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Originally posted by pumavisor808 I'm just saying that I'm pretty confident that everyone who's ever tried any drug in the last fifty years knows that it is bad for them... Do you really think there are people out there that think heroin is good for them??? They know it's bad, but they're still gonna try it. NO amount of articles, or warnings or laws are going to stop people from doing drugs. People who want to do drugs are going to do them. Every kid in America knows cigarettes are bad for them, but kids still start smoking. Even if the article or study says that doing drugs would give you Aids, people would still do drugs.

Yes, a bunch of articles and studies won't make people stop doing drugs, but they will reduce their number. An average person is pretty stupid and short sighted, and tends to forget the consequences of his/her actions. That's why people need to be constantly reminded about such matters.

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Originally posted by djSlain drugs are for thugs.....and idiots

And ur still a wanker

talk to the hand sista

fool

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Originally posted by placebo Dont believe anything you read Dont believe anything you hear And only believe half of what you see Drugs are somewhat bad, sometimes, but its cool when you eat grilled cheese and fondle yerself on crack-cocaine laced with brownie powders and donuts...YUM! ~mmkay

I don't believe you, wait, if I didn't then I would believe...but then.....damn. I quit.

imo this is as worthwhile a post as any, especially as its in the chillout room

besides drugs are not just bad for the individual but for others too, as there is a direct link between drug abuse and anti social behavior

I'm not saying X nescescarily, but if this post puts one young clubber off taking it, its gotta be a good thing

Gives a whole new meaning to the story - X-Men

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Originally posted by montie genetic mutations could be good human DNA is mutations from gorilla DNA....

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Originally posted by raveed exactly.... KNOW UR BODY, KNOW UR MIND AND KNOW UR SOURCE!!!!!! ^ remember that line well

Drugs are stupid, you don't need that line.

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Originally posted by diffusion Drugs are stupid, you don't need that line.

If you want to do drugs, go ahead and do them, if you don't want to do them, then don't do them...Just stop whining and trying to foce people to stop doing drugs...

The majority of people who use drugs use them recreationally and their use will not affect their lives at all. They will continue to live a normal life. So can you please stop preaching to us?

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Originally posted by pumavisor808 If you want to do drugs, go ahead and do them, if you don't want to do them, then don't do them...Just stop whining and trying to foce people to stop doing drugs... The majority of people who use drugs use them recreationally and their use will not affect their lives at all. They will continue to live a normal life. So can you please stop preaching to us?

As I've already said, people are stupid and short sighted and need to be constantly reminded of the consequences of their actions, otherwise they tend to forget things. Another factor is that drug users are usually teens in puberty who can't think straight.

Good post Kaps

Its funny the negative reaction you get from posting a scientific article... Maybe it's due to their sudden realization that they have been destroying their bodies more than they had thought? lol

Ive used E and felt long term side effects from it.. not good. I expect to see more studies like this showing just how damaging MDMA is, especially to the brain...

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Originally posted by jdjd Good post Kaps Its funny the negative reaction you get from posting a scientific article... Maybe it's due to their sudden realization that they have been destroying their bodies more than they had thought? lol Ive used E and felt long term side effects from it.. not good.

Like what?
How do u know it was the e causing them?

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Originally posted by jdjd Good post Kaps Its funny the negative reaction you get from posting a scientific article... Maybe it's due to their sudden realization that they have been destroying their bodies more than they had thought? lol

Yeah, denial is the first step, then comes the frustration.

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Like what? How do u know it was the e causing them?

Mental side effects, memory loss, low motivation, sick sometimes etc.
How do I know it was the E? Its impossible to definitively say the cause of anything, but before E -> fine, after E -> cant remember shit, cant focus, foggy state of mind etc...
Not good for someone like me in a hardcore uni program...

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Originally posted by jdjd Mental side effects, memory loss, low motivation, sick sometimes etc. How do I know it was the E? Its impossible to definitively say the cause of anything, but before E -> fine, after E -> cant remember shit, cant focus, foggy state of mind etc... Not good for someone like me in a hardcore uni program...

