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well and here is that other transition I talked about
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0151463301/dreamcatcher.mp3
it's from firewall- sincere to dreamcatcher- I don't wanna loose my way... I could have EQed it better but the beats were producing so much interesting sounds that I just left them alone. Any feedback (Nem and the rest of the crew) is always welcome.
Cheers!

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Originally posted by benoitfan well and here is that other transition I talked about http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0151463301/dreamcatcher.mp3 it's from firewall- sincere to dreamcatcher- I don't wanna loose my way... I could have EQed it better but the beats were producing so much interesting sounds that I just left them alone. Any feedback (Nem and the rest of the crew) is always welcome. Cheers!

That's the most interesting transition I've heard in a while

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Originally posted by benoitfan well and here is that other transition I talked about http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0151463301/dreamcatcher.mp3 it's from firewall- sincere to dreamcatcher- I don't wanna loose my way... I could have EQed it better but the beats were producing so much interesting sounds that I just left them alone. Any feedback (Nem and the rest of the crew) is always welcome. Cheers!

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That's the most interesting transition I've heard in a while

ah yeah!
that transition really owned!!!!
and killing the bass on every first beat there was brilliant!

woa nice ppl that made my day hehe
cheers!

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Well there is your answer... As the rush comes is a dodgy track and needs to be thrown on the fire. j/k.. sort of. Cheers Nem

You really hate that tune dont you....
Send it back to power in bits

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Well there is your answer... As the rush comes is a dodgy track and needs to be thrown on the fire. j/k.. sort of. Cheers Nem

I guess that explains my love for grilled cheese.




hehe, what I think this is, is that the sound waves are 180� different. That is, when one wave is peaking, the other is at its low. and I think that is what is cancelling out the beat. I will fooling around with some audio equipment in the new year to replicate it with simple sine waves.



I also noticed myself doing this more, I just recorded a mix and it seemed like I heard this in every transition. http://www.scsv.nevada.edu/~crossma...omer1219002.mp3
im not sure how my uni will like hosting an mp3 but i will try, this one has PVD's Connected into PQM Are You Sleeping. you can really hear it at around 1 minute, total cut out.

Re: BASS LOSS when mixing

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Originally posted by Clyde77 hey guys, some tunes just dont go together. (bass wise) so i loose the bass.. i know for sure that the tunes are beatmatched perfectly but for some reason i still loose it like 4 counts i loose bass then it'll come back again. is it the volume of the record coming in or is it something with the EQ? any tips? thanks in advance1!!

i have learned to love the sounds of two kick drums cancelling eachother out, and moving slightly in and out of phase - it's something unique to dj'ing and means your beats are matched dead on

- musashi

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Originally posted by Boomer187 Since I am going to grad school I know an Auditory specialist. He runs research on audition. I am trying to figure out what physically makes the bass go out. Now this has only happen to me a couple of times, so I might have to ask you guys questions. but this phenonmenon even happens in your head phones right. Because there is a thing where sound waves reverberate back and sync up to cancel each other. but if it works in your headphones it would not be that. also could someone record this?

It doesn't have anything to do with the sound coming out of speakers and then reverberating back. The beats are canceled when they come out of the speakers the first time, so of course it would do it in your phones.

I'm sure there is some scientific equation that explains why the bass is canceled or flattened when beats from two different tracks are synced up.

I don't know how advanced you are with your skills on the decks, but you could also try adjusting where the beats hit during the mix. Try putting the beat, of the record you're bringing in, in front of or behind the record you're going out of. Not so much that the beats are off, but just a hair in front or behind and this will change the way the beats cancel and sometimes allows the beat to be stronger depending on where you place it with the other one.

Also, if you have two copies of a record, put them both on at the same time and start them at the same time. Get the beats matched and it gives you a flange effect. It's pretty cool because you can play with one of the records, speeding it up or slowing it down a little, and the flange effect with go through a whole range of sound. It's pretty cool, plus, it might help you understand the beat canceling thing better.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 I guess that explains my love for grilled cheese. hehe, what I think this is, is that the sound waves are 180� different. That is, when one wave is peaking, the other is at its low. and I think that is what is cancelling out the beat. I will fooling around with some audio equipment in the new year to replicate it with simple sine waves. I also noticed myself doing this more, I just recorded a mix and it seemed like I heard this in every transition. http://www.scsv.nevada.edu/~crossma...omer1219002.mp3 im not sure how my uni will like hosting an mp3 but i will try, this one has PVD's Connected into PQM Are You Sleeping. you can really hear it at around 1 minute, total cut out.

You should notice it in every single transition you do if you have have good mixing skills.

It's not as complicated as you guys are making it out to be. It is what it is. If you're matching beats properly the beats are going to cancel to some extent no matter what you do. By adjusting the bass on each channel and playing with were the records are in relation to eachother you can change the degree of canceling, but it's supppose to happen when you mix. It's not some strange phenomenon that only a genius could answer.

Don't lose any sleep on it.

ur problem was hit on the head with the first reply to this submission. ur not mixing in phase. all trance music has a structure... theres always 4 sets of 4 beats (16 beats in total) before each change in the tune. at the beggining where the song is building up, it'll start with 4 sets of 4 beats and then add something else (like bass, or clapping or sommat) for another 16 beats and then add sommat else... when a song is mixing out... every 16 beats it'll lose sommat (like bass or clapping!) i doubt this is making any sense at all! all u gotta do is cue ur tune up and start it at the begginging of this 16 beats. u can always feel it. then the bass in the old song should drop as the bass in the new song starts.

http://babelfish.translate.com << a translater to translate this shite into english!

the only other thing u might be on about is the problem we all face... where it sound like the beats are bouncing all over the place. i have found no way to get rid of this, nor any explanation... all u can do is cut the bass in the new track n then half way through the mix, swap bass volumes. as already mentioned by a few ppl.

happy mixin'

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Originally posted by Dj Dezmond ur problem was hit on the head with the first reply to this submission. ur not mixing in phase. all trance music has a structure... theres always 4 sets of 4 beats (16 beats in total) before each change in the tune. at the beggining where the song is building up, it'll start with 4 sets of 4 beats and then add something else (like bass, or clapping or sommat) for another 16 beats and then add sommat else... when a song is mixing out... every 16 beats it'll lose sommat (like bass or clapping!) i doubt this is making any sense at all! all u gotta do is cue ur tune up and start it at the begginging of this 16 beats. u can always feel it. then the bass in the old song should drop as the bass in the new song starts. http://babelfish.translate.com << a translater to translate this shite into english!

thank god someone knows about the basic 4 by 4.

I used to have this cancelling beat thing. Always have the beats matched in phase first, the beats should not cancel, but compliment, making the beats slightly or more stronger.

remember clyde, dont make this harder than it is.

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Originally posted by Dmatrox thank god someone knows about the basic 4 by 4.

He he,Quite a few of us do...

Hey folks it's nit picky Nem again and it's Phrase matching not phase. Meant in a purely educational sense nothing more.

Trust me folks, if you combine Gain control and proper bass EQing you will be able to reduce that bass problem to a level where you will most likely not hear it on a club system.

Cheers
Nem

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