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Posted by djinnom on Nov-23-2003 18:34:

I don't think he's declined. He's been in the top 10 DJ list for a long long long time. He never really moves from there. I understand its a popularity contest but who cares, he's loved my many. His style has evolved just a little bit. He still has some of his roots embedded in his live sets but he definitely has gotten a lot techier over the years. He has shifted his style slightly year by year in order to press ahead with the scene while holding onto his roots. I think that's a good thing. If anything, the scene is dying slowly and not him.


Posted by jp on Nov-23-2003 18:37:

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Now if you want to discuss Reflections or the fact that PVD sucks or rocks, use the fooking search button and join-in the previous PVD or Reflexion themes, like the one in the reviews section. God I'm sick of reduant threads.. ;(


Maybe he just got the album yesterday and was so confused he didn't think of the search button


Posted by Cobalt on Nov-23-2003 18:39:

His productions are lower in quality than his heyday, but Paul has still got a long way to go, and is most definitely not past his "Used By" date. Nothing But You and Connected alone redeem him for now in my opinion. If he's gone this far with a relatively limited set of sounds and effects, what's going to happen when he shuffles some things around? Ultimately the longevity of an artist is in his talent, not in the samples he uses.

Production aside, he's still firmly my #1 DJ; no other moves me, emotionally and physically, like he does.


Posted by INDY on Nov-23-2003 18:44:

i still my paulie .


like everyone said in here, reflections is a side of paul that we don't know.....yeah, we are used to the great basslines and hard beats that paul gives us, but an artist always have to expand diff horizons and he did so with reflections. pvd fans just have to honor this and stop BITCHING LOL


Posted by Pete Mitchell on Nov-23-2003 18:44:

i cant comment on his recent productions,as i havent heard reflections,but as far as his live performances go recently? i havent nearly been impressed since his Energy 2003 set...


Posted by INDY on Nov-23-2003 18:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Pete Mitchell
i cant comment on his recent productions,as i havent heard reflections,but as far as his live performances go recently? i havent nearly been impressed since his Energy 2003 set...


LOL i guess you haven't heard his live @ roxy set 11-14-03? eh?


Posted by YellowG555 on Nov-24-2003 01:34:

I dont know about you guys, but dont you think pvd's been playing the same tracks over and over again? Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge pvd fan (I flew from LA to NYC for his roxy set)...it's just that I can predict at least half his playlist before I step into the club. He kinda pissed me off when he played NBY for his encore at roxy too...I mean c'mon, yeah that's his tune, but he's raped that song for what seems like 2 years now.

I dont know, maybe a lot of the promos out there right now suck ass or something, but he hasnt been playing a lot of new stuff...you know to the point where you look at your friends and say "What is this song?"

What do you guys think?


Posted by Zombie0915 on Nov-24-2003 02:00:

maybe i dont have enough music in my collection, saw him a coupla weeks ago and couldnt recognize half his set. Reflections is really nice to drive around the car with, maybe not to turn up loud as hell and disturb others, but a very nice cd nonetheless. He's changed, yet still has that same uniqueness to him i think. I try to take things as they are as opposed to what I expect them to be. I dunno about this 'used by date' or anything like that. Paul's performances are some of the best experiences I can find when i go out. I dont really compare things tho, I dont really get the point of these discussions or why the same one's pop up over and over, but I think I'll post this and see how it flies


Posted by Spacetime17 on Nov-24-2003 04:42:

quote:
Originally posted by politicsofdancin
LOL i guess you haven't heard his live @ roxy set 11-14-03? eh?


Yeah! That was an awesome set I was there... but I'd like to get it as mp3. Where did you download it? Thanks!


Posted by Magnetonium on Nov-24-2003 10:40:

Talking PVD forever ...

Paul van Dyk is not losing his touch. YES, he is moving on ( ) into a new direction,yet I still like his new stuff, and I am looking forward converting those MP3s I have from Reflections album into the actual CD that I'm going to get from the store for Christmas . Of course, it's not his greatest album, certainly a little disappointment from my point of view, but overall, he's an excellent producer and a great DJ. So quit whining, and start complaining!


Posted by Lexus33 on Nov-24-2003 16:12:

This is the most ridiculous thread I have ever read, or one of them, LOL.

Why do you guys keep saying a DJ is past his prime???? What exactly is his PRIME??? Music is a form of expression and as a DJ encounters things in his life and matures in life his music will change and be influenced in MANY different way. Do you really know anyone that spins the same style music when he first started out!!!??? If he did that woudln't make much sense would it. They must change with the times and incorporate different techniques and sounds, that is how they stay fresh and unique and showcase their talents. Just like Sasha did on Air Dawn Dagger. That is NOT a typical Sasha album or even something you would hear live when you see him but it was an album that depicted a time in his life that he wanted to share with us and capture through music. You guys just don't get it and sound like a BIG ass when you say a DJ is not in his prime!!!

Do you think these guys are football players or professional athletes. What they are doing is NOT physical it is a mental and creative expression. As long as their brains and minds are thinking about music and they are producing it, they ARE IN THEIR PRIME. Now shut up and get a clue!


Posted by mets4012 on Nov-24-2003 17:19:

quote:
Originally posted by politicsofdancin
i still my paulie .


like everyone said in here, reflections is a side of paul that we don't know.....yeah, we are used to the great basslines and hard beats that paul gives us, but an artist always have to expand diff horizons and he did so with reflections. pvd fans just have to honor this and stop BITCHING LOL


u tell em indy i dont know why people are bitching cause he changed i actually like the album except for that hip hop track thats the only one im not really interested in at all besides that the album is good imo and listen to the lyrics in like a friend very deep


Posted by digitaldreams on Nov-24-2003 17:22:

His livesets were some of the best I've heard all year. Past his prime? Nah I think he has a lot more in him. Am I obsessed with PVD? nah, just can't judge him bc of reflections.


