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Originally posted by Wicked Neo Without warning or proper backup ? ? ? I PMed u as soon as i suspended you, giving my reasons for suspending you, it was not a hasty decison as i also explained to you in PM. I explained the fact that i did some research into the matter myself and came to that conclusion and then i gave you the chance to explain your actions and posts, also requesting you from you websites etc where i could check out the veiws you were posting about.

You didnt even give me a warning. You just went away and suspended me. If you had told me to watch my words or try not to "bullshit" i would have taken that into consideration.

Its the very fact that I had to re-explain myself to you that has made this an issue. That my viewpoints were condemned becuase they are spreading "terrorist propaganda". I still have not received a proper explaination as to the exact reason, which thread, what racist comment i made in order for this suspension to take place. If there isnt a specific one, I feel that i have been suspended becuase of my stance. Which is to protect human life regardless of race.

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I DO NOT SUSPEND OR BAN PPL FOR THE SAKE OF IT ! If i suspend you or ban you then that means i have taken the trouble to read thru your posts, to see if there is a history of an offence, etc etc.

This again is the problem, that you beleive my viewpoints are offencive.

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Next time before you post i suggest you consider the real facts, and not bullshit, the truth is that i gave you every chance to argue your side. The reason you are able to post in here is thanks to me, because i took into account what u was saying to me in PM, if that had not been the case, your suspension from this forum would still stand ! !

Neo, im not arguing with you, these are just my feelings after what you did. i dont want to coninue this. But if my sources in which i explained myself to you are bullshit, then why am i posting right now? Becuase you realized that i had a legitemate argument and i wasnt a anti-semetic, or hateful of all israeli's.

Thats what some people might have tried to make you think. If you look back at my posts, thenyou will see that im for human rights. I condemn terrorism in all its costumes.

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Originally posted by occrider He didn't. He may have gone overboard on a few of his posts in his vehemance against terrorists, however he didn't hate ALL arabs as you so describe. That would be somewhat humorous since he himself is an occidental arab. He DID hate the Palestinian mentality to establish a culture of violence against jews (regardless of whether it is a justificable occurence or not) but he did not possess ill will towards the arab race as a whole. I've had many a discussion with him over pms on this issue.

You and I know he is an out right racist pig. His posts impied this. That arabs were after all jews and that their blood was mage from out of terrorism.

In fact, when an arab wanted to make a new soda, he said it would be really arab when they add some terrorist blood.

Im sure if he was really an "arab" jew, he would not choose the words he did.

Occider, you may have had pm's with him, but people here in the toronto forums have told me that he is the most racist person they have ever met. And you should have seent he face they had when they told me this, as if they swallowed bad medicine.

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Well I was referencing some of his earlier bannings which were for no apparent reason at all. I fully agreed with the latest spamming suspension (and said so directly to him myself over pms) but with regards to some earlier instances I felt the modding was being extremely unfair. Perhaps if I had known about your plight I would have pmed neo about that issue of unfairness as I've done in the past.

I do miss arguing ith melech, when he stayed away from racist remarks or labels that i was hamas. However, i know tht the mods here banned him whenever he was an outright racist. From what i remember, i beleive that his suspensions were legitimate. If he was suspended for arguing in a respectful manner about his stance, then i too would disagree. In fact, he was getting better and more manageable.

That spamming inicdent crossed the line.

at least we have Arafuct around

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Originally posted by Cyrus King You didnt even give me a warning. You just went away and suspended me. If you had told me to watch my words or try not to "bullshit" i would have taken that into consideration. Its the very fact that I had to re-explain myself to you that has made this an issue. That my viewpoints were condemned becuase they are spreading "terrorist propaganda". I still have not received a proper explaination as to the exact reason, which thread, what racist comment i made in order for this suspension to take place. If there isnt a specific one, I feel that i have been suspended becuase of my stance. Which is to protect human life regardless of race. This again is the problem, that you beleive my viewpoints are offencive. Neo, im not arguing with you, these are just my feelings after what you did. i dont want to coninue this. But if my sources in which i explained myself to you are bullshit, then why am i posting right now? Becuase you realized that i had a legitemate argument and i wasnt a anti-semetic, or hateful of all israeli's. Thats what some people might have tried to make you think. If you look back at my posts, thenyou will see that im for human rights. I condemn terrorism in all its costumes.

Ok, it seems that my comments went right over your head, or maybe you are spoiling for a fight because you feel you was wrongly suspended.

