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ahhh kinda off the topic but has anyone seen the commericals for "NOW thats what i call music". they throw a bunch of shitty commerical junk in there and it sucks. they make dance remixes to pop tunes. god its horribile. maybe thats why people here dont even take the time to listen to a trance tune. i dunno i still think it will evnetually become big in the U.S. i just have a feeling. i dont know if that is for the better or worse. the artist will make more money, but i dont see how its going to change the way they make their music. why would it suddenly become cheesy just because more people like it. to me it seems if artist feel their music is reaching more people they will try harder and make it better for all of us to enjoy. dont worry about it becoming commerical, because we people here will have the songs earlier than any of our friends who dont like the music and just started playing alice deejay in their car. you dont have to tell them what song your listening to. its not going to stay underground, it will evolve and expand, just as a lot of things do. give it time, once one radio or tv station starts doing it...they will all follow if it helps their ratings. money hungry bastards!

you guys do have a point with the rave thing getting a bad image here in america. when i mentioned the word "trance" or "house" to my cousin, he said that he figured people who listened to these kinds of music are druggies and pissed drunk kids in a rave. i guess what they don't understand is that we actually like the music and we go to parties as such because we like it, not that we just want to get fucked up with drugs.
i was actually watching this show where this college kid desrcibed a rave as some impromptu thing where "drugged out" kids go to and where they have all those neon lights. i myself would want to go to a club, rather than a rave..the police always breaksit up anyway.
america is too dominated by record companies. what and what not to listen, what's cool, and what's not. that's why the club scene in europe is much more bigger, they don't really give about the record companies.more like, if the music is good, why not?

The bulk of Americans are too simple-minded to listen to a genre of music such as trance. For some reason, most of them flock to commercial-pop stuff like flies to shit. I'm an American too btw. Sure, some techno/trance may break into the mainstream once in awhile...but its always encased in a "pop" shell meaning its verry commercial. America won't be having anything like the Love Parade for a very long time but there are still some pretty damn big events such as DEMF.

Hmmm...

Did anyone on this board go to Coachella?
Wonderful, big event, big names. It wasn't an immensely huge event like the Love Parade, but 50,000 good-vibed people showed up.

Anyone planning on going to Nocturnal Wonderlands in LA?
How about Creamfields in Las Vegas or New York?

My point being that there are big events that happen here. They just might not be broadcasted in the same way they are overseas. The medium through which information about the genre is passed on is completely different. There are no radio stations that I know of here in American that broadcast electronica 24/7.

Does it really matter if America conforms it's attitudes about the electronica genre to be like that of Europe? No.
People who are interested in this type of music can find out about it from certain sources and other people who don't like this type of music don't have to pushed onto it.

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Originally posted by Xavier dear oh dear, are you serious (did you mean that literally), you Americans still up to that part where raves are in a warehouse and run down building? If so, That is so far behind where I come from (Sydney) One big rave in Australia is Utopia, and it gets a fantastic setting because it uses The Sydney Superdome - the olympic venue that was used for gymnastics & basketball. There are minimal candy kids at raves here, though the worse thing is the candy kids dont go to the raves they go to the clubs eventhough most of the raves is all aged!

See you are a lucky guy. You get nice places that have nice facilities, and lovely music. I get run down ice-skating rinks to go to. Yea, what a cool place huh. I totally agree w/ everyone on this subject. Candy Kids should be beat, exceptionally beat, maybe even shot.. twice.. *phht* (along with barbara walters), and I cant wait for the music that we had 3 years ago, now that was the all time best music period EVER! ..hehe *pun*ROCK ON IN THE USA* I guess the US just has to wait for time to take its coarse, and hope Ms. walters, of infinite knowledge and wisdom, doesnt save us all from doom, and evil. My friend went to coachell she loved it. Thats what we need more of, and not just more, but we need that kinda stuff on a more regular basis, to shadow the random warehouse's we so often use. Im done now And to 78Orange, my parents think raves are tools of satan.

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Originally posted by blankmind The countries just too spread out. I mean, how is someone in Nebraska going to get introduced to trance?

Hehe, I'm glad you picked that state.. I live in Omaha, Nebraska and I've been into trance for about 2 years now. :P I got introduced to trance by checking out internet radio stations and stumbling onto Digitally Imported Radio

I totally agree that people here view raves badly. When I was in high school, the people I knew saw raves as an opportunity to go and get fucked up beyond belief.. not about groovin to some pounding beats and flowing melodies. It's just going to take time for the conservative people to change their view on clubs and electronica. Unfortunately, you also have to accept that there are a lot of people in the US that will always associate clubs/raves/etc with drugs, whether they are at the clubs dancing, or someone that doesn't go to clubs. Here in the US, people that persecute people because they don't understand what they are seeing seem to always have the loudest voices. Don't get too worked up about it. Prove them wrong. Live and let live. Enjoy the music!

peace!

Thanks for reminding me.

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Originally posted by blankmind I don't think trance will ever be nearly as popular in America as it is over in most of Europe. The countries just too spread out. I mean, how is someone in Nebraska going to get introduced to trance?

