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Yeah, most of the female singers tend to look like centerfolds these days with the glitzy skimpy glamor shots. Not that I don't mind, but they do seem to draw all the attention, when in fact there's a mastermind at work creating the real music and even fixing flat vocals. Lol. But girl DJs? They're about as common as female drummers.
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maybe one day a real female trance dj/producer will turn the tide for women. Maybe one day the social rejects will actually get laid by going to these events. Lets all hope. Shiet i bet one of those pioneer females might even come from TA who's fed up with all the testosterone in the scene. But im gonna have to agree that at the moment women like the cheese and the "Oh i love you, im stupid, i messed up will u take me back" RnB. Commercial tends to play peoples emotions to sell thier product. And i will also agree on the intelect issue. I find that out of all my friends...its the intelects who want find more substance in songs that they dont get from mainsteam crap. But all my lower intelect friends just babble about how original and non repetetive rap is. I dont even bother to argue with them....they just wouldnt get it.

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Originally posted by webmeister I think in Australia we don't have the same discrepancy that you guys seem to have .. I can think straightaway of several female trance DJs (Miss Mel, Amber Savage, Bexta), though most of them spin hard trance However, in Sydney our main local trance night is fairly evenly split .. most of the time it's probably 65% male / %35 female, but that seems better than most of what you guys get? Prog events get a lot more girls than trance events though, and breaks/house events get even more again....

That's because Australia has a lot more females than males. What's the ratio? 1 male to 3 females? lucky bastids

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 u got it on the nose... woman need the vocals, especially to sing along to. Instrumental art is very hard for woman to grasp they think emotions are normally expressed through words; where as men feel much different about the subject. I just think woman are becoming more & more social and men are not... that is why there is a huge gap in sex with accordance to dance music.

I completly agree with the above expect for the fact that women are becoming more social. I just think the way in which men and women express things are different. Women may do it through speech and for the most part men don't. Which may be why men don't really need the lirics. For example in most trance song with lirics, i rarelly ever listen to what the lirics are actually saying, just the tone in which is it said. Until maybe quite a bit later, when i've heard the song a dozen times. Women may listen right away. Just the way our brain imo

I find that most females are too worried about their looks and self esteem to dance to the music. My girlfriend loves it, but she refused to dance at a rave we went to. It's amazing.

They are just too worried about what others might think.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

i think for the most part women are more selfconscience then men. Because our society, espicially here in north america, have thought them from day one what they should look like. A hollywood star and the such. its all around them. where as men, we just need talent to be famous. They need talent and beauty. So I think alot grow up selfconscience about everything they do, even if they have no reason to be.

and misstress barbara kicks ass live

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Originally posted by neoh I find that most females are too worried about their looks and self esteem to dance to the music.

i don't think that's true at all. I spin at a club and it's usually the girls that brave the empty dance floor first. the guys always follow the girls. it's my rowd reading strategy to pick a girl in the crowd and make her dance.

Theres the dj from faithless

yeah i wanna know too :P we need more females in here!!!!

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Originally posted by DJ Mil0 Theres the dj from faithless

That's Sister Bliss, and she's a house DJ.

Sandra Collins is a good dj

The only girls I know who seem to appreciate non-vocal music as much as vocal music are the girls I know in my youth orchestra, which is about half men and half women. Unfortunately they only really listen to classical.

I have a female friend who is an excellent Progressive House DJ. She's a little low on the self-confidence though and often passes up opportunities to play out. I'm wondering if maybe girls get intimidated by the fact that in mainstream culture, talent without good looks often goes unappreciated, and they think that also translates into the DJ culture.

The only girls I know who seem to appreciate non-vocal music as much as vocal music are the girls I know in my youth orchestra, which is about half men and half women. Unfortunately they only really listen to classical.

I have a female friend who is an excellent Progressive House DJ. She's a little low on the self-confidence though and often passes up opportunities to play out. I'm wondering if maybe girls get intimidated by the fact that in mainstream culture, talent without good looks often goes unappreciated, and they think that also translates into the DJ culture.

Why is dance music dominated by Males?

Coz the world is sexist.

