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Posted by mto on Dec-16-2003 20:48:

Listen to the masters, Astral Projection. Some of Yahel work is good too. He produces both trance and psy-trance. But for your information, Infected Mushroom is more GOA than psy-trance. People seem to confuse these 2 genres, they are different however.


Posted by qwikk on Dec-16-2003 22:15:

Violet Vision.


Posted by MaxC on Dec-17-2003 00:06:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Psy-trance producers

quote:
Originally posted by starglider huge tune:

Blue Planet Corporation - Open Sea

Builds and builds and then absolutely flies at the end.

Open Sea is great, but BPC's best song, imo, has got to be ALIDADE!! One of my favorite electronic tunes of all time.

Other artists that warrant consideration but have escaped the list so far include:

Cosmosis (Synergy album is a classic)
Doof
Oforia
Transwave (not quite as original as the above, but some good stuff nonetheless)

Oh and I've gotta recommend "Elixir - Furious"; that song is devastation incarnate.


Posted by MaxC on Dec-17-2003 00:08:

Re: Psy-trance producers

quote:
Originally posted by Sgus
Pleiadians (gms +one more person i think...)
Hold the phone! Pleiadians has nothing to do with GMS. Pleiadians are amazing, GMS is...eh... Check out "Identified Flying Objects" album by Pleiadians to see why.


Posted by starglider on Dec-17-2003 00:28:

Re: Re: Psy-trance producers

quote:
Originally posted by MaxC
Hold the phone! Pleiadians has nothing to do with GMS. Pleiadians are amazing, GMS is...eh... Check out "Identified Flying Objects" album by Pleiadians to see why.


Yep! Pleiadians is actually aka Etnica and IFO is awesome. Another good album that comes to mind is Dimension 5 - Second Phaze, from 2000 (I think), particularly the following tracks:

Limited Dimension (Gate 3 Mix)
The Y Principle
Polaris 2

Very very melodic and well produced.


Posted by PHALPAX on Dec-17-2003 02:35:

I just downloaded sum psy by a producer I've never heard of. To be honest I really liked it, and I was looking for TA's comments on it......


Heres the link to download it, track is called Serpent Rider by Imperial Project:

http://www2.mp3.de/musik/bands/de/2...eb6434721ea6b63


Posted by AC. on Dec-17-2003 03:40:

Rasta

If you like more "trance oriented" psy-trance you should check out the following artist;
Psysex
Alien project
Astrix
Infected mushroom

is you want more "wierd-noise-whatever" psytrance, you should check out these artist;

Skazi
Hux Flux


Posted by Buddhistics on Dec-17-2003 11:10:

Hmmmm.....how come no one's mentioned Area 51?


Posted by Snooper on Dec-17-2003 16:31:

Thanks for the recommandations folks, I'm gonna check out some of these.


Posted by hexnix on Dec-17-2003 20:38:

Check out tracks from:
Man with No Name

nice goa/psytrance tunes!


Posted by SuckUpMySenses on Dec-17-2003 21:04:

wow, thanks for all the artists... im gonna start looking around ! but i have some questions. i've heard the john '00' fleming live set from ireland as well and LOVED IT !!!!! what exactly is psy trance ? if i was wanting to find the most hard hitting genre.. would this be it?? is it say comparable to techno ? is goa the same as psy trance? sorry, these have all been flying around in my head.. help !!! thanks


Posted by MaxC on Dec-18-2003 02:38:

quote:
Originally posted by SuckUpMySenses
what exactly is psy trance ?

The name "psy"trance refers to "psychedelic", as much of the music was originally intended as an accompaniment to drug induced psychedelic episodes (at least that's the impression I get from much of the online psytrance community). Psytrance just kinda has its own vibe/attitude/instrumentation that distinguishes it from other electronic genres. It can range from chilled and layed back to dancefloor mayhem, it's really just a matter of where the producer goes with it.

quote:
if i was wanting to find the most hard hitting genre.. would this be it??

That depends... Are you going to listen to Shpongle or Pleiadians? The Infinity Project or Toi Doi? Even the artist is not always a good indication of what to expect. Take Doof or Total Eclipse for example; some of their songs are pounding and others are smooth and relaxing. Psytrance can be extremely hard or extremely chill, it just depends on the song.

quote:
is it say comparable to techno ?

Let me begin by saying I have extremely limited experience listening to techno, and what little experience I've had I didn't enjoy. With that said, psytrance seems, to me, to be more subtle and intricate than techno (technophiles feel free to correct me).

quote:
is goa the same as psy trance?

Technically, no, although some people will tell you they are. Goa was originally created by splicing and reconstructing industrial beats back in the 70's as a backdrop to the party scene in Goa (India) during that time. Some people liked the sound and decided to make goa music from scratch rather than "remixing" other tracks that weren't originally created for such purposes. A lot of the instrumentation and song structure in psytrance and goa overlap, which leads to the confusion over whether they are the same thing. In my mind, goa and psytrance are like two points on the same continuum; a song can be legitimate goa, or legitimate psytrance, or some kind of hybrid in between. Goa tends to have a more "organic" feel to it where psytrance is usually more "spacey" or "sci-fi" sounding. Many songs include both elements, which is why the two genres tend to blend together.

At least that's my take on things. The more you encounter the music and the culture, the more equipped you will be to form your own understanding of the genres.


Posted by jessicah on Dec-18-2003 04:27:

quote:
Originally posted by mto
Listen to the masters, Astral Projection.


Si, si.

Some goodies from Astral Projection are "Still on Mars," "Liquid Sun," and "Kabbalah."


