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Originally posted by PHALPAX Killing something is............killing something. You may justify the circumstance that something was killed for/by, but the fact remains that you are terminating a carbon based organism. To correct myself from my previous post, I was implying the protestant christian right.....catholics are against the death penalty.

Yes, killing is definitely not a good act, but since we live in an imperfect world, then killing someone is sometimes better than letting that person live. Killing innocent children is not good for the society. Killing psychopaths or drug bosses is. Besides, you kill thousands of carbon based organisms on a daily bases anyway.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono If we're going to blame killing someone on being "sick," then why can't we extend that to every day crimes? After all a "normal" person wouldn't commit a crime, would they? If that's the case why do we have punishments at all, after all it's not really their fault, it's biology's and genetic's fault. It's a rediculous precident to set, saying that merely the act of killing someone makes them "sick." Biology and genes can't wield a knife or pull a trigger, only a person can, and that person must be held accountable.

Yes, I totally agree with this. Personally I don't see why some murderers should be spared if they're mentally ill. True, they maybe aren't aware of their actions, but that doesn't justify them in any way. If they're let free, they might unawarely kill again. Besides, it's not like a temporal condition, where a person was unaware of one's actions because he/she was drugged or something. It's a permanent condition, and there's no getting better.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono If we're going to blame killing someone on being "sick," then why can't we extend that to every day crimes? After all a "normal" person wouldn't commit a crime, would they? If that's the case why do we have punishments at all, after all it's not really their fault, it's biology's and genetic's fault. It's a rediculous precident to set, saying that merely the act of killing someone makes them "sick." Biology and genes can't wield a knife or pull a trigger, only a person can, and that person must be held accountable.

no punishments does only work as deterrent example for normal people in my opinion. obviously there is people who commit murder even though they know there is death sentence / life in prison, but normal people just don't risk that. but those sick people just don't care about punishments so therefore they are useless in a way. some people see punishments as some kind of revenge, which i can't really understand the meaning of.

i have also always thought that we have a free choice, but i have after a lot of thinking and discussions in school, realized that we don't really have any. we have a free choice but the outcome in every decision is given. imagine you hate someone very much, you have a gun in your pocket, you can shot him easily, you have a free choice, you can either shot him or not. Depending on your mental health status / your current ethics, you will either shot him or not. a normal man won't so the outcome of the decision is given, is that free choice? everyone takes their decisions based upon something, and what we base them upon is out of our own control.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Of course it is, having the option of parole, leaving to visit your parents and relatives, getting to watch TV on your ass all day long.. yea its really is worse then death

it is worse, because you are conscient of what happens
imagine your entire life in the same environment.

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Originally posted by vswede A man comes into his house and kills his wife and his two daughters he also kills one of his daughters friends who was staying over to spend the night. What punishment does a man who commits such a crime deserve? Would 20, or 40 years in prison bring back those 4 people? No.

would killing the murderer bring back those 4 people?

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Originally posted by tathi If i wear a condom am i anti-life?

yes. not sure if you remember or not, but bush did not want to provide condoms to afirca to reduce the spread of aids due to his beliefs

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If i wear a condom am i anti-life?

I think it depends on who you ask on that one. I'm pro-life, but I have no problems with devices that inhibit fertilization or implantation. However, once an egg is fertilized and implanted on the uterus, I see it as a point where given full course of nature, a baby will be born. Some however see it differently, that the act of sex should only be performed under the hospice of reproduction (old-school catholics, etc). I think that's pretty silly though. We are humans, and as humans we are animals. We have instincts to reproduce, and hell...it feels pretty damn good. I think people will have sex regardless, and preventing unwanted pregnancies during the act is okay. I'm not crying for all those lost spermies that some dude shoots off into his sock every day.

and stem cell research, is that pro-death regardless of how many millions of lives it may save in teh future?

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Yoepus this is silly... its funny seeing all these n00bs trying to recreate our threads

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel You spelled Hypocrisy wrong again Yoepus....and I think you might want to add another m to the word before the last comma MrS

hey lay-off, I have Bush syndrome (sp? ) it is caused by agreeing with Bush on too many issues.

There is no cure, so please be patient and tolerant with me, ok?

is the slurring from too much zionist mustard?

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Originally posted by Yoepus hey lay-off, I have Bush syndrome (sp? ) it is caused by agreeing with Bush on too many issues. There is no cure, so please be patient and tolerant with me, ok?

Sorry, I forgot that I'm not supposed to feed the animals.



MrS

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Originally posted by tathi and stem cell research, is that pro-death regardless of how many millions of lives it may save in teh future?

Here I must say I'm for the stem cell research, as the possible benefits outweight the harm being done.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm all for stem cell research as long as the stem cells come from naturally miscarried fetii, and not from aborted ones. It's very "spockian," this whole "good of the one outweighs the good of the many," but that one person who has to sacrifice themselves for the "good of the many" should still have the choice of whether they want to or not. The aborted fetus does not have this choice, however a miscarried fetus doesn't fall into this category, as it is died "naturally" and I don't think it's life should be in vain. It should be able to help others.

I'm with tito on the issues of the death penalty, punishment, and stem-celled research.

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