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Posted by UWM on Nov-30-2003 05:05:

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Originally posted by ojste
if u dont like it, then why do u bother listening...?

I, as many others on this board do, enjoy listening to a quality broadcast from a large festival. I go in with an open mind, hoping to hear a solid blend of new records, solid mixing, and good atmospheres.

Tiesto's set to me, tonight, however, was laughable. To say I was disappointed would be a gross understatement.

Posted by Pio on Nov-30-2003 05:06:

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Originally posted by Omegasox
I don't understand that. If someone trainwrecks through a whole set, and someone molds them into a wonderful flow, they obviously mixed them better.

No, that's a matter of technique, not of artistic value. It measures in in the long run but there's much more to it.

quote:
Originally posted by UWM

And yes, I know all the Tiesto followers think that his mixing is more than beatmatching, cueing, and, well, what 99% of the DJs in the world do. It's some uber-intelligent harmonic and melodic balance that no other DJ can create except your "master".

Bollocks. It sounds like garbage. Maybe to the newbie fans they love it because Tiesto is the daddy of all EDM, but I mean seriously get off your horse and listen to it from an objective point of view.

It sounds like garbage but it isn't. It's impossible to listen to music from an 'objective point of view'. This is an art, people value and appreciate it from different starting points in musical education, different perspectives in a cultural and social sense. You can only listen from an individual point of subjectivity and thank God for that. Tiesto has been my number 1 after 6 years of going to live events with pretty much all of the djs in the top100 and all of the trance djs in countless ocassions. My tastes have remained static even if I have widened my horizons with other genres. No one does it better for me and I have many reasons based on my background as a classical musician to come up to this point. That's it, sue me.

Posted by UWM on Nov-30-2003 05:14:

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Originally posted by YaleTrance
It sounds like garbage but it isn't. It's impossible to listen to music from an 'objective point of view'. This is an art, people value and appreciate it from different starting points in musical education, different perspectives in a cultural and social sense. You can only listen from an individual point of subjectivity and thank God for that. Tiesto has been my number 1 after 6 years of going to live events with pretty much all of the djs in the top100 and all of the trance djs in countless ocassions. My tastes have remained static even if I have widened my horizons with other genres. No one does it better for me and I have many reasons based on my background as a classical musician to come up to this point. That's it, sue me.

I suppose I can't criticize you for your tastes. I guess it's like me trying to convince a die-hard uplifting trance fanatic how great progressive house can be.

I suppose we will agree to disagree - on the set structure.

The mixing tonight, however, was a disgrace, which is why I posted this thread. For someone who is touted as "#1" it was an extreme letdown.

Posted by Pio on Nov-30-2003 05:24:

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Originally posted by UWM
I suppose I can't criticize you for your tastes. I guess it's like me trying to convince a die-hard uplifting trance fanatic how great progressive house can be.

I suppose we will agree to disagree - on the set structure.

The mixing tonight, however, was a disgrace, which is why I posted this thread. For someone who is touted as "#1" it was an extreme letdown.

Yes, thank you. No one is right or wrong. There are no general truths. And btw. I like prog much more than uplifting nowadays. I'm supposed to be at a party with Danny Howells and DJ Remy right now but I didn't have enough money to make it.

Back to the initial topic....if this set is worse than his Essential Mix from this year, then I won't bother downloading. That was so horrible.

Posted by m0sh on Nov-30-2003 06:33:

Oh you kids can never stop bitching ?
heh

Posted by totev on Nov-30-2003 07:09:

I don't understand why people keep bashing Tiesto for his mixing. Being the number 1 DJ is not at all about technical skills, the DJ Top 100 is a popularity contest, it's all about who THE PEOPLE like most. He's like a pop star, the face of the trance culture or whatever you wanna call it. So take it easy on him, being the number 1 is about image in front of the people, attitude toward the people, interaction with the people. And I think Tiesto's sets are very emotional and he interacts well with the crowd, that's why people like him. DJing is an art, not engineering. Sorry to disappoint those who think that if they can mix better than Tiesto then they should be ranked higher in the Top 100.

Posted by mto on Nov-30-2003 07:49:

Said it before, i'll say it again.. Deep Dish should have been #1 if we're gonna go by skills. But that's me.