Posted by umes23 on Nov-24-2003 17:54:

anyone who suggests paul van dyk is past him prime is an idiot.

no, reflections does not use the same sounds as always.... it is pvd's move to diversify... .this means no closed minded idiot can predict where he's going to go next. if you can't respect an artist's need to work on something different three years after his last album without calling it commercial, you shouldn't be listening to new music. times change, life changes, music evolves. if it were stagnant that would be proof that it has no real meaning.

so shutup already and appreciate the effort... if you can't enjoy it, listen to something else.


Posted by mets4012 on Nov-24-2003 17:56:

quote:
Originally posted by umes23
anyone who suggests paul van dyk is past him prime is an idiot.

no, reflections does not use the same sounds as always.... it is pvd's move to diversify... .this means no closed minded idiot can predict where he's going to go next. if you can't respect an artist's need to work on something different three years after his last album without calling it commercial, you shouldn't be listening to new music. times change, life changes, music evolves. if it were stagnant that would be proof that it has no real meaning.

so shutup already and appreciate the effort... if you can't enjoy it, listen to something else.


thank u


Posted by arturob on Nov-24-2003 17:58:

Reflections was a dissapoint except for Crush, That's Life and Kaleidscope. the rest was pure pop sounding. I mean, wtf. Where is Paul heading these days, can someone please tell me?

release one pop album, making a track with 2 hiphop artists, scoring and appearing in 2 motorola tv ads, and 1 automobile testdrive showcase, etc&etc... there are so many things that I forgot what he has done alredy.


cheers!


Posted by arturob on Nov-24-2003 18:00:

quote:
Originally posted by YellowG555
I dont know about you guys, but dont you think pvd's been playing the same tracks over and over again? Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge pvd fan (I flew from LA to NYC for his roxy set)...it's just that I can predict at least half his playlist before I step into the club. He kinda pissed me off when he played NBY for his encore at roxy too...I mean c'mon, yeah that's his tune, but he's raped that song for what seems like 2 years now.

I dont know, maybe a lot of the promos out there right now suck ass or something, but he hasnt been playing a lot of new stuff...you know to the point where you look at your friends and say "What is this song?"

What do you guys think?


I think the same way you are, and this is one of the reasons that are indeed making me change my opinion and view about who Paul van Dyk is these days.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-24-2003 18:06:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
Reflections was a dissapoint except for Crush, That's Life and Kaleidscope. the rest was pure pop sounding. I mean, wtf. Where is Paul heading these days, can someone please tell me?

release one pop album, making a track with 2 hiphop artists, scoring and appearing in 2 motorola tv ads, and 1 automobile testdrive showcase, etc&etc... there are so many things that I forgot what he has done alredy.


cheers!


A couple of months ago you were defending him when people bashed the exact same things you did now.

What's the matter, found another bandwagon to jump on?


Posted by umes23 on Nov-24-2003 18:12:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
Reflections was a dissapoint except for Crush, That's Life and Kaleidscope. the rest was pure pop sounding. I mean, wtf. Where is Paul heading these days, can someone please tell me?

release one pop album, making a track with 2 hiphop artists, scoring and appearing in 2 motorola tv ads, and 1 automobile testdrive showcase, etc&etc... there are so many things that I forgot what he has done alredy.


cheers!


kaleidoscope??? that is THE poppiest of all...
its funny how you were once excited about connected, home and other tracks and now have only negative things to say about them. he made a track with a hiphop artist... and your point is?

and trust me, if motorola gives your new beloved dj the money, exposure from this opportunity they gave pvd, there is nothing you could do to stop him from taking it. and trust me, he would!

QUESTION: why do musicians, athletes, actors, and other performers do advertisements? because they get paid to do it...and it makes them known.... and dont tell me its a bad thing, cause you used to love connected, and that is the only outcoem of that commercial!


Posted by arturob on Nov-24-2003 18:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
A couple of months ago you were defending him when people bashed the exact same things you did now.

What's the matter, found another bandwagon to jump on?

hahaa no. but since i saw paul last it changed my perception on him. and i have found someone who i believe play better music than him. wooooooooooooooooooo

not a bandwagon dude, just writing down my thoughts. same way you do, but just in a more proper way


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-24-2003 18:16:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
same way you do, but just in a more proper way

Oh really? Show me where.

Is the "WAAAAAAAAAA I DIEEEEEEEEEEE" more proper than actually speaking the truth?


Posted by arturob on Nov-24-2003 18:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Oh really? Show me where.

Is the "WAAAAAAAAAA I DIEEEEEEEEEEE" more proper than actually speaking the truth?


yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. although that was a long time ago no?


Posted by DaveSZ on Nov-24-2003 18:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Lexus33
Do you really know anyone that spins the same style music when he first started out!!!???


Paul Van Dyk

hehe


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-24-2003 18:20:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. although that was a long time ago no?


Yeah... last week?


Posted by umes23 on Nov-24-2003 18:20:

arturo, if your musical tastes can change within 30 days to make you dislike particular songs that you liked before, im not sure thats a point you should elaborate if you want anyone to take you seriously.

and if you are so irresponsible to base your entire opinion over who you spent your days going on about over your last experience at space, tehn you werent a real fan....
if you BOTHER to look at the roxy review page, just count how many songs you couldnt claim you have heard before live.... and then see how your bold and unsupported statements come out to be....


ok thats it, i just had some issues with the contradictions... im done questioning your views!


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