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just something id like to breifly point out - i was completely oblivious to this quake up until about twenty minutes ago, when i saw it quickly mentioned on cnn. they didnt even cover it for a whole minute. you'd think that a major news source such as cnn would go more into depth about something big like this, but no. they have better things to do, like telling you who won the last game (they spent much more time covering recent sports than the quake). fucking media.

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Originally posted by Dopey And trying to say that I think Iranians live in mud huts is just stupid.

but you did say that iranians live in mud huts. see:

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Originally posted by Dopey well say whatever u want but it's pretty stupid to spend 5 billion dollars annualy on military when your people are dying under their collapsed mud huts.

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Originally posted by Dopey Just because you cannot understand obvious sarcasm in the English language, doesn't mean that I am uneducated. Please site my idiocy in previous posts.

incase you havent noticed, this is the internet. unless made very obvious, its not hard to overlook sarcasm.

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Originally posted by Flotser and i'm sick of your nerrow mind. and in your posts you havn't realy commented on Dopey's points, rather than on the subject itself and on little-not-the-main-point-of-the-argument remarks like "mud huts". he says one thing and you write a stupid angry answer that is not connected to his points.

Im criticizing his ignorance, just like ive done to you before.

I know my native country well,, and people like Dopey...who is probably on dope while he types, give it a bad name.

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Originally posted by fuct4less just something id like to breifly point out - i was completely oblivious to this quake up until about twenty minutes ago, when i saw it quickly mentioned on cnn. they didnt even cover it for a whole minute. you'd think that a major news source such as cnn would go more into depth about something big like this, but no. they have better things to do, like telling you who won the last game (they spent much more time covering recent sports than the quake). fucking media.

that might be because it happened yesterday morning. it's been over 24 hours so they are covering it less I think. that, and mad cow is what people want to know about.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Im criticizing his ignorance, just like ive done to you before. I know my native country well,, and people like Dopey...who is probably on dope while he types, give it a bad name.

You can't say "people like.." when you know nothing about me. And Dopey is my favorite dwarf, not a reflection of my drug addictions.

I have been watching different media clips via the internet from Sweden, Spain, Germany, U.S, Canada, etc. on this tragic situation and no matter which media website I go to I see many different nations coming together to get help to Iran. It is comforting to see this, after all all that can be done in the aftermath is to help the survivors. It is truly sad and painful however to see the grieving faces of people who have lost their daughter, mother, sons and other relatives, truly sad indeed. I weep with the people of Iran.

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Originally posted by Dopey Iran does support Hezbollah and has active mass weapons research programs. This money could have easily been spent on building code legislature and modernization. Even if it saved five lives, it would have been the better investment for the people of Iran.

it is called natural disaster,you cant prevent it 100% no matter what.SO please stop bringing the whole terrorism and WMD crap,many innocent people are dead.please have some respect.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer it is called natural disaster,you cant prevent it 100% no matter what.SO please stop bringing the whole terrorism and WMD crap,many innocent people are dead.please have some respect.

if deaths cannot be prevented then why did only 2 people die in California?

I have more respect for the Iranian people than their own government.

"Iran has said it will accept aid from any country except Israel"
^^^wtf is that? dont they know the US has more Jews living in it than Israel?

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Originally posted by Dopey if deaths cannot be prevented then why did only 2 people die in California? I have more respect for the Iranian people than their own government. "Iran has said it will accept aid from any country except Israel" ^^^wtf is that? dont they know the US has more Jews living in it than Israel?

Iam not surprised Iran made that comment.why??Since not too long ago Isreal has said that they are planing to attack Irans nuclear facilities.To me thats sounds like war.
All I see is that you are trying to turn this natural disaster into politics and terrorism,which I think is stupid.

You are looking for any excuse to somehow make the Iranian government look like the bad guy here.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Iam not surprised Iran made that comment.why??Since not too long ago Isreal has said that they are planing to attack Irans nuclear facilities.To me thats sounds like war.

don't let the fact that israel is opposed to the actions of the iranian government blind you from the fact that israel wants to geniunely help the iranian people in time of humanitarian crisis.

in general this is where stupid stereo-types begin, instead of bashing a certain administratino people choose to brand the people of a whole nation at the same level

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Originally posted by Izzy don't let the fact that israel is opposed to the actions of the iranian government blind you from the fact that israel wants to geniunely help the iranian people in time of humanitarian crisis.