Posted by EliPsE on Dec-18-2003 04:31:

Eyal
Yahel
Transwave : Helium
(Matsuri) awesome album
Naiduna - "Inner Space" 1 of my fav tracks
Whonic
Space Buddha
gooooooooooooooood shiz

and ^^ what was mentioned in previous post


Posted by Laughingfennec on Dec-18-2003 11:54:

quote:
Originally posted by PHALPAX
I just downloaded sum psy by a producer I've never heard of. To be honest I really liked it, and I was looking for TA's comments on it......


Heres the link to download it, track is called Serpent Rider by Imperial Project:

http://www2.mp3.de/musik/bands/de/2...eb6434721ea6b63


i have heard several tracks from them (or him) on mp3.com , i think it is nice to discover goa trance, but i guess it's amateur.
Btw, i particularly like the tracks "vimana" and "energy gate"


Posted by Sgus on Dec-18-2003 12:45:

Re: Re: Psy-trance producers

quote:
Originally posted by MaxC
Hold the phone! Pleiadians has nothing to do with GMS. Pleiadians are amazing, GMS is...eh... Check out "Identified Flying Objects" album by Pleiadians to see why.

sorry i wanted to say.....pleiadians = Etnica


Posted by SuckUpMySenses on Dec-18-2003 18:11:

quote:
Originally posted by MaxC
The name "psy"trance refers to "psychedelic", as much of the music was originally intended as an accompaniment to drug induced psychedelic episodes (at least that's the impression I get from much of the online psytrance community). Psytrance just kinda has its own vibe/attitude/instrumentation that distinguishes it from other electronic genres. It can range from chilled and layed back to dancefloor mayhem, it's really just a matter of where the producer goes with it.


That depends... Are you going to listen to Shpongle or Pleiadians? The Infinity Project or Toi Doi? Even the artist is not always a good indication of what to expect. Take Doof or Total Eclipse for example; some of their songs are pounding and others are smooth and relaxing. Psytrance can be extremely hard or extremely chill, it just depends on the song.


Let me begin by saying I have extremely limited experience listening to techno, and what little experience I've had I didn't enjoy. With that said, psytrance seems, to me, to be more subtle and intricate than techno (technophiles feel free to correct me).


Technically, no, although some people will tell you they are. Goa was originally created by splicing and reconstructing industrial beats back in the 70's as a backdrop to the party scene in Goa (India) during that time. Some people liked the sound and decided to make goa music from scratch rather than "remixing" other tracks that weren't originally created for such purposes. A lot of the instrumentation and song structure in psytrance and goa overlap, which leads to the confusion over whether they are the same thing. In my mind, goa and psytrance are like two points on the same continuum; a song can be legitimate goa, or legitimate psytrance, or some kind of hybrid in between. Goa tends to have a more "organic" feel to it where psytrance is usually more "spacey" or "sci-fi" sounding. Many songs include both elements, which is why the two genres tend to blend together.

At least that's my take on things. The more you encounter the music and the culture, the more equipped you will be to form your own understanding of the genres.
wow, you seem very knowledgable !! thanks for your input, it helped me out alot since Goa and Psy are two different genres, can you give me some goa artists as well ?? maybe i will be able to hear the difference myself.. thanks !!


Posted by Chang monkey on Dec-18-2003 18:17:

banging psy suggestions?


Posted by PHALPAX on Dec-18-2003 19:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Laughingfennec
i have heard several tracks from them (or him) on mp3.com , i think it is nice to discover goa trance, but i guess it's amateur.
Btw, i particularly like the tracks "vimana" and "energy gate"



Yeah I got a fetish for amateurish stuff at the moment.


Posted by MaxC on Dec-18-2003 20:19:

quote:
Originally posted by SuckUpMySenses
wow, you seem very knowledgable !! thanks for your input, it helped me out alot since Goa and Psy are two different genres, can you give me some goa artists as well ?? maybe i will be able to hear the difference myself.. thanks !!

I'd go straight to the source and find pretty much anything by "The Nommos". Unfortunately they've only released three or four songs (although they have a new album coming out soon), but Goa Gil (who is the core of The Nommos) is basically the godfather of Goa music, so that's where to look if you want the authentic Goa sound. Gil posts his current favorite tracks over at http://www.goagil.com/chart.html so you can check that out if you want some more recommendations.

Most of the artists I've already mentioned in this thread qualify as a bit of both goa and psy, so they aren't too useful in distinguishing the genres. If you want to do a simple one-to-one comparison, compare "Astrix & Atomic Pulse - Scientific Reality" (psy) to "The Nommos - Djembe" (goa). I realize it's a vast oversimplification to try and pigeonhole entire genres into two songs, but I think the comparison might be useful nonetheless.


Posted by Laughingfennec on Dec-20-2003 09:44:

quote:
Originally posted by SuckUpMySenses
since Goa and Psy are two different genres, can you give me some goa artists as well ?? maybe i will be able to hear the difference myself.. thanks !!


Astral projection, Chi-A.D., Miranda, Dimension 5, Etnica = Goa

Hux-flux, Parasense, The delta = Psytrance

Infected mushroom, Hallucinogen, Battle of the future Buddhas, Cosmosis, X-dream = Both i think


Posted by narcism on Dec-20-2003 15:26:

You can get a good feel for this music by listening to some psy-trance
radio streams from the likes of www.pwrgrrl.com or
or by grabbing a DJ set from www.doofcentral.com


Posted by PHALPAX on Dec-21-2003 17:56:

Hux-Flux= weird random sounds


Posted by elena on Dec-22-2003 03:05:

very informative and friendly thread.

btw skazi is nuts. must be so much fun to see a live performance.

btw how accurate is this for a generalization? seems to me that israel, brazi and japan aside from india of course has a greater concentration of psy/goa.


Posted by Snooper on Dec-22-2003 03:33:

How about naming some psy/goa classics? Would be interested to look into that.


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