Israel confronted by demographic realities

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Posted by borron on Dec-28-2003 06:18:

Palestinian nationalism will die in 15 years? No suicide bombings in 12 months after the wall is completed?
It's obvious you live in Israel; it's the only place anyone would even think that.

Palestinian nationalism will exist as long as the israeli oppression. It will never die. The more oppression there is, the more people will die, the more suicide bomber candidates there will be.

And you think the fence is a magic wall? They will find ways to do that, tunnels below the fence, paying off israeli soldiers (don't you think that doesn't happen!), starting to use old people as bombers... there are lots of ways to do that.

I sincerely don't understand most israelis position. You are digging yourself a hole, can't you see that? You are in a arab region, surrounded by millions of arabs. You are humiliating, killing, pissing off arabs. One day, maybe the US president will be an anti-zionist; maybe the US will go bankrupt and cannot help israel anymore; etc etc.
The day that happens, the day Israel weakens, all it's enemies will crush them. Just think of how your future will be in 50 years time if you people don't find a solution:

Best case scenario: Israel was a debilitant economy, completely ruined; palestinian attacks occur once a month.

Worst case scenario: Israel has no economy at all, no help from the US; palestinian attacks almost every week; arab attack from surrounding enemies a nudge from happening.

Is this fiction? Maybe it is, but it's much closer to the truth than your documentary post, Yoepus.

Fact: recently on a poll, more than 50% of the europeans think that Israel is the biggest threat to peace in the world. Of course this hasn't reached the israeli media, it all gets filtered there.

Posted by Palestinian on Dec-28-2003 08:28:

One person, one vote

Actually 'extremist' groups in the Occupied Territories are NOT fighting for the Right of Return. Palestinians outside of Palestine are the ones fighting for it. The groups IN Palestine have no time to think about their people outside of the territories, they have their own suffering to worry about. Human Rights NGOs and the 6 million Palestinians outside Palestine and to some extent the PA are the ones who fight for the Right of Return. It's true that studies show that most refugees will not want to return to Israel proper. That's more reason to accept the Right of Return now isn't it? Those who live in horrid conditions in refugee camps in neighbouring countries wish to return and it is their right. But the influx of Palestinians will make Jews the minority in Israel and most likely create the One State Solution. The one state solution means a democratic state for all. Israelis don't want a democratic state for all but a Jewish state with a Jewish majority and that is the biggest obstacle to peaceful coexistence. We're ready to negotiate a two state solution when Israel is, but there is another problem facing Israel. The demographic problem. The Arabs in Israel a new study shows will be the majority in 10 to 20 years. Either way, the one state solution is going to happen. Call it Israel, call it Israelopalestine, the name is not the issue. The issue is one of democracy, one person, one vote.

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