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Originally posted by speedracer_mec my political paradigm

Any non-americans who's curious how Bush ever got electected should check out speedy's 'political paradigm'. Bush and his supporters tipify what the euros have adepty labled the 'Ugly American'. Its times like these I'm emarrassed to call myself an American.

Billy Clinton should cum back, he was my role model.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Any non-americans who's curious how Bush ever got electected should check out speedy's 'political paradigm'. Bush and his supporters tipify what the euros have adepty labled the 'Ugly American'. Its times like these I'm emarrassed to call myself an American.

well head on out

immigration isnt as strict in other countries so they will gladly take you in.

LOL your funny btw

on a side note..

if you try to sneak into texas with that attitude of yours....they strap you up and send you straight to huntsville..


you know what goes on there right?

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Originally posted by igottaknow Any non-americans who's curious how Bush ever got electected should check out speedy's 'political paradigm'. Bush and his supporters tipify what the euros have adepty labled the 'Ugly American'. Its times like these I'm emarrassed to call myself an American.

btw "the people" didnt elect bush...remember?


the electoral college did


[sarcasm] us cowboys down here in dirty conservative texas wished we swung tha popular vote in bushs favor..tooo bad we didnt [/ sarcasm]

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec if you try to sneak into texas with that attitude of yours....they strap you up and send you straight to huntsville.. you know what goes on there right?

Can only imagine what you racist southerns view as justice...it's probably place where you lynched blacks. It's amazing how seem to embody worst of America.

Vote for him or dont, talking about it aint gonna change she-it

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec Ted Kennedy looked like a big fat baby that just had a sucker jerked out of his mouth espousing over Bush's bill to reform medicare and his drug plan for the elderly. Why? Because he can't stand the fact a republican has done something for a voting block they so deeply cherish and depend upon.

Luckily most Americans aren't stupid enough to fall for that Republican Medicare scam:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/poli...oll_031208.html

For many low-income elderly people, they will actually have to pay more for prescription drugs under the new plan.

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President Bush said this would be a long tedious task.

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I want liberals to get off the wealthy's back. In case you don't know it ace, it's those same people that profide jobs for us.

Ace?

Here's what all those kindly CEOs have been doing to...err I mean for the American people as of late:

SBC cuts 4000 jobs in Texas (after cutting 20,000 since 2001):

http://news9sanantonio.com/content/...t.asp?ArID=7489

Enron CEO and top executives lie about financial troubles and sell their stock before the company goes under (laying off tens of thousands of people around the world who also lose their life pensions):

http://www.time.com/time/2002/enron/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1780075.stm

Levi Strauss plans to outsource, that is, send jobs to 3rd world countries without labor or wage standards, ~6000 jobs from US/Canada:

http://www.mail-archive.com/futurew...a/msg11793.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/recession...,681281,00.html

Those are the tip of the iceberg:

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NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - U.S. job-cut announcements rose in October to their highest level in a year, according to a report Tuesday by an outplacement firm that keeps track of job cuts. U.S. businesses announced 171,874 job cuts in October, up 125 percent from September's level of 76,506, according to Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas. It was the greatest number of job cuts since 176,010 in October 2002.

http://money.cnn.com/2003/11/04/new...omy/challenger/

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GW will easily win next year. It'll be a pleasure watching him destroy Dean in the debates.

Haha I can't wait. It will be like the Kennedy/Nixon debates.

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Originally posted by Photo_bot_2k1 all this stuff doesnt change the fact that everyones knows that bush is a stone cold moron

Hmm, nope not nearly "everyone."

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the american public truly isn't full of braindead idiots who are controled so easily by the media, bush will not get reelected

If you changed "isn't" to "is," and "will not" to "will," that would probably be a correct assessment hehe.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec if you try to sneak into texas with that attitude of yours....they strap you up and send you straight to huntsville..

Wow you sure showed him! I suppose it's a capital crime to speak your mind now...

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Originally posted by igottaknow Can only imagine what you racist southerns view as justice...it's probably place where you lynched blacks. It's amazing how seem to embody worst of America.

Haha, now you've stooped to his level (and that's hard to do).

Is Joe Lieberman from Connecticut really that much better than Bush?

No.

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Originally posted by Orbax Vote for him or dont, talking about it aint gonna change she-it

She-it.

Good advice buddy.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Haha, now you've stooped to his level (and that's hard to do).

I think i hurt my back.

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Is Joe Lieberman from Connecticut really that much better than Bush? No.

Don't assume just because I'm from Connecticut I like Lieberman. He's a fence sitter who only makes decisions after he figures out which is the winning side. He is Jewish and has made it known that he unequivocally supports Israel and the tactics they use. Bottom line it will be cold day in hell b4 I give him my vote.

