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| Originally posted by RobEnergy ill buy a pair of those at headphone.com.au aswell just wonder what is the differents from er20 and er15 http://www.etymotic.com/musicians/er15more.html |
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| Originally posted by djway 15 = Provides uniform 15 dB sound reduction (attenuation) across frequencies. The ER-20s provide 20 dB of hearing protection --djway |
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| Originally posted by waXology so basically the 20's are better? any idea of what the foam ones from the chemist protect against (like the ones u gave me wade) |
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| Originally posted by waXology ah nice im gonna buy some of these $35 ones of that headphones.com.au see how they go |
mmm earplugs are the barra. I have used them for about two years now. I used the yellow foam ones for a while and recently bought a pair from a music shop for about $35 which reduce the frequencies much more evenly.
As was said, the yellow ones make the sound really dirty and a lot of clarity in the highs and mids is sacrificed. The ones from an auidologist cost about $300 and i know because I looked into it a while back. I have djed in the $35 ones and have had no problems. When adam freeland played in a few months back he wore the yellow foam ones and was fine.
Like djway said, if you put them in before you go into the club you don't even notice.
Be kind to your hearing. I cannot recommend the wearing of earplugs in nightclubs and raves highly enough. 
hmmm....u guys r gettin me worried now 
earplugs are sumthin i've always meant to get around to doin sumthin about....i think u've inspired me to get off my butt and finally do it!! i always thought they'd just make everything muffled.....glad to hear they don't
i often wonder if i'm screwing up my hearing the more i go out....all the time i get told "speak quieter, i'm not in the next room u know!!" - but i never know if it's cos of my ears, or cos i'm just a loud-mouth *lol* but, better to be safe than sorry.....ear-plugs, here i come
sid, remember our chat the other nite - if ur not careful, u'll end up crazy AND deaf 
Hi Aussie's,
I read in an interview with Tiesto that he wears ear plugs before and after the show but not when he spins, does anyone know what the effects of doing that are?
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| Originally posted by Trance(PL) Hi Aussie's, I read in an interview with Tiesto that he wears ear plugs before and after the show but not when he spins, does anyone know what the effects of doing that are? |
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| Originally posted by muli hmm thats interesting. I always wear them before i play a gig so i have full hearing for my set, but i dont put them in afterwards as i figure ive already killed them. When i saw tiesto at the love parade i noticed he was wearing ear plugs. |
I used to wear earplugs almost everytime i went to Zen cause the volume was just painful but i found i didnt really need it at other clubs, gas has usually been fine (though at Matt Darey - OUCH!), so i havent bothered with it lately, and i dont really think its necessary at Space, the sound is so crisp and clear it avoids the need for the excessive decibels which some clubs seem to think is what really matters....
Might look into getting some of the clear ones though if peeps reckon they dont stuff the sound, the yellow ones just annoy me a bit too much now that ive managed to develop an appreciation for sound quality....
I wear earplugs every time I go out and have done so for some years (people know about it if I've forgotten them cos I get quite upset )...it's worth it not to have my ears ringing for days afterwards.
I use the disposable foam ones cos my dad gets them free from his work for me 
so unfortunately I can't be much help with brands and prices though.
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| Originally posted by lethal now that ive managed to develop an appreciation for sound quality.... |
Hows that ironic wade???
Basically as ive learnt more about the music ive come to appreciate the quality of music and the quality of sound at events...
I fail to see the irony.....
yea space is great, dont need them there really!
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| Originally posted by lethal Hows that ironic wade??? Basically as ive learnt more about the music ive come to appreciate the quality of music and the quality of sound at events... I fail to see the irony..... |
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Taken from Here "Noise-Induced Hearing Loss results from prolonged exposure to high decibel levels. Over time, the damaged stereocilia begin to die off. As they die, not only will the cochlea fail to transmit the frequency information usually processed by the dead hairs, but the very nerves responsible for carrying the signal die off. The tympanic membrane can become so fatigued by constant exposure that it fails to respond properly to any stimulation." |
this is a very good topic!
I had a problem about three months ago after a Cream set - stood next to speakers for the whole night, had loss of hearing for about a week - i could hear everything from cars, air conditioning at work etc... but not voices or people talking to me... f**king freaked me out bigtime.
doctors said it was an infection in the ears, and gave me some stuff for it, and after three weeks of putting drops and stuff in my ears i am able to hear again...
i have never worn ear plugs before in the clubs up till that point, and i dunno how much the speakers in the club were to blame for my bad ears for a month! But i started wearing ear plugs as a requirement. In the past i left the club and had about a day (not of ringing) but just of sore ears...
now i dont have anything at all...
oh yeah, and the plugs i use are actually just some i get for free from the warehouse next door to my work offices... they let me go in and take some industrial ear plugs that the guys use on the loud machinery... and they work just fine.