It is hard to belive that they want to help the PEOPLE,since there is Palastine right there suffering,and I dont see the Isreali PEOPLE doing much about that.If Isreal really cares so much about humans life,perhaps they should start off by helping the Palastinian people who are suffering daily,and die for no reason.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer It is hard to belive that they want to help the PEOPLE,since there is Palastine right there suffering,and I dont see the Isreali PEOPLE doing much about that.If Isreal really cares so much about humans life,perhaps they should start off by helping the Palastinian people who are suffering daily,and die for no reason.

if israel didnt care about the palestinian people why does it offer its medical services and hospitals to them in times of crisis?

http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp...th&enVersion=0&

- OKay.. that investing into better houses comment was ignorant. People in the middle east, by cultural means, leave in this houses. True that they arent secure.. but this region is not an active earquake regin.- If it were an active eearthquake region, those kind of houses wouldnt have been built. Secondly, I saw this picture of a structure that is hold by centuries.. meaning that this kinds of earquaked were not expected.. unthought of. So it was full of nonsense investing money on making sure to make houses that would support earthquakes. If we talk on that sense, then the US gov't is the most dumm in here, knowing that California is spliting from the continent.. and that san diego or san francisco.. ( a major city ) lies in a whole.. that within any minute that whole city will disapear.. and is one of the most populated.. so dopey, dont talk crap shit really.. I cant believe you are making a debated out of earquakes.. damm. Every nation in the middle east ( yes even israel ) has this type of houses where people live in.. but thats not the point.. arrghh.. why arguing, just a little bit of common sense and logic.

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Originally posted by LiquidX - OKay.. that investing into better houses comment was ignorant. People in the middle east, by cultural means, leave in this houses. True that they arent secure.. but this region is not an active earquake regin.- If it were an active eearthquake region, those kind of houses wouldnt have been built. Secondly, I saw this picture of a structure that is hold by centuries.. meaning that this kinds of earquaked were not expected.. unthought of. So it was full of nonsense investing money on making sure to make houses that would support earthquakes. If we talk on that sense, then the US gov't is the most dumm in here, knowing that California is spliting from the continent.. and that san diego or san francisco.. ( a major city ) lies in a whole.. that within any minute that whole city will disapear.. and is one of the most populated.. so dopey, dont talk crap shit really.. I cant believe you are making a debated out of earquakes.. damm. Every nation in the middle east ( yes even israel ) has this type of houses where people live in.. but thats not the point.. arrghh.. why arguing, just a little bit of common sense and logic.

Well said man,proved my point exactly,simply he is twisting the whole thing into a political debate!!

I agree with Izzy, I know that I as an Israeli would have been proud to have Israel provide assitance to the Iranians, and I am sure my country would have even offered if an explict remark banning them from such assistance would not be made.

If it can let the United States, the "Big Satan" provide it with aid, and not the "little Satan" I see something very wrong about that. The US like Israel has no offical relations with Iran, and I do not see any problem when such a natrual disater resulting in lots of human lives lost results that Iran would allow themselves and the Israelis to prove their common humanity. Israel is perhaps the most advancely capable nation to offer Iran such assitance due simply to its location, had they been in better relations lives might have even been saved.

Its sad when one thinks about that.

Obviously there is indirect blame accountable to the Iranian government for this incident, and when 70% of a city's population is dead or wounded you will have both political and social upheaval after an earthquake like this follows, it will be interesting to see the role this earthquake will play beyoned the lives it has already taken.

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Originally posted by LiquidX If it were an active eearthquake region, those kind of houses wouldnt have been built. Secondly, I saw this picture of a structure that is hold by centuries.. meaning that this kinds of earquaked were not expected

there is a fault line there

youre an idiot.

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Originally posted by Dopey youre an idiot.

yup that would be you

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Originally posted by Dopey there is a fault line there youre an idiot.

There are fault lines everywhere you "IDIOT". Is that all you have to say?!?!.. you know that theres this huge volcano thats predicted to erupt somewhere in the Atlantic ocean, close to NYC.. that would cause a huge tidal wave.. why dont US govt invest on making a huge WALL to protect against tidal waves?!?!.. Oh No! Its wasting on the Military and war on Iraq.. all that mone could be sent to protect all this millions OF PEOPLE!! YES MILLIONS!!

pssh.. plz man.

Mud Huts??, hmmm your retarded parents definetly dropped you on your head. Have you even read the news, properly...or do you just look at the points and just come and spread your shitty views on the boards. The earthquake happened on a 2000 year old area, Iranians compared to americans want to keep their ancient heritage intact and preserve it, it is not the governments or even the peoples fault. Please don't come here and think you know what your talking about dickhead.

Have you even seen the other parts of Iran before commenting about mud huts or some shit? ahhh i don't think so, your ignorance has spoken.

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Originally posted by Dopey And Dopey is my favorite dwarf

wow, no surprise there, you follow in his retard tradition.

and to say that Iran could have done more, what about 9/11, couldn't America do more for that...maybe build better buldings

rather than mourn about the people who are dead and the families who are grieving, you come here and practically say that Iran deserved it because they didn't do alot...pfft, ignorance.

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Originally posted by Psygnosis and to say that Iran could have done more, what about 9/11, couldn't America do more for that...maybe build better buldings

9/11
- under 3000 deaths
- has occured once in 10 million years
iran
- a shitload more deaths
- has occured a shitload of times in 10 million years

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Originally posted by Psygnosis rather than mourn about the people who are dead and the families who are grieving, you come here and practically say that Iran deserved it because they didn't do alot...pfft, ignorance.

instead of quoting my dwarf preference why don't you quote somthing I wrote to support that accusation.

