligarchs:

yes I know all about that too.....but you see Russia does something about it's corrupt oil companies> Unlike america keeps them around so they help politicans win elections

yes I know these replies are scttered but I have 10 min breaks inbetween teaching classes

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u I will say one more thing that if you haven;t travelled and experienced first hand what the world truly is like outside your safe daily lives in the western world then you need to do so becasue it will change forever how you think about this world. My views on this world are immensely different than they were 2 years ago..before I travelled and saw first hand what is really going on in the world and how most people think besides america

I for one, am very irritated at the way you are generalizing things. I have traveled all over the world, and I live in America. My family was born and raised in Poland, and I am the only American born.

From the looks of it, not only are you generalizing most of what you are saying, you seem to be making a fantastic effort to back these claims because you've been out of your country. Guess what sugar, I've been all over the world, but I would not dare make such thoughtless claims as you are making.

I have my own formed opinions on America, and a lot of them are negative, but then a lot of them are positive. If I do remember correctly... Which country is normally the one to jump on its feet to help a country in need? Oh yes, thats right, America. And true, we do make poor decisions from time to time, but what country does not? And as many as there are countries that look down on America, there are still as many, if not twice as many, ready to take our backs.

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I said there is always a source for an argument and you said it yourself. Most people liek to sit back and just say things without experiencing things first hand and really only have knowledge from the media.

So what, you think that since you've been to a country or two that suddenly makes you all knowledgable and powerful, and provides you the right to make such moronic statements?

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I know most of those scandals but they don;t happen in the frequency they do in America.

The only reason why you don't know about those other scandals is because you don't have first hand access to news about them. Since America happens to be your neighboring country, it is more likely you will hear news about its doings than you would say about Mexico. Same as Spain knows all of Portugals news.

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The fact is you you should be setting a better example on the world stage and you are not

And you, backlashing on the country that would probably be at your defense, are setting a good example?

Think next time before you post, and learn how to make paragraph breaks.

Yeah yeah keep it coming ... a country or two???? ahhahah quite a few more than that!!! Your time is coming america!

And I have access to new all over the world . I read media all over the world actually.....not just the ones that are owned by a few elite.....and Actually I don;t think I am powerful...it's america that thinks it is and should be the world police force "Sugar!" By the way it's 48 countries I have been too on 6 continents

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u Yeah yeah keep it coming ... a country or two???? ahhahah quite a few more than that!!! Your time is coming america!

You highly amuse me. You say you teach, and yet you make these moronic claims that make no one do anything else other than laugh.

Our time is coming? I'd say by the way you're speaking, you're going to end up with someone swiftly punching you straight in your face. I don't doubt that the hit will have any effect on your brain capacity however, and I'm sure that the world will unfortunately not be rid of one who speaks so childishly and irrationally as yourself.

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I have my own formed opinions on America, and a lot of them are negative, but then a lot of them are positive. If I do remember correctly... Which country is normally the one to jump on its feet to help a country in need? Oh yes, thats right, America. And true, we do make poor decisions from time to time, but what country does not? And as many as there are countries that look down on America, there are still as many, if not twice as many, ready to take our backs.

Yeah Uh what does Canada do>?? Yeah oh yeah America helps countries by bombing the crap out of them???? Violence is the solution?

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u Yeah Uh what does Canada do>?? Yeah oh yeah America helps countries by bombing the crap out of them???? Violence is the solution?

Good question. What does Canada do? Since you seem to be in all defense of your country, what has Canada done to help any suffering countries?

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Our time is coming? I'd say by the way you're speaking, you're going to end up with someone swiftly punching you straight in your face. I don't doubt that the hit will have any effect on your brain capacity however, and I'm sure that the world will unfortunately not be rid of one who speaks so childishly and irrationally as yourself.

Violence Violence ..the only thing america understands.....it is quite sad.

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Good question. What does Canada do? Since you seem to be in all defense of your country, what has Canada done to help any suffering countries?

Actually canada lets in the most foriegn immigrants per capita in the world and if You don;t know what Canada does for foriegn aid and peace keeping well then you don;t know anything

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u Actually canada lets in the most foriegn immigrants per capita in the world and if You don;t know what Canada does for foriegn aid and peace keeping well then you don;t know anything

I do know what Canada does for foreign aid. I also know that not many foreigners want to necessarily go to Canada. I'm speaking in the terms of helping countries that are in war.

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