That excuse i've heard 1000x and its completely useless. How could someone in Austria know about trance from the UK? Its so spread out!

Oh, wait. There are loveparades in Vienna and Newcastle, as well as Tel Aviv, Berlin, Johnannasburg, South Africa, a Technoparade in Paris, festivals in Belgium, the Netherlands, even places like Bulgaria, etc, etc that are thousands of miles away from each other. I don't buy it. The distance thing is the same in Europe as the US...

I'll comment more later.

I'm coming to think its more about quality exposure (especially radio) which just doesn't happen in the US...

Look I'm American so it OK for me to say this, but:

The problem with Trance catching on in America lies solely in Americans themselves, Having Dj'ed over half the country I been to alot of crap clubs and problem #1 is Americans in general like to sing and dance to songs they know. Most Americans, obvisously not the ones here on TA, but most have really bad taste in music, America is a rock, rap, and pop country. They want to hear in clubs the same crap they hear on the radio, which leads us to prob #2.

America needs a national radio station, they main reason the club culture is so strong here in England is because they have a national broadcast station (Radio 1) that when as soon as friday evening comes around your inundated with some sort of Trance, House, Drum & Bass for almost the entire weekend. Now some of the major cities in America do this but until is done on a national level the scene will never grow.

Problem #3 I wont type much on this one, cause someone already covered it, but Candy Raver or just E/K-hole junkies etc. You kill the scene for everyone, No club owner in their right mind wants to sink millions of dollars into opening a super club, Pay thousands to top Dj week in and week out only to have you OD and die in his club. Thats just bad business.

hm, trinity may not be able to spell his own username (LOL)
but he definitely knows whats up.

that lack of radio seriously hurts the exposure, as well as the "raver" stigma

I know I've been trying to get that typo changed since my first day here (ha ha ha)

Heres my two cents on why something like the love parade will never happen in the US. First the only way for it to happen is in a big city, say SF, NY, Chicago... A few things against that happening though, one with the amount of homelessness, crime, and general abundance of people in said cities it wouldnt be safe. So an big DJ that happens to come must play at a concert hall and then it looses its magic. FOr a "rave" to stay the spiritual thing that it is, it it forced to look for smaller venues. Now I dont want to stereotype anyone, but there are certain groups of people in america whom ruin the gathering for everyone else that just arent present in europe. Case in point stupid drunk college kids. In europe people know how to control themselves at the parties with alcohol it seems. Ive seen way to many groups of smashed college, frat boys in particular, come into readily accessable "raves" and cause trouble and ruin it so we are forced to look for more secluded venues where such incidents wont happen. Problem is at such small venues big name DJs wont come. So I dont see something as big as Love Parade ever happening here. If anyone from chicago has any other opinion let me know. If they are around the U of Illinois secene Im sure you call recall a few events in particular.

Meta

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Originally posted by Metabeing In europe people know how to control themselves at the parties with alcohol it seems. Meta

I wouldn't say that, you get exactly the same all over the world. But I agree about the crime and other aspects of large US cities. Look at the problems they had in Newcastle for the UK parade this year, and although Newcastles pretty big by our standards it's nothing compared to other cities. Can you imagine trying to shut off large areas of New York or Chicago for a whole weekend? It just wouldn't happen.

I don't buy the response that U.S cities are to big for one second. I'm originally for New Orleans, every year we put on Mardi Gras for weeks, streets, stores etc. shut down completely. New York has the Gay Pride Festival which parades through N.Y. ending up in a huge street party, Miami host the Winter Music Conference. Big cities have absolutly NO problems handeling large scale events. The dance music culture is just not taken seriously in the States, for the reasons I posted in my previous reply. And until it is events will not happen on a national level.

Not to mention if a Love Parade was to happen, lets say in New York, how many people, outside the immediate driving area would actually attend, if your coming from San Fran, take a look at your expenses, at least $600 for a flight, hotel in Manhattan $180-upwards, not to mention spending money, lets face the Dance culture in America is manily 19-26 year olds, most of which could not afford the expense of a trip like that.

trintiy, you are right with your point, but look at mardi gras. It is an event that dates back for quite some time. And takes place in a city that relies heavily on the fact that it is a party city. If anywhere in the us, an big event would work there.

Second the Gay pride and million man (black pride) marches are things that have government funding and are protected by equal rights and free speech laws. A big party isnt going to be funded, or approved, by George Bush Jr. Mr. Conservative himself. Look at our hippie type bands and their following, like Phish or Grateful Dead, both now gone. Their event were loathed by cops and hundreds on police walked the grounds looking for sellers and users of hard drugs, and these events only took place in arenas, how would something in the streets sit with the police. Another example, Woodstock 2000. This is a music festival with a rich heritage in Peace and Love, but what happened, mass riots, arson, more than just a handful of rapes, and a couple dead. Something like that is going to be on any promoters mind.

