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| Originally posted by Slylee hehe, that's WOman:P anyway...dont get me wrong...i totally don't do it like u think...like every weekend to get fucked up. my senior year of high school (99-00) was bad. that's when i got into it and did it too much. then i just stopped hanging out with all those "friends" cuz all they did was get fucked up and everything's about money, etc. anyway...i decided to take a long break and didn't roll for months. then when i finally did again..i didn't enjoy it and it's been like that ever since. that time i got messed up on all that shit (the rolls and acid and stuff) was like 2 months ago and that was my first time doing anything (besides weed) in like maybe 2 or 3 months. my bf did "e" for the first time with me recently so of course he's all about doing it more, but i'm not. we are very responsible about drugs. just like once every 2 or 3 months we'll roll. and pretty much whenever i can get some xanax...which isn't very often, i'll grab some. i just like to take xanax to relax cuz i'm an anxious person. i probably need a prescription for it! anyway...i have read a bunch of stuff about "e" on websites and other drugs...i am very well informed..i just wanted some input from you people since a lot of you seem to do "e". i just wanted to know if anyone knows what i mean and if they would share stories as well. i am most likely going to cut out rolling, and remind me never to trip again! haha did i mention coming down that night was literally HELL!? seriously..that is my definition of hell...coming off of 2 rolls and a hit of acid. lol bleh! never again! |
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| Originally posted by j_spot Personally I find it hard to go to the club and be feeling the music all night without some outside help. Drinks, Ephedrine or E as of last night. E will be reserved for big events tho. Im no e-tard. But before I started to experiment with Ephedrine, I had no problem dancing all night. Now I cant. Even if I try really hard. |
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| Originally posted by j_spot I dunno bout blue..I kinda liked that red last night |
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| Originally posted by u4ea:[soulstar] Huh? You're just out of shape. Try this: Run for 7 minutes straight. If you're coughing up a lung, you're out of shape. If you want dance for long periods, you got train for it. Just like any person in fitness and health, they train hard to put on a good show. E is just a shortcut to an immediate goal. |
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| Originally posted by j_spot Im not out of shape...its more of a mental thing. I wanna dance, but cant.. Cuz im not tired or sore or anything, I just cant dance worth shit! I can run 7 minutes(do u mean sprint or fast jog?) I go running for 20 minutes every second day on my treadmill. but that training sounds like a good Idea. My mom has a workout room..ill pump the tunes and start to dance. Mirrored walls..hardwood...maybe thatll help. |
oops..did my post not make sense? or am I not reading u4ea right?
What I meant to say was, its not fatigue or stamina that keeps me from dancing all night sober. Its the drive. I WANNA dance, but my mind tells me nope, no dancing, so I pollute it with drugs (alcohol Ephedrine ETC) and then I can go forever.
Im guessing im the only one with this problem, right?
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| Originally posted by u4ea:[soulstar] HOLY SNIKES! You're a walking pharmaceutical drugstore! Ok. Now, what I say is only speculative. There combination of factors that's making you anti-social while you are rolling. xanax or Vikadin. (sp?) These two drugs may be interfering with E's effects on your serotonin systems. When you have different combinations of drugs mixed in your brain chemistry, it will caused an undesired reaction. Meaning, the combinations are not synergetic. The reaction is what I call crossfiring. It's like taking a huge amount of serotonin into your body (E), your brain won't accept or not much, it has to go somewhere. So it is transfer to the dopamine system. Too much dopamine causes this sketchiness, acute irritability, etc al.. That's my take. Previous mood and anxiety disorder. When you have this type of history, the occurrences will increase with err long unprescribed drug use. It looks like you are a light user so you starting to get a glimpse of impending disaster. I hope you heed the warning signs or else it's going to be REAL Hell next time for you. My Suggestions: 1. Stop taking E for two months minimum 2. Don't even take acid at all (this is a very hard drug) 3. Look for another alternative to Xanax, Valium?, and pain killers I am sure there must other options besides Xanax 4. Take dietary supplements to build your serotonin up the other unorthodox option is graphotherapy. To give you an honest example of why your writing reflects your personality, do this: When you are xinging and not sketched out, write on unlined paper - a whole page if possible. Compare the paper to your normal writing. Notice the discrete difference from the comparison. NOTE: When you feel you are ready to try it, give it a go. This is a way for you to SEE for yourself, not just from my words, the changes in your writing when xinging. The next step is actual graphotherapy: making certain direct changes to your writing that changes your thought patterns. Therefore, change or create new neuro pathways in your brain. If you are interested, I'll have to ask some people who are certified experts in this field. It's funny, I have heard stories from cocaine junkies recovering from extreme life-threatening addiction by just taking E. |
the "e" just opened me up more emotionally at first...it didn't open me up to dancing and trance/breaks, etc. i was already all about that before the drugs
is it ME or the "E"?