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| Originally posted by muli hmm thats interesting. I always wear them before i play a gig so i have full hearing for my set, but i dont put them in afterwards as i figure ive already killed them. When i saw tiesto at the love parade i noticed he was wearing ear plugs. |
hmmmmm
what happens when you go to a loud club/rave
and about 7am you walk out of there
your ears dont ring at all
and everyone else does?
well for many years nothing rings in my head nomore
(i never wear any ear protection at all
does that mean im already deaf?
(i know when i first went to a rave was back in 1995,
my ears would ring for 3 or so days..now it doesn't
did i get use to it or im really deaf ah)
I was sure I was starting to go deaf or my ears were just too damaged to ring as it had been a very long time since I heard the ringing in my ears, until last weekend that is. I went to Lot 33 on fri night and my ears are still a bit tingly and were ringing like never before after Seaman�s set. For the last year I have mainly been going to Gas and I�ve had no ringing at all. I�ve come to the conclusion that the ringing has to do with the sound system quality rather than damage to ears, although no doubt we sustain damage every time we go out without plugs whether our ears ring or not. Think I will also wear plugs next time out though.
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| Originally posted by PVDsANGEL I�ve come to the conclusion that the ringing has to do with the sound system quality rather than damage to ears |
ok sorry to paste so much but read this!!
WHAT LOUD MUSIC DOES TO YOUR EAR
Physiology of the Ear and Hearing
The ear has three areas: the outer (visible part of the ear), middle, and inner ear. A thin membrane, called the eardrum (tympanic membrane), divides the middle and outer ear. When we hear, sound vibrations, or sound waves, funnel through the outer ear and down the ear (auditory) canal, where the sounds hit the eardrum, and cause the eardrum to vibrate.
These vibrations are passed through the three small bones in the middle ear - the malleus (hammer), incus (anvil), and stapes (stirrups). From the middle ear, the sound vibrations are transmitted to the inner ear (vestibule). Tiny hairs in the cochlea (a snail-shaped organ in the inner ear) transform the sound vibrations into nerve impulses. The impulses are transmitted to the brain through the auditory (cochlear) nerve.
Noise and Hearing Loss
Excessive exposure to loud noise can damage the tiny hairs in the cochlea and lead to hearing loss. Generally, this type of hearing loss is reversible (except is some cases of a sudden, very loud noise, such as an explosion).
However, over time, repeated exposure to loud noise can cause permanent damage and hearing loss. This condition is known as noise-induced hearing loss.
Watch your hearing!
Your ears are very delicate, prolonged exposure to sound pressure levels above 85dBA will cause damage to your hearing. If you have ever been to a party or to a concert where loud music was played, you may have experienced Temporary Threshold Shift (TTS). This temporary loss of hearing can become permanent if exposure is done on a regular basis.
One way to tell if you�ve been exposed to excessive sound pressure levels is that you tend to hear a ringing in your ears.
Ringing in your ears, hissing, clicking or buzzing sounds all represent the effects of tinnitus, which is often a side effect of noise-induced hearing loss. Inner-ear cells are sensitive to vibrations. But if they�re damaged, the ears will still record ringing or buzzing, even when there�s no sound.
Remember, it is your high frequency hearing that deteriorates first. Think of what music would sound like if you couldn�t hear anything above 10KHz: just like with a crummy old transistor radio or listening to music over a telephone (no cymbals or high pitched instruments, voices sounding deadened). Protect yourself or just turn it down!
The high frequencies are lost first, so you may have difficulty hearing high-pitched voices. Loss of high-frequency hearing makes many words sound alike, especially those containing the high-frequency sounds S or soft C, F, SH, CH or H. Words like �hill,� �fill� and �sill� may sound exactly the same.
Experimental evidence
Researchers at the University of Florida tested the hearing of some middle and high-school students. The investigators found that about 17 percent of the children had some degree of hearing loss. Most of the hearing loss was in higher pitches, which are usually the first ranges of sound to be lost after hearing damage. The investigators believe that exposure to excessive noise results in a serious hearing impairment at an early age.
Significant hearing losses were detected in a group of students who had a history of frequent attendance to pop music entertainments. Losses due to loud noises in jobs, gunfire, etc. were also identified. (The Lancet 2:203-204, August 2, 1975).
A �guinea pig� showed hearing impairment in his right ear after listening to high-intensity rock music for 88 hours over a two month span. The left ear, protected by a plug during most of the music, demonstrated no cytological changes. The damage to the right ear was permanent. (Archives of Otolaryngology 90:29, 1969)
I�M NOT GOING TO STOP GOING TO GIGS!