I stand by my decsion to suspend you when i did, because of the numerous complaints i had about you, from more than one user, that the mods of this board have not been happy with your posts (i will add this, the senior mods of this forum usually discuss suspensions before we suspend someone, and the majority ruled in favour of your suspension, they veiwed your posts for themselves and agreed with myself and with the complaints i had had about you, the suspension was agreed with not a single senior mod objecting) and that it was not an isolated incident.

I never accused you of being racist, anti semantic or hateful of isralis, i merely pointed out to you how those posts you were making could be considered so, again not just of myself, but several users and mods of these forums.

My use of the word 'bullshit' does not refer to your posts in general but the post u made in this thread.

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To all those that didnt know, Neo, without warning or proper back up suspended me from posting in the political forums. He didnt even give me a chance to argue my side... instead he took one. He even thought that he may have been to hasty???

that is bullshit - i gave you the chance to explain your side, in fact we communicated rather well in PM on the subject of your suspension. As soon as i took the decision to suspend you, I pmed you explaing why i made my decision, i informed you of the fact and gave you the chance to argue why you should not be suspended.
I also told you that if i felt i had made a mistake, i would have your account activated again straight away.

Consider yourself lucky it was ME that suspended you as other mods of these forums would not have bothered to PM you, not have given you a chance to explain your posts and reasoning behind them.
They would have suspended you with zero notification and then forgotten about you, leaving you suspended from this forum permantly.

I do not take sides ! my aim is to be as impartial as possible, i try to see the problem from both sides and then i make my decision based on the facts as they are presented.

The fact that you are posting right now is down to the fact i gave you that chance to explain yourself, from the websites you gave me links to, so that i could better understand your posistion.

I TOOK THE TIME TO CHECK THOSE OUT, i did not have to do that ! !

you think i was unfair - think again !

Cant we all just get along??
I mean I find it intresting that there is alot of people on this board with different point of views,I thinki it is nice to have people with many point of views when it comes to politics,I personaly have learned alot on this board.

Hm, it's pretty difficult to judge this situation, as obviously one of the sides in not telling the truth. Cyrus claims he was suspended with no warning or explanation, while Neo claims the opposite. The only solution to prove who's right, if you both agree, is that Neo publically shows a transcript of your discussion over the pm's to see who's right in this argument. Then we can all perform as a jury

Neo, I will end this argument here. These are my feelings about the decision you made and it wont change. However, i commend you for taking into consideration my voice in your PM's. You replied quickly and were not patronizing.

Whats done is done.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I dont get it. Just know people of the political forums, you may not be treated fairly in these disputes after my experience. I was silenced for expressing the injustices of the IDF.

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I dont equate Jews to any level at all.

That one really entertained me.
Theres a difference between injustiying the IDF actions and between wishing for them to die.
oh and you may not equate us to cancer but you sure for IDF to die as you so adequatley posted once and I quote


"I Still hope all IDF dies of horrible cancer"

Oh and of course how could I forget one of my all time favourits:

"I will go to a Cafe now where I dont have to worry about getting blown up, or having some stupid IDF soldier infront of me"

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Originally posted by Scorchio That one really entertained me. Theres a difference between injustiying the IDF actions and between wishing for them to die as you so adequatley posted once and I quote "I Still hope all IDF dies of horrible cancer" Oh and of course how could I forget one of my all time favourits: "I will go to a Cafe now where I dont have to worry about getting blown up, or having some stupid IDF soldier infront of me"

I was a little angry when i wrote that many many many many many many months ago. I did not mean all, only those that help n oppressing and killing innocent people. I think thats alot though dont you?

This is the second time youve quoted this from me, i guess thats all you can come up with.

Yes and I will continue to quote this line until you understand that it is offending and its probobly posts similar to those who got you banned.
I understand youre stance on the matter and accept it.
Yes, there have been occasions of innocent children/women/civilians casualties by the IDF, no one will deny that, and yes homes have been wrecked - which is an action taken ONLY against homes of suicide bombers!
When you wish for IDF to die, you offend me, my cousins serve in the IDF and I think they are brave and patriots, in a month I will be an IDF soldier and those posts will refer to me personally.
So I think you can understand why I am mad about that.

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Originally posted by Scorchio Yes and I will continue to quote this line until you understand that it is offending and its probobly posts similar to those who got you banned.

and where is that going to get you??
you want me to dig this forum and see what I can find that is offensive?

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which is an action taken ONLY against homes of suicide bombers.

thats is not true,so you telling me all these people that died were related to terrorists??I thought u said arabs are nice people?then how come it is ok if their houses gets destroyd?oe they get killed??

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When you wish for IDF to die, you offend me, my cousins serve in the IDF and I think they are brave and patriots, in a month I will be an IDF soldier and those posts will refer to me personally. So I think you can understand why I am mad about that.

you can defend your country too,it is your right.but why cant the Palastinians do the same??are they not allowd to defend themselves??
so ok Suicide bombing is wrong I understand,so why dont you give them an army just like the size of your army and be fair??