its definitely u! 
Re: is it ME or the "E"?
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| Originally posted by Slylee ok well i was just wondering if anyone is going through the same thing that i am when it comes to "e"...i just don't enjoy it any more. i never blow up. it's always just a lingering kinda slugish feeling. i used to have so much energy on the drug and i was so outgoing...now when i roll, i get annoyed when ppl are like all mushy with me...i just wanna come down already. i think maybe i'm just low on "happy juice" lately and under a lot of stress. could that be it? i mean, i'm not depressed every day at all or anything, but i sure do feel like it when i roll. i mean everyone can be depressed, and i'll be the first to admit that i've been on zoloft before because i was in a terrible relationship when i was only 16. anyway, my point is, that i DO have a small history of depression and i've heard that it really isn't a good drug to take if you've been depressed before. also, i don't think it's the drugs cuz it's been the same shitty feeling like the last 4 times i've rolled and the people i rolled with said they felt great. the last time i got fucked up (you'll get a kick outta this) i took 2 rolls (which were weak for me)...so i decided to take a ritalin (swallowed it whole, not snorted) to speed it up a bit, but then the whole "roll" just died and i was just wired. THEN i ate a green gell tab (acid) and i was like totally functioning. i mean of course i was confused and seeing trails n shit..but my bf was with me and he had taken 2 rolls and 1 acid like me and he was fucking GONE! haha but i could totally still read the computer screen (YES, i was on TA chatroom since it was my first time tripping and didn't want to do it somewhere public...we decided to stay home and trip/roll) and do other things and still think rationally. anyway, when i told some of my friends they were like, "holy fucking shit..that's A LOT of drugs dude" lol maybe i need to take like 3 rolls at once next time??? if there is a next time. i dunno, maybe i'm just burnt out on "e"...it's not what it used to be i think. people are getting stupid with it these days and u never know what you're getting any more. one more thing. i used to LOVE uppers....like i LOVED coke when i did it the few times and i loved "e" at first...but now i'm starting to really just like that "loaded" feeling. i like xanax now and weed and pain killers like vikadin (NO i do not take this shit regularly..only weed regularly) is this bad? is this some kind of cycle or something? like i'm gonna be an alcoholic or something next? ok i've written a novel...can't wait to hear some of you guys' input sly |
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| Originally posted by u4ea:[soulstar] HOLY SNIKES! You're a walking pharmaceutical drugstore! Ok. Now, what I say is only speculative. There combination of factors that's making you anti-social while you are rolling. xanax or Vikadin. (sp?) These two drugs may be interfering with E's effects on your serotonin systems. When you have different combinations of drugs mixed in your brain chemistry, it will caused an undesired reaction. Meaning, the combinations are not synergetic. The reaction is what I call crossfiring. It's like taking a huge amount of serotonin into your body (E), your brain won't accept or not much, it has to go somewhere. So it is transfer to the dopamine system. Too much dopamine causes this sketchiness, acute irritability, etc al.. That's my take. Previous mood and anxiety disorder. When you have this type of history, the occurrences will increase with err long unprescribed drug use. It looks like you are a light user so you starting to get a glimpse of impending disaster. I hope you heed the warning signs or else it's going to be REAL Hell next time for you. My Suggestions: 1. Stop taking E for two months minimum 2. Don't even take acid at all (this is a very hard drug) 3. Look for another alternative to Xanax, Valium?, and pain killers I am sure there must other options besides Xanax 4. Take dietary supplements to build your serotonin up the other unorthodox option is graphotherapy. To give you an honest example of why your writing reflects your personality, do this: When you are xinging and not sketched out, write on unlined paper - a whole page if possible. Compare the paper to your normal writing. Notice the discrete difference from the comparison. NOTE: When you feel you are ready to try it, give it a go. This is a way for you to SEE for yourself, not just from my words, the changes in your writing when xinging. The next step is actual graphotherapy: making certain direct changes to your writing that changes your thought patterns. Therefore, change or create new neuro pathways in your brain. If you are interested, I'll have to ask some people who are certified experts in this field. It's funny, I have heard stories from cocaine junkies recovering from extreme life-threatening addiction by just taking E. |