As far as DJ's go I also think that girls on the dancefloor like to be led by a man..I am not sexist, its just the way of dancing. You waltz, the man leads...you dance to electronica, the man leads. Now I know this sounds like a lot of shit...but its the way I see it. I know/ have PLayed with some really good female DJ's who are as good as any male DJ...but they struggle to get werk because although they may draw groups of guys to clubs...they dont bring in many chicks...and therefore you get a club full of guys...which of course doesnt werk...unless its a gay club

No I am not sexist...and some of my favourite DJ's of all time (Misstress Barbara and Sister Bliss) are women...its just they way I see it.

ouch

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Originally posted by Christopher B The only girls I know who seem to appreciate non-vocal music as much as vocal music are the girls I know in my youth orchestra, which is about half men and half women. Unfortunately they only really listen to classical. I have a female friend who is an excellent Progressive House DJ. She's a little low on the self-confidence though and often passes up opportunities to play out. I'm wondering if maybe girls get intimidated by the fact that in mainstream culture, talent without good looks often goes unappreciated, and they think that also translates into the DJ culture.

Ouch...what about me?! Mr. I got Paula hooked on trance (and eventually prog, etc....)! jk

Anyway to the subject- I don't think its the need for vocals...not for me anyway, though I do appreciate a good vocal track.
Take Sasha for example,I can't get enough and I do believe every original production of his I've heard is devoid of a vocalist.

ive noticed that too, alot of males everywhere on the floor and less girls. and it suks to see that theres never any single girls on the dance floor, theyre always taken.

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Originally posted by TrAnCeAkI yeah i wanna know too :P we need more females in here!!!!

we should trade kai for 5 female djs

k-swing is a very good breaks dj. you all should check her out.

I dig dj rap.

everyone is bringing up some very good points.

Culture these days seems to be truly based around MTV, and when was the last time you heard trance on MTV? We may here one cheesey techno track in a blue moon, but that's it. MTV is hot, it's sexy, it's what people want to base their lives around, it's what's cool and what all good young people should try to be. Not to sound sexist, but I think many guys (and of course the girls that actually do like trance) are a little more non-conformist, and try to get away from this model. In doing so, we discover the amazing world of trance

As for seeing girls at clubs, it seems that when many girls go out "clubbing", they're not going for the music, they're going for the atmosphere. They want a fun nightlife, with lots of young hip people that match the MTV cookie cut-out. They don't find this at trance parties, though, but rather at hip-hop clubs, and at best, maybe some house.

Also, girls may want faces behind the names. All of these "DJs" may sound like they're just a bunch of nerds who could never make it big and get on tv. 50 cent, ludacris, etc, have their names out there. But for djs, they're not doing it to get their names and faces on tv, which is what females may want.

The entire electronic music scene, seems to be, like it has an almost "nerdy" connotation to it. In the minds of many, it's created behind a computer by people who don't want to perform in front of a live crowd, etc. Females don't want this, they want music to be made and song for them, from people with confidence.

With time, hopefully this will all change, and trance music will get the respect and maybe popularity that it deserves. But we all gotta think, do we really want it to be that popular? sure, a 50/50 ratio would be awesome, but trance becoming mainstream is really something to think about...

But anyway, I'll stop rambling on now.

For the females on this forum, and the friends I'm sure many of us have who like trance but are also female, I salute you! Us guys really do cherish every trance girl we can find, if only there were more of them out there

-gavin

cause it's 'cool' for guys to listen to electronic music, while for girls it isn't. girls care more for being accepted by other people, and listening to what most of the people listens to (mtv) makes them 'cool' and allows them to be integrated more in the society. and yeah, there's the vocal factor, almost all girls will like only catchy vocals with catchy lyrics. and almost all the girls you see on the parties don't care much for the music, just for partying out itself. while guys rather explore the music and study it carefully, girls prefer spending time with other stuff, not think too much about the music, rather thinking a lot about relationships for example. it's different ways of thinking, and different values on the society.

hope this load of crap made any sense

If you look beyond DJs, there are a lot of girls working behind the scenes in dance music. Many of the DJ booking agencies are owned or run by women and there are a lot of female managers. There is also a strong female influence at the dance magazines and radio stations. Girls do have a presence, its just not as obvious.

Re: ouch

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Originally posted by Paula Ouch...what about me?! Mr. I got Paula hooked on trance (and eventually prog, etc....)! jk Anyway to the subject- I don't think its the need for vocals...not for me anyway, though I do appreciate a good vocal track. Take Sasha for example,I can't get enough and I do believe every original production of his I've heard is devoid of a vocalist.

hehe, I was hoping this post would slip by you. Didn't want to name any names lol...

Re: ouch

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Originally posted by Paula Anyway to the subject- I don't think its the need for vocals...not for me anyway, though I do appreciate a good vocal track. Take Sasha for example,I can't get enough and I do believe every original production of his I've heard is devoid of a vocalist.

you are a very rare person

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