I do agree that dance culture isnt take seriously here, for the most part its seen as a crime because of the chance occurance of ODs that make it to the news and the fact that its not something that is played on the radio or MTV. Its something that will come in time though. Ive seen my local vinyl shop getting more and more business and we finally have a local radio station that plays only dance (trance, prog, house....) and even has live shows on the weekends. And this is in Chicago. Imagine how hard it will be for North Dakota to get something like that. (No offense to ND).

It kinda hurts to see big name producers to work with Nsync, but hey it gets them, the culture, and our cause more exposure, and with that more acceptance. And thats all its really about right, spreading the music?

Meta

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING!

(that was in FireMarshall Bills voice...

When I listen to Judge Jules live @ Qontact, PVD live from Home, I WISH I WAS RIGHT THERE!!!

The thing is there are DJ's here in the US who CRAVE to play trance, but say 'No one is ready for it...' --Especially is smaller cities...

These same people listen to shit music that is top 40, or that crap from the 70's disco or something...

...blah.

IF I had the money, I would LOVE to open a club here where I live and then spread the club as a franchise, enabling security, media coverage and all that to advertise... hehe, but no investors.

Anyway, if THE MEDIA here in US will start using more trance type music in their ads (I notice some do alot with techno type music) then people get into it....

Also, I know people listen to the crap hip hop shit these days, in which I dont care for and TOO SLOW.... I used to listen to hip hop and soul back in my days when it was real music talking about goals and stuff like that... These days its talking, killing people and all that no nonsense...

Anyway, ever time I download a live set or single, I spread it out amoungst my friends and they do the same... Infecting everybody with trance type music. I rememeber my daughter once asked:
Daddy why do you listen to music with no or little singing? (shes 11)

Then I replied: Reasons were 1)It doesnt remind me of some love I had once before, so I wont get depressed with a song I remember from someone... like those top 40 crybaby music 2)you can work out to it 3)puts you in a energetic mood, keeps you from being lazy 4)gives you a WAY better positive behavior-- even IF your worse day has appeared...

Anyway, to make a long story longer.... TRANCE in the US is here, underground yes, but infectors like me are making sure its peeking above ground... I already have my friends and some of theres- converted....

i think it has to do with alot about our culture... our culture is very "set " in its ways... and people here have a hard time with change. "If its not broke why fix it"... thats the motto of the US. Also there are a shit load of laws everywhere against the scene in North America. Here in central fl/ orlando... there is a no raving law. Raves arent allow , they are illegal.They are considered "music festivals" Glow sticks are considered paraphenilia aka "drug paraphenilia". most glowsticks are only allowed in afterhours clubs.... which consists of 1 club. And maybe a few clubs here and there.. but not in the major clubs. I hate to say it .. but the scene as it is in Europe will never be like that here. Unless people start to vote against these types of laws and do and say what they believe in. I think the most important part is that people have also abused the scene. Such as drug wise.. focusing on beanz aka Xtacy. Some dumbasses out there.. go and take the shit die and we get blamed for it.. and because they did it at a rave or a club... "ITS BAD!!!!!" The people who normally take the shit and overdose have no idea as to what the scene is about .. and why it came about. they just think because they know who Paul Van Dyk is and Oakie... then they know the scene.. little do they know that it goes way far back than that. And unfortunately those are the people that has ruined our chance of becoming like the rest of the world in the electronica/techno/trance scene.

3 thumbs up for raverchicadee!

I agree!

If I mention it then that person goes

er....uh... YEAH! I know PVD, Paul O, but have you heard of DJ Skribble and some other "top 40 well known" DJ...

When I mention Armiin Van Buuren or VDM, or maybe the ones WE already know they are like: Are they like PVD? Paul O? Or how about the 3 Bad DJs?

HA!

US is TOO conservative.... Then again we have SO MANY cultures here crammed into one small ass country, but we all seem to listen to BRitney or backstreet bozos, and we're scared when something happens in OUR backyard.... Plus we're all in this hip hop stage right now... The same ole grind dancing (with peeps who CANT dance)

Thats why we need to introduce by the people who already know, already DJ, already making demos, and introducing it to the media... and the other parts of USA.

I think were all coming to the same conclusion, it's bacically just the American mentality that kills the dance music scene. Until that changes I wouldn't hold my breath for any national events, just be happy your local scenes are growing.

Or you can take my chosen route and move to England. (HA HA)

I think Thor pretty much nailed it. Here in the U.S. it's pretty much been the big record companies telling us what we are going to listen to...when it should be the other way around. But, they're really only in it for one reason...$$$$...They really don't know dick , nor do they really care about the music. Is it sellable. that's their main concern and it seems like when they find something that sells good, they tend to stick with just that and run it into the ground. So what we end up getting is instead of a wide variety of music on the radio, we get the same few songs played every 5 minutes...over and over and over. This really does suck. I also think that the reason we don't see any big events like Loveparade, here is because of the ongoing attempt by the ones in charge, to outlaw fun. Whenever you threaten to have a good time, there are about a gazillion specialty groups that want to put a stop to it before it even begins. This whole bullshit "war on drugs" thing plays a major part in that. Because of paranoid government and religous groups, a "Loveparade" here in the states would be nothing short of a miracle.

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