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well i just wanted to say to all of you who have never done "e"...good for you seriously...don't get into it, because 9 times out of 10 (in my opinion) ppl try it and then that's all they wanna do ever because they can't let go of that amazing feeling u had when u tried it. anyway, i would never recommend taking "e" or especially acid to anyone. people need to learn to appreciate things without drugs i think. well i take that back...i DO appreciate food more when i'm stoned. hehe...well that's diff, u know what i mean. anyway, thanks guys for all your input
/me takes a mental note: stop being a crackhead...lol
btw, when i said i would never recommend to anyone to try "e" or acid...i should have added an "any more" after that. cuz i know damn well that i have certainly told some ppl how "awesome it is" and bla bla bla....im just saying, after a while it sux and i would never want anyone to feel all ate up after a while like i feel lately when i try to roll. just don't want to seem like a hypocrit...
Slylee nice speeches LOL! u sounded like ur tripping off da hole thing, chill sista
well i wont take da drug ne why coz ive got trance
My suggestion : Stop the drugs
My suggestion to anyone out there if they havent tried the drug yet is MODERATION!!!! If you know you have no self control just don't even start with any type of drug..especially E. I have been rolling for about 2 yrs now and have been limiting myself to about one roll/ month on average...less during school year and more during the summer, and my rolls are still great!, as long as the pills are real.
Be Safe!
Hmmm
Sly definetely try and cut down on the usage and mixtures. 5htp is good but it takes months of constant usage to build up in your system enuff to help a roll....most peeps thinking popping one or two before during or after a roll helps but it doesn't. Also you seem to be getting into way addictive stuff. I have a friend addicted to pain killers..its not cool. All her money goes to that and she shakes when she stops taking em for a while. So try and stay away from that...taking anything that is prescription medicine i.e. vicodin, xanax...etc is just plain sillie if its not prescribed for you. Not to mention that taking anti-depressants is really bad b/c it can screw up your seratonin levels. Even people who are on prescribed anti-depressants have to be weaned off of them...if they take them in spurts or just decide to stop taking them it can make their depression worse instead of helping it. You said in your original post that you're anxious and stressed...maybe that is the cause for your drug cocktail? Either way its better to see a doc...maybe you should be on prescription anti depressants and that would make u feel 100 times better. I hope you don't take this as me attacking you b/c that's not how I meant it. I'm only concerned that a fellow TA may be doing stuff that is hurting her more then she is having fun with it.
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| Originally posted by twilochik Sly definetely try and cut down on the usage and mixtures. 5htp is good but it takes months of constant usage to build up in your system enuff to help a roll....most peeps thinking popping one or two before during or after a roll helps but it doesn't. Also you seem to be getting into way addictive stuff. I have a friend addicted to pain killers..its not cool. All her money goes to that and she shakes when she stops taking em for a while. So try and stay away from that...taking anything that is prescription medicine i.e. vicodin, xanax...etc is just plain sillie if its not prescribed for you. Not to mention that taking anti-depressants is really bad b/c it can screw up your seratonin levels. Even people who are on prescribed anti-depressants have to be weaned off of them...if they take them in spurts or just decide to stop taking them it can make their depression worse instead of helping it. You said in your original post that you're anxious and stressed...maybe that is the cause for your drug cocktail? Either way its better to see a doc...maybe you should be on prescription anti depressants and that would make u feel 100 times better. I hope you don't take this as me attacking you b/c that's not how I meant it. I'm only concerned that a fellow TA may be doing stuff that is hurting her more then she is having fun with it. |
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| Originally posted by Slylee i'm really gonna try to lay off the shit... sly |
Power to you!