In general there isn't much separating the Republican and Democrat party. Both for the most part shape their policies around the interests of big business and the wealthy. Then they slap on window dressing to appease the average voter or raise controversial issues such as abortion to distract them from the real issues.

Unfortunately, Bush will be re-elected not based on his efforts to improve the conditions for the common man, but because he is perceived as confident winner who's patriotic machismo makes the public feel proud. Most popular leaders in history have used patriotic call to arms to win support to distract the public from domestic problems. Hitler used these tactics to perfection, using war and patriotism to nullify any decent.

Since Bush kicked ass in Iraq and the economy starting to recover I can�t see him losing.

*cue Ride Of The Valkyries

We don't want this thread in here ... it's been done a million times already ...

Not to mention it comes with plenty of flamebaits already.

(was originally in chillout fyi)

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Originally posted by occrider We don't want this thread in here ... it's been done a million times already ... Not to mention it comes with plenty of flamebaits already. (was originally in chillout fyi)

yeah, i noticed that it got moved too


i usually don't come in here, it was in my profile

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Originally posted by occrider Not to mention it comes with plenty of flamebaits already.

I usually dont waste my time replying to trolls but I'm trying to improve my writing skillz.

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Originally posted by igottaknow dont skillz.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec Liberals don't give a damn about the working man.

really? says who? to find out lets first look at the definition of liberalism:

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A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberalism

i guess labor unions and civil rights movements are a prime example of how little we care about the common man, huh?

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec They want as many people paying in taxes so they can have as many people they can to depend on the US government for support.

so? some people cant get work or are unable to work. what do you suggest we do with them? send them to prison camps? mass executions? or just ostracize them from our society for being obsolete? theres nothing wrong with paying a small tax for the benefit of those in hard times.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec They don't give a shit about either group or their rights.

can you back any of this up with reputable source? i think not.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec Ted Kennedy looked like a big fat baby that just had a sucker jerked out of his mouth espousing over Bush's bill to reform medicare and his drug plan for the elderly. Why? Because he can't stand the fact a republican has done something for a voting block they so deeply cherish and depend upon. Anything that comes out of that fat murderers mouth makes me want to puke. In his speech to a group of elderly, he hollered to them, "Get up, get up". I'm sure when he drove that car off that bridge into the water in '69 he said the same thing as it was sinking, "Get up Ted, get up". And he did and left a woman to drown in the back seat while he ran away like a coward. He didn't report the wreck till 24 hours later. He is scum and it's a travesty that people vote for this POS. He opitomizes the fat, gluttoness, slothen white ugly American. And his nephew Michael Skakel is another prime example of what he stands for.

so one bad person ruins the whole bunch? from your post so far from your posts it seems your just an ignorant texan that bitches a whole lot about something he seems to know little about. does that make all texans bad? i doubt it.

(im going to ingnore the fact that you used the word 'white' between slothen and ugly. as if you meant to say that being white is something to be ashamed of.)

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec Liberals are good at excuse making and finger pointing.

and youre any better?

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec People in Iraq say they are relieved now that Sadam has been caught. They said they were afraid we would give up and leave. Now where did they get that from?

people here say theyre happy that we have president bush. not everyone agrees.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec Let me help you, most of the idiots running for the dem ticket for pres. President Bush said this would be a long tedious task. Dem's are also known for no patience. Now with the capture, they will no longer be able to say GW didn't get his man. As for Bin Laden, by looking at the shape old Sadam was in when they pulled his sorry ass out of that hole, I'd bet a month's pay maggots have already stripped Laden's bones clean. Sadam said he would go out in a blaze of glory. Bull shit

exactly, how do democrats have any relevance in your argument? your flaming liberals, lets try to stay on subject, mmmkay? unless youve confused democrats and liberals to be the same. in that case, id suggest you use a dictionary before you go running your mouth.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec I want liberals to get off the wealthy's back.

you mean by leaving capitalists alone? so the gap between rich and poor can grow? why the fuck would anybody want to do that?

or do you mean by levying the rich? why shouldnt we? they get tons of money and its not like theyre doing backbreaking work out in the sun all day. a few relatively small taxes isnt really gonna hurt em.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec In case you don't know it ace, it's those same people that profide jobs for us. The evil big oil and drug companies, where would we be today if they did not exist. Petroleum products are used in almost everything we use in our lives. Get it through your head, liberals are not going to take money from the wealthy and give it to you or anybody else.

and in case you didnt know, its those same companies that eventually learn that they can lay off factory workers for cheap labor in third world countries.

also, i suggest reading dave's post above. he makes some very good points.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec GW will easily win next year. It'll be a pleasure watching him destroy Dean in the debates.

i concur. bush is such an intelligent man he will crush all his foes with ease! i say that we spend some time to marvel at the wonder that is bush by reading some of his quotes

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec Democrats know their party is making a mistake with Dean. Gore laid the last nail in the coffin.

again, how does the democratic party have anything to do with your anti-liberal whining?