Yes I did say that MOST palestinians are good people but there are the families of the bombers who support them in their suicide bombing, those are the people who get pusnished.
Sharon doesnt just wake up and decide "Hmmm I think Ill demolish 200 houses in Gaza today", and you know that.

Yes they do deserve the chance to defend themselves, and they DO have an army, that army is known as Shahids and uses bombs to suicide.

******UPDATE*******


The Empire strikes back.

Not.


So I sit in the McDonald's next to our campus when suddenly my eyes discover a person reading a flyer with the topic "Palestine: Heart and Soul of worldwide resistance". "They are here, the moment has come" I said to myself, excited, ready to fight, yet a bit insecure. Whereupon I stood up and headed towards where they stood. As if approaching a hot girl I was going through the entire monologue again and again until I saw it: They were much more this time. And if that wasn't enough, they had two old Arab men with them. Old enough to potentially startting telling me about their life as refugees and how they lost their sons in the first Intifada and what not. "No way" I proclaimed, deciding to wait for a next time. Where emotions won't disturb a rational discussion in which I'm sure to succeed.

The battle is lost, the war continues!

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Originally posted by Scorchio Yes and I will continue to quote this line until you understand that it is offending and its probobly posts similar to those who got you banned.

I dont care if it offends you becuase this is the way i feel. I dislike IDF personal that oppress, beat up, shoot, demolish, torture, wrongly arrest, patronize, ridicule, scream at, bother, and destroy palestinian lives.

Im sure there are IDF, like the Refusnicks, who choose not to do these things and are otherwise punished by the Israeli government, which i respect. But those who just cause shit and express their hatred with the bullets that are cocked in their rifles, i want them to die. Again, just becuase one is wearing a military uniform, doesnt not make him a terrorist. I see terror filled in the eyes of these palestinians, just like the israeli's that i see crying after a suicide bomb goes off, I HATE SEEING THAT... i hate seeing people in fear.

There are soldiers, and I mean many that are peaceful and just serve their duty, but the ones i described i do not like, and hope they leave this earth or die like a palestinian has.

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I understand youre stance on the matter and accept it. Yes, there have been occasions of innocent children/women/civilians casualties by the IDF, no one will deny that, and yes homes have been wrecked - which is an action taken ONLY against homes of suicide bombers!

"ONLY"!!!!!!!!!! HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAH

My friends house was demolished and her stuff burned in the middle of the neighborhood sqaure in the west bank about a month ago. SHE IS NOT, NOR HER FAMILY ARE TERRORISTs!!!!!!! no terrorists were using her home as a base for operations, it was her and her young family.

Get your perception fixed man.... your israeli propaganda networks really stuffed bullshit into your mouths and now you like chewing it becuase they say it tastes good.

INJUSTICE... thats all i will tell you.

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When you wish for IDF to die, you offend me, my cousins serve in the IDF and I think they are brave and patriots, in a month I will be an IDF soldier and those posts will refer to me personally. So I think you can understand why I am mad about that.

Im sure you are a peaceful person, that you respect human life and are proud to serve your nation. But if you choose willingly to make these palestinians suffer and cause fear in their lives, then you are no better than those terrorists....

This is my opinion.

You make it sound like I want every single person to die. You are not understanding my point, i dont like people who willingly cause fear and destruction, i dont think they need to be in this world.

But see theres your problem again why do youthink thet the IDF soldiers willingly do stuff?
They are following orders most of them are 18-19 guys they dont just get up and do what they feel like doing.
If the Mossad is to inform that at this certain house there are evidences of a base operation for terrorists they will demolish it by an order and not because they wanna hurt peoples feelings or lives.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant ******UPDATE******* The Empire strikes back. Not. So I sit in the McDonald's next to our campus when suddenly my eyes discover a person reading a flyer with the topic "Palestine: Heart and Soul of worldwide resistance". "They are here, the moment has come" I said to myself, excited, ready to fight, yet a bit insecure. Whereupon I stood up and headed towards where they stood. As if approaching a hot girl I was going through the entire monologue again and again until I saw it: They were much more this time. And if that wasn't enough, they had two old Arab men with them. Old enough to potentially startting telling me about their life as refugees and how they lost their sons in the first Intifada and what not. "No way" I proclaimed, deciding to wait for a next time. Where emotions won't disturb a rational discussion in which I'm sure to succeed. The battle is lost, the war continues!

LoL

Im with u m8 .. Kick thair asses !!

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