dude i used to roll hard with 1 pill. 2, forget about it.
it got to the point where i would take 4, and snort 2 later in the night. u'll never get the high -- but my advice -- vary your sources. different pills from different manufactorers with different ammounts of each thing will hit you different and usually better. chew your pills. this makes it hit ur body faster and makes it more intense. and take them all at once. i once took 1 pill then 3 later. and it was no better than taking 2 at once. take like 2-3 at once then take one later to keep it going. and NEVER SNORT.
if you hate the taste, as i did. crush em up in ciggarett plastic, pour onto paper, then pour onto ur tounge and drink some soda. beats chewing and getting them stuck in ur tongue. iv also heard about parachuting where u keep it in the plastic, twist the top, swollow. idea is when it untwists in ur digestive system it hits u super hard. never tried it tho.
u can try liquid e, pure mdma, or mda. but be careful very easy to overdose on that crap
ps ps ps -- dont do it. i stopped and dont miss it
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| Originally posted by dazzed dude i used to roll hard with 1 pill. 2, forget about it. it got to the point where i would take 4, and snort 2 later in the night. u'll never get the high -- but my advice -- vary your sources. different pills from different manufactorers with different ammounts of each thing will hit you different and usually better. chew your pills. this makes it hit ur body faster and makes it more intense. and take them all at once. i once took 1 pill then 3 later. and it was no better than taking 2 at once. take like 2-3 at once then take one later to keep it going. and NEVER SNORT. if you hate the taste, as i did. crush em up in ciggarett plastic, pour onto paper, then pour onto ur tounge and drink some soda. beats chewing and getting them stuck in ur tongue. iv also heard about parachuting where u keep it in the plastic, twist the top, swollow. idea is when it untwists in ur digestive system it hits u super hard. never tried it tho. u can try liquid e, pure mdma, or mda. but be careful very easy to overdose on that crap ps ps ps -- dont do it. i stopped and dont miss it |
.. and just go w/ it.. but its mind over matter.. being high feels good.. and thats why we do it.. but if u are taking them to escape feelings then u have a problem... hehe sorry chica but i havent bothered to read any of this thread.. just kinda skimmed a few post. so i prolly shouldnt be posting lol.. anyways good luck w/ whatever u decide u are doing luv u -layla
lol..damn if i start doin all that shit, i'll end up in a mental institution! hahah no but i understand, it's cool...he is tryin to give me ideas on how to get that "feeling" again, but i'm gonna have to go with twilo and theeyesofdarkness and the other folks that told me to lay off em for a while or forever. i know about parachuting..although i was told that u crush up the roll and then wrap it in a small piece of toilet paper and swallow it that way with a drink. i've also heard of putting rolls and acid in ur asshole! umm, i'll pass anyway, yea i'm definately quitting all that shit...
/me looks at theeyesofdarkness "WEED TOO" ??
/me reluctantly hands over my bag of weed
/theeyesofdarkness rolls a joint
/slylee HEY!!! u TRICKED ME!
hahaha...like my little skit there? heheh peace
sly
/me hits joint
dis be dat good shit too.....
This will sound somewhat contradicting to what you people must think of me, but here goes....
I often worry about younger people getting into drugs, it sometimes turns out a trip on E is just opening the flood gates of experimentation with drugs.. I know so many younger people do drugs responsibly and get educated, but then I read your post and I worry a lot about your approach to drugs.