The reason why Tiesto won again is because of all of the places he performed and all the live event he did. On some of them he sucked, on some he was good.. but yeah he is becoming overrated. I like Tiesto alot, and I congratulate him on the win, however, when i really thought about it.. he shouldnt have gotten #1.

Posted by dJohn on Nov-30-2003 08:13:

Ok, I take that back..maybe not better, but in a way that I would find more suitable for my type of set.
And yeah I think we should just let up on bashing Tiesto...seems like he's getting alot more hate cuz he's #1 than anything else. Im sure you guys wouldn't comment on whoever was #49 this year.

Posted by DJPG on Nov-30-2003 11:03:

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Originally posted by dJohn
Im sure you guys wouldn't comment on whoever was #49 this year.

49: Mistress Barbara

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Posted by Magnetonium on Nov-30-2003 11:07:

My oh my ... this thread HAS to be deleted ... I cannot find a proper response ...

Posted by allstar on Nov-30-2003 12:17:

Posted by razzi on Nov-30-2003 12:36:

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Originally posted by MK-S
Well put. Although surely you'd expect someone labelled "the world's number 1 DJ" to encompass all skills, both technically and otherwise?

in a popularity contest, would you expect the number 1 person to be the most popular, or have the best technique?

Posted by razzi on Nov-30-2003 12:37:

^^my last post is only valid because that damned djmag poll imo is a load of shit on "DJing skills"

Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Nov-30-2003 13:07:

quote:
Originally posted by totev
I don't understand why people keep bashing Tiesto for his mixing. Being the number 1 DJ is not at all about technical skills, the DJ Top 100 is a popularity contest, it's all about who THE PEOPLE like most. He's like a pop star, the face of the trance culture or whatever you wanna call it. So take it easy on him, being the number 1 is about image in front of the people, attitude toward the people, interaction with the people. And I think Tiesto's sets are very emotional and he interacts well with the crowd, that's why people like him. DJing is an art, not engineering. Sorry to disappoint those who think that if they can mix better than Tiesto then they should be ranked higher in the Top 100.

wrong. the number 1 DJ is determined by who has the greatest global presense. Yes, with this comes the popularity factor, so some of what you were saying at the beginning of your post I agree with. But at the end of the day, if your willing to put in the time and effort to tour, you will win simple as.

btw I actually thought Tiesto's set last night was proper ace. And I havn't said this about Tiesto since Qontact 2001 so believe me this is rare of me to say He interacted with the crowd, he was creative (his spinback from Praiseworthy Tunes (Hoi Polloi Mix) into Riley & Durant - Candesco whilst keeping completely in key blew me away,) and although a workman should never blame his tools he did have some problems with the monitors for part of his set.

I still agree with your post the UWM. I would like to see a real DJ compeition where the results are based on talent and not popularity.

Posted by UnBracKo on Nov-30-2003 13:21:

In a Tiesto's interview Tijs explained that in many gigs the crowd go only to see him for a question of prestige (ow I've seen Tiesto!!) not for the music so as many ppl have said in this thread and as Tijs says (idirectly) being the number 1 is a question of popularity not of the mixing quality. However he is one of the bests for me.

Posted by noikeee on Nov-30-2003 13:29:

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Originally posted by Haak
i can't help cringing when i hear the mixing of nyana cd2. if i was recording that mix for let's say TA Battle of the DJs i would have trashed it and recorded over. and that's a freaking internation cd release

hum.. the mixing isn't brilliant, sounds like there's something wrong with it during the whole mix. but is it that bad?

and for mixing up different styles, wtf i though that was a good thing. even if i think his trackselection is kinda cheesy and sometimes even sounds like he plays it in random order, what in hell is wrong with mixing prog, uplifting, hard trance and techno?

not trying to defend tiesto, i'm not exactly the biggest fan of him and there's loads of dj's who'd deserve more the #1 position but he isn't the biggest pile of shit neither.

Posted by Ste on Nov-30-2003 13:39:

Re: #1 DJ? This is Pathetic.

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Originally posted by UWM
I know there are several threads that discuss / disintegrate into bashing of our "World's #1 Voted DJ", Tijs Verwest. As I listen to the broadcast of Gatecrasher @ NEC, I feel the need to make another.