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec The liberal party is out of touch with reality and this past election is going to look like a tap on the ass compared to what is coming down in '04. Liberals are about to get the shit kicked out of them.

wow! thanks for the insight!

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Originally posted by occrider We don't want this thread in here ... it's been done a million times already ... Not to mention it comes with plenty of flamebaits already. (was originally in chillout fyi)

I agree. Go away thread! uggh.

Bush might be good at invading other countries that don't stand a chance and starting wars and spreading propaganda to boost his ratings, but he doesn't know how deal with our internal problems, which, in the long run, is what we really need.

Vote for Edmund Bush!

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Originally posted by Christopher B Bush might be good at invading other countries that don't stand a chance and starting wars and spreading propaganda to boost his ratings, but he doesn't know how deal with our internal problems, which, in the long run, is what we really need.

See now, this really is an interesting question. Dubya is the firts MBA president. He actually probably knows a lot more about economics, business, and general macro stuff than most of his predecessors actually knew. His controversial tax cuts and budget deficits have actually resulted in a boost to internal economic activity and unemployment has been trending lower while overall taxes have gone down. Fiscal policy has long time lags and the effects of his actions haven't really taken their complete toll yet, but already they have shown a good level of effectiveness. Arguments like these are starting to sound more like beating the drums of opposition for opposition's sake more than anything.

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Originally posted by Shakka See now, this really is an interesting question. Dubya is the firts MBA president. He actually probably knows a lot more about economics, business, and general macro stuff than most of his predecessors actually knew. His controversial tax cuts and budget deficits have actually resulted in a boost to internal economic activity and unemployment has been trending lower while overall taxes have gone down. Fiscal policy has long time lags and the effects of his actions haven't really taken their complete toll yet, but already they have shown a good level of effectiveness. Arguments like these are starting to sound more like beating the drums of opposition for opposition's sake more than anything.

Yep, job growth is showing potential even in the face of the mass exportation of jobs overseas to third world countries. It probably does have more to do with a cyclical business cycle of boom and bust than any actions of the current or past president.

Bush is a moron, but that doesn't mean that people won't vote for him. Here are a few points...

A. During the debates Bush talks R E A L S L O W and doesn't cover too much. This is a plus in many cases because a lot of people can't follow what smart people say very well. Also, remember all that BS he started doing with peoples names during the 2000 debates? There have been numerous idiots in power because of 2 things. 1. They have smart people on their staff. and 2. People like being smarter than the president. Look at Canada, our last PM couldn't even speak one of the two national languages properly.

B. Most elections are predicatble in nature. In the US there are only a handful of states that matter. The rest usually go a certain direction each time. Winning those states is what gets you elected. As I see it now, Florida will decide it again, and it is leaning towards Bush.

C. The world is revolving around defense and military power right now (as sad as that might be). People that don't educate themselves usually just vote for the traditionally militaristic party.

D. Dean is REALLY far left. This is going to turn a lot of people off, no matter how dumb he makes Bush look in the debates. Some might even feel sorry for Bush because of it. Sympathy also counts.

E. If you follow yuppie trends at all, you know how popular Bush was when he took office (purely on a superficial level). People dressed like him, he was was the elderly pin-up boy. He is coached on fashion and speaking manners very diligently by very smart individuals.

F. In 2000, Bush drew lots of Democratic voters because his policies gave them extra cash. While many would say that's obsurd since the good of the world is at stake, many are nearsighted and wouldn't mind the extra 2 grand that they save by checking the Bush box.

oh man there are so many points I want to make, but lets just stick to this so far. i am liberal by the way. just wanted to throw in my fitty cents.

i would love nothing more than to see clinton back in power. but until the Dems find another Clinton, they are going to be reliving the 80s. Dean is no Clinton.

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Originally posted by Dopey i am liberal by the way.

Yea you and 95% of the rest of TA haha.

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i would love nothing more than to see clinton back in power. but until the Dems find another Clinton, they are going to be reliving the 80s. Dean is no Clinton.

Dean appears to be alienating the centrist Clinton-esque wing of the democratic party and has actually termed the Clinton term in office as being "damage control" against the republicans ... angering many centrists (and the Clintons) in the process. I think we're going to see a lot of political maneuvering in this upcoming election depending upon Dean's performance in the democratic nomination. You can bet Bill Clinton was not pleased (and a lot of other democrats as well I'm sure) with Gore's backstabbing of Lieberman. At any rate, I'll reiterate my stance that as much as I would like to see bush out of office, Dean cannot do the job. I don't think he would be able to capture the votes of even the entire democratic party much less the independant votes or steal republican votes. Furthermore, as the economy continues to improve, he cannot keep campaigning on the "I hate Bush, he's making everything suck" ticket instead of campaigning his merits and how he's going to be any better.

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