The thing is, any effects would probably take many years to become noticable. And during that time loads of things couldve happened to cause those symptoms. Like hitting ur head, medical problems, change in personality, exhaustion, fake/laced pills, drinking too much etc

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq The thing is, any effects would probably take many years to become noticable. And during that time loads of things couldve happened to cause those symptoms. Like hitting ur head, medical problems, change in personality, exhaustion, fake/laced pills, drinking too much etc

Does brain damage from huffing gas take years to notice?? Probably days... Im not making a comparison between the 2, just showing that the length of time it takes for the damage to occur could possibly be anything really...

The concensus is that E causes memory loss, the phrase "e-tarded" came from somewhere... its not a special case with me. I really think there is something happening there, hopefully soon there will be some studies to prove/disprove this.

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Originally posted by jdjd Does brain damage from huffing gas take years to notice?? Probably days... Im not making a comparison between the 2, just showing that the length of time it takes for the damage to occur could possibly be anything really...

It depends on the amount of damage and what gets damaged. E doesnt do damage that would be noticable within a short amount of time. Even then, it probably wouldnt cause most of the symptoms u mentioned. AT least it hasnt been proven to.

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The concensus is that E causes memory loss, the phrase "e-tarded" came from somewhere... its not a special case with me.

The phrase "e puts holes in ur brain" came from somewhere too, doesnt mean that actually happens.

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I really think there is something happening there, hopefully soon there will be some studies to prove/disprove this.

There is something happening
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/wh.../dopamine2.html

lol dare lol

i don't even do X and i still think that article was bullshit. i heard that e causes some sort of permanent damage to the brain but e causing dna mutation doesn't sound right to me...this is just another one of those "drugs are bad" stories designed to keep the public scared of raves.

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Originally posted by Shad0wmaster i don't even do X and i still think that article was bullshit. i heard that e causes some sort of permanent damage to the brain but e causing dna mutation doesn't sound right to me...this is just another one of those "drugs are bad" stories designed to keep the public scared of raves.

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"Cocaine and ecstasy have proved to be more dangerous than we had imagined," said Giorgio Bronzetti, chief scientist at the National Center for Research's (CNR) biotechnology department. "These drugs, on top of their toxicological effects, attack DNA provoking mutations and altering the hereditary material. This is very worrying for the effects it could have on future generations," he said.

chief scientist at the National Center for Research's (CNR) biotechnology department
I think he may know a little more than you on the topic...

PumaVisor's got my vote. A man's gonna do what he wants to, short of violating one of those commandments or something like blowing someone's friggin' brains out. A little bit of drugs to make life more interesting makes it more interesting. We all take some kind of drug daily be it alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, or whatever... If you get some kinda mutation by doing drugs, then that's the end of the family history line I reckon---unless you read the Toxic Avenger comics.
{{{smoke}}}

This is just like when they said lsd does genetic damage or whatever. Just because a scientist says something doesnt mean that information is reliable. And when governments are involved, there is a good chance that its complete bs, and thats what i think this is.

if we can't trust our scientists, who can we trust?
2 + 2= 5, this is what my teacher says, but how can i trust her? she's a robot

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq This is just like when they said lsd does genetic damage or whatever. Just because a scientist says something doesnt mean that information is reliable. And when governments are involved, there is a good chance that its complete bs, and thats what i think this is.

What's this AIDs thing you're talking about??? Whaddya mean we can't make free love??? It's the 70's/80's man! Free love!!! Yea!!! The man's trying to put us down!!!


Granted the two are almost polar opposites but one must wonder ... why do most drug users place greater credibility in scientific research that shows drugs may not have as much negative impact in certain areas as once thought than reports detailing potential risks that a drug may have? The entire basis of your formulation of the health hazards of a drug are based upon research, why LIMIT yourself to the research that says everything is all fine and dandy whilst you casually dismiss research saying otherwise?

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Originally posted by djSlain if we can't trust our scientists, who can we trust? 2 + 2= 5, this is what my teacher says, but how can i trust her? she's a robot

nobody by themselves.. get used to it. Especially scientists funded by government (at least i believe NCR is mostly ran off gov't money) money and offering unverified studies as infallible truth..

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