This mixing is some of the worst I have ever heard. Apparently beatmatching, cueing, and general skill of any sort are not required at large festivals. I mean, you're raking in 30k Euros for a gig, why try?

Another thing - when you can't even mix into / out of your own track, maybe you should stop and think - those 13 vodka / red bulls actually didn't improve my performance!

I'll end my rant now, as we've come to commercial...

...Thank God.

yup. and people say i bash him just for the sake of it?

there you go

Posted by Ian on Nov-30-2003 13:57:

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Originally posted by YaleTrance
I won't comment on a set I haven't heard. And I won't apologize for thinking that Nyana is the only trance mix compilation of 2003 that will survive the test of time.

Ny-Ar-What ???? I'd already forgotten about it, now I'm going to have nightmares

Posted by Ian on Nov-30-2003 13:58:

Re: Re: #1 DJ? This is Pathetic.

quote:
Originally posted by Ste
yup. and people say i bash him just for the sake of it?

there you go

yeah, I find his sets go nowhere, but the man is a 'hero' a 'star' when will people realise he's only in it for the coke money

Posted by TranceGiant on Nov-30-2003 13:59:

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Originally posted by torontotrance
What a hero eh trancegiant and yaletrance?

explain that?

Last time I checked I wasn't Tijs' lawyer and/or press agent?

Posted by Ian on Nov-30-2003 14:02:

quote:
Originally posted by mto
Said it before, i'll say it again.. Deep Dish should have been #1 if we're gonna go by skills. But that's me.

April 1st is 4 months away mate

If you want true skills, look at DJ's like Hype, Sy, Producer (you probably don't know of these cos they don't all play sounds that appeal, but those guys can mix scratch cut fade, do everything that dj's like tiesto & deep dish would be so jealous of, but they just don't whore the publicity)

Posted by Pio on Nov-30-2003 14:55:

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Originally posted by Ian^

If you want true skills, look at DJ's like Hype, Sy, Producer (you probably don't know of these cos they don't all play sounds that appeal, but those guys can mix scratch cut fade, do everything that dj's like tiesto & deep dish would be so jealous of, but they just don't whore the publicity)

Yeah exactly. Skill=Hype, Andy C, Marky, Q-Bert, Mixmaster Mike and all those scratch and dnb double drop trick in your face djs that are underrepresented in that list. So for global presence and appeal to the scenes around the world that are in the know in terms of dance music, it's all about Tiesto, PvD and co. Skill comes to play marginally.

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike

btw I actually thought Tiesto's set last night was proper ace. And I havn't said this about Tiesto since Qontact 2001 so believe me this is rare of me to say He interacted with the crowd, he was creative (his spinback from Praiseworthy Tunes (Hoi Polloi Mix) into Riley & Durant - Candesco whilst keeping completely in key blew me away,) and although a workman should never blame his tools he did have some problems with the monitors for part of his set.

Wow, I'm rather surprised at Mikey . And yes, those kinds of in-key mixing layouts as the one you mentioned make Tiesto experiences much more enjoyable and special because they activate overtones in the musical flow that enhance listening. Maybe I should download this set after all.

Anyway, is it true he was wearing a Vandit shirt?

Posted by dj adagnitio on Nov-30-2003 15:10:

Whats really sad is that Lange got #51. Not that, that is especially high but the man cannot even beatmatch properly. Hes only been spinning for a couple of years!

I think the reason Im picking on him is because he's right up from hybrid who are amazing and deserve a much higher rank.

Posted by TranceGiant on Nov-30-2003 15:12:

quote:
Originally posted by YaleTrance

Anyway, is it true he was wearing a Vandit shirt?
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LOL that would be like Ra�l playing with a Barcelona shirt
But sounds very cool. I hope Paul noticed that

Posted by Christopher B on Nov-30-2003 15:21:

Did you guys hear any of the other sets from that party? Maybe the booth sound wasn't set up well. I've played plenty of parties where the set up was half-assed and it was impossible to tell if my beatmatching was decent or not. Chances are that this wasn't the case, but you never know.

Also, what really matters about the performance was how well the crowd enjoyed it, not how well people enjoyed sitting in front of their computers paying anal attention to the beatmatching. I'm pretty sure that my technical skills are better than Tiesto's, as are many peoples, but that doesn't make me a better DJ.

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