Fine, fine. Who said you should?
But if you don�t want to end up deaf in a few years time you MUST protect your hearing now and that means
either a maximum exposure time of 15 minutes per gig � which I don�t see you raving about!
or by using hearing protection � that is ear-plugs.
Problems with Conventional Earplugs
Musician�s earplugs are not intended for maximum attenuation. For that application, conventional foam or fully sealed
pre-moulded hearing protectors or earmuffs are recommended.
Existing earplugs attenuate more than necessary for much of the noise in industry and the environment.
Regardless of their exact construction, existing earplugs produce 10 to 20 dB of high frequency attenuation and the result is that people often reject them because they can�t hear speech clearly.
Conventional earplugs make the wearer�s own voice sound hollow (known as the occlusion effect).
Many people risk their hearing by either wearing earplugs loosely or wearing no protection at all so they will be able to hear voices, machinery or music more clearly.
Finally, cottonwool and tissue are useless. They only reduce sound by less than 7 dB.
SO, WHAT DO THE BANDS DO?
Lars Ulrich/Metallica:
�Three of the four members of Metallica wear earplugs. Some people think earplugs are for wimps. But if you don�t want to hear any records in five or ten years, that�s your decision.�
If I wear hearing protection devices while I�m playing, won�t it be hard to hear myself or the other instruments?
No, actually with distracting noise removed or minimised you will hear more clearly.
If a hearing device cuts down on the noise from my instrument or voice, how will I know what I sound like?
Your ears adjust very quickly to the protectors.
Don�t people in places with loud music or sounds just get used to the volume?
No. Hearing loss and tinnitus (ringing in the ears) are insidious. Problems can occur gradually. People often don�t know they have a problem until it�s too late.
After years of not wearing hearing protectors why start wearing them now?
Protective devices can prevent further damage. Hearing problems because of exposure to excessive noise do not have to happen.
�Musicians� plugs allow some sounds in, but block others out. The musician�s hearing focuses on voice blending.� (Janser).
These specialised earplugs run from $150 - $200. The price may seem steep, but it�s quite reasonable compared with the financial and physical toll of wearing a hearing aid.
Custom fit earplugs, worn by many musicians, are made from an impression of the ear canal taken by an audiologist or other hearing health professional. The impression is sent to a lab, where the final ear-mould is made. Custom earplugs are comfortable, easy to insert correctly, and filter sound better than disposable plugs.
Your local medic (doctor), audiologist or hearing aid dispenser will be able to advise you further.
TYPICAL HIGH GRADE PLUGS (as used by musicians)
The ER-15 and ER-25 models are popular with musicians because of a special filter that lets the listener hear music at a safe level without sacrificing quality. Instead of cutting out the high frequencies, musician�s plugs attenuate all the frequencies evenly in relation to your hearing.
A flat-response attenuator (reducer) must have a frequency response that follows the shape of the natural frequency response of the open ear, but at a reduced level. Both the Musician�s Earplug ER-15 and ER-25 use a diaphragm, similar to a passive speaker cone, to achieve the desired response curve. The ER-20 uses a tuned resonator and acoustic resistor. To reduce the occlusion effect, a deep seal of the plug in the second bend of the ear canal is necessary. In general, the ER-15 attenuators are designed for environments where the A-weighted sound pressure level is 105 dB or less. The ER-25 attenuators are for use in environments above 105 dB and below 120 dB.
The attenuation shown in the above graph is for an average ear: at least 10 dB of protection for the ER-15, at least 15 dB of protection for the ER-20 and at least 20 dB of protection for the ER-25 are achieved in almost any ear with these attenuators properly in place. These custom ear moulds are to be fitted by an audiologist or hearing aid dispenser.
i Think that answers most questions..... its scaring me enough to think why the fuck didnt i get plugs earlier.... and i think your mad if u dont where them if u go out to gigs regulaly.
get some of these!!!
ER-20's
Cheers
Cam
^^^
scary
*runs to buy some plugs
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| Originally posted by waXology ER-20's |
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| Originally posted by Ghostface they look exactly like the ones i use. They stick out a bit but if you adjust them they are easy to wear under headphones as well. |
well I am still getting used to playing in clubs and the proper eqing that is required so I�m not really able to say with any authority, but I can tell you for certain that when I wear them as a punter the sound clarity is leagues above the foam ones.
When I have used them while playing in a club though i do find it much easier to actually listen to the sound in your headphones as opposed to just hearing it, if that makes any sense.
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