I don't know you personally, but I still worry that you aren't taking the power of drug use seriously enough. E is not something you should be taking every week, thats for starters. If you aren't feeling the effects like before that means its time to stop. Your seratonin levels are likely quite low, and this added to your past depression is a bad combination.
I never touched drugs until I was 23, and I think it was definately good that I waited that long. If I'd done drugs when I was 16-18, I would have never treated them like I do today. Sometimes we just aren't ready for drugs, or we just shouldn't do them.
I hope you think seriously about cutting out E for a while, and please take drugs more seriously, experimenting is fine but please be carefull not to make bad decisions.
Good luck, I sincerely hope everything works out for you
hola 
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| Originally posted by Thor This will sound somewhat contradicting to what you people must think of me, but here goes.... I often worry about younger people getting into drugs, it sometimes turns out a trip on E is just opening the flood gates of experimentation with drugs.. I know so many younger people do drugs responsibly and get educated, but then I read your post and I worry a lot about your approach to drugs. I don't know you personally, but I still worry that you aren't taking the power of drug use seriously enough. E is not something you should be taking every week, thats for starters. If you aren't feeling the effects like before that means its time to stop. Your seratonin levels are likely quite low, and this added to your past depression is a bad combination. I never touched drugs until I was 23, and I think it was definately good that I waited that long. If I'd done drugs when I was 16-18, I would have never treated them like I do today. Sometimes we just aren't ready for drugs, or we just shouldn't do them. I hope you think seriously about cutting out E for a while, and please take drugs more seriously, experimenting is fine but please be carefull not to make bad decisions. Good luck, I sincerely hope everything works out for you |
but just to remind everyone...i am NOT taking "e" every weekend...i was just saying that when i DO take it (once every few months) i don't enjoy it. i USED to do it every weekend in high school...but i just got bored with it. the only reason why i still do it once in a while is cuz i made the mistake of introducing my bf to it. so naturally he's at a different level than i am. he wants to do it more than i do. however, he is 26 years old and that was his first time, so, like u thor, he is responsible about it and doesn't get carried away. he told me that it's not important to him to roll again if it's not good for me. he wants me to quit all that shit too. just wanted u guys to know that i'm not currently taking "e" like all the time...just that when i do..i feel shitty. also the more i thought about it...i definately have addictions in my family tree. like alcoholism and drug abuse. well i know for a fact that i will never be an alcoholic because i can't stand the feeling of being drunk and i don't like most alcoholic drinks or beer. but i did have a stepdad that was a pill popper (pain killers) and he was in and out of rehab for years when i was growing up...so it's like i was 7 years old and i knew what morphene was and percosets and shit like that. so i better be careful...hey at least i'm smart enough to realize and see warning signs and i'm not in denial...that's the first step right?? hehe
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| Originally posted by Slylee hey thanks but just to remind everyone...i am NOT taking "e" every weekend...i was just saying that when i DO take it (once every few months) i don't enjoy it. i USED to do it every weekend in high school...but i just got bored with it. the only reason why i still do it once in a while is cuz i made the mistake of introducing my bf to it. so naturally he's at a different level than i am. he wants to do it more than i do. however, he is 26 years old and that was his first time, so, like u thor, he is responsible about it and doesn't get carried away. he told me that it's not important to him to roll again if it's not good for me. he wants me to quit all that shit too. just wanted u guys to know that i'm not currently taking "e" like all the time...just that when i do..i feel shitty. also the more i thought about it...i definately have addictions in my family tree. like alcoholism and drug abuse. well i know for a fact that i will never be an alcoholic because i can't stand the feeling of being drunk and i don't like most alcoholic drinks or beer. but i did have a stepdad that was a pill popper (pain killers) and he was in and out of rehab for years when i was growing up...so it's like i was 7 years old and i knew what morphene was and percosets and shit like that. so i better be careful...hey at least i'm smart enough to realize and see warning signs and i'm not in denial...that's the first step right?? hehesly |
Glad to see though you do see those possible dangers and especially if you have it in the family tree, thats a good reason to be extra care.
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