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Originally posted by Dopey there is a fault line there youre an idiot.

how profound!

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Originally posted by Dopey 9/11 - has occured once in 10 million years

there werent planes ten million years ago.

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Originally posted by Dopey iran - a shitload more deaths - has occured a shitload of times in 10 million years

wow. incredably descriptive. 'a shitload'...

instead of resorting to childish name-calling, why dont you posts more intellegent replies in this forum?

in all fairness to the Americans, they are building better buildings now since Sept 11th, even retarding the erection of new skyscrappers till they are confident they can withstand such attacks.

Re: Re: Re: Iran Quake vs. Cali. Quake

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Originally posted by Dopey you're saying that Iran has never provided any kind of support for Hezbollah?? I wan't to see you actually say that.

Yes and NO!

The Persian government who was selected by the American government was a terrorist and made people into terrorist...but how can the Iranian people be in support of terrorism when they hate terrorism themselves...

can you tell me what attacks Iran has done to any country for personal purposes??

First, I just want to say how tragic and horrible this entire situation is. I can't even imagine losing 80 of my relatives and all my immediate family in a day. I think it's great that the Americans (despite the "axis of evil" crap), and so many other coutries have sent aid and rescuers.

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Originally posted by Psygnosis Mud Huts??, hmmm your retarded blah blah

The wording of his comment was a bit disrespectful to the Iranians, but he does have a point about their building practices. According to the Guardian, many of the houses were built using mud and shoddy construction.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/stor...1113553,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/stor...1112938,00.html

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Dangerous buildings, lax rules: why Bam death toll was so high Tania Branigan and Brian Whitaker Saturday December 27, 2003 The Guardian Many of those killed by the earthquake in Bam died only because of poor building methods and a lack of proper regulation, an expert on the devastated city said yesterday. In Iran, as in many developing countries, tremors that ought to be survivable often bring human tragedy on a vast scale because buildings collapse on top of people. Two days before Christmas, California was struck by an earthquake similar in magnitude to the one that hit Iran yesterday, but only three people died, thanks largely to safer construction methods. Bam, in contrast, was a disaster waiting to happen. Efforts to bring industrial development to what was a backward agricultural area caused a population boom and a shortage of housing, which local builders tried to meet with cheap, jerry-built homes, or by adding extra floors to existing houses. "Many buildings collapse [even] without earthquakes, because of the poor construction," said Professor Mohsen Aboutorabi of the architecture department at the University of Central England, Birmingham, who has worked in Bam. "There are building regulations, but they haven't been enforced except for highrises. People are desperately in need of housing so the authorities overlook the code of building for earthquakes." Much of the building work is done by property owners themselves, using untrained local labour. There has also been little research into low-cost techniques to protect buildings in the area against earthquakes, he added. Building materials are often inadequate for normal purposes, let alone for use in an earthquake zone. Typical houses are constructed of burnt brick, with mud and lime for the bonding. "On my last trip to Iran I banged two bricks together and they became like powder. Demand for materials is so high that manufacturers don't stick to any standards," Prof Aboutorabi said. "The cost of cement is very high, so they don't use much." Ideally, houses in earthquake-prone regions should have lightweight pitched roofs, closely bonded together, he said. But builders in Bam had largely abandoned the use of corrugated metal - which would be suitable - because of short supplies and a belief that it does not last long. Instead, they used industrial materials without understanding their properties, he said. This results in lethally heavy roofs and ceilings. Many roofs are supported by metal beams between traditional brick arches. On top of that they put a layer of concrete and waterproofing. "The ends of the beams sit freely on the walls, so with any shake, if one goes, the whole roof collapses," Prof Aboutorabi said. Although Bam had few tall buildings, in recent years the high cost of land had encouraged families to abandon the traditional style of single-storey homes, with rooms set around a courtyard, in favour of two or three floors, adding to the danger in the event of an earthquake. Despite the lack of safety precautions, the Iranian authorities are well-accustomed to dealing with the aftermath of earthquakes. Their response yesterday was swift, though hampered by the loss of telephone contact with the city. This may bring relief to the survivors, but the more serious problem is a lack of sustained efforts to prevent future tragedies. "They may create a policy after a disaster, but it's never implemented," Prof Aboutorabi said. "Six months after a disaster they forget it - it just happens again."

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz The wording of his comment was a bit disrespectful to the Iranians, but he does have a point about their building practices. According to the Guardian, many of the houses were built using mud and shoddy construction.

Hmmmmm, thats because it was a 2000 year old area as i said before, they didn't delibretly build it with mud. Have you even seen the proper houses in Iran, they're strong as hell...

this area being a ancient area, wouldn't building newer architechure wipe out its historical value and significance?

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Originally posted by Dopey 9/11 - under 3000 deaths - has occured once in 10 million years iran - a shitload more deaths - has occured a shitload of times in 10 million years

Yes, indeed, there has been only one muslim attack on 11.9. against the US skyscrapers with an airplane in the last 10 million years. But, what you should notice was that there were many terrorist attacks against the US in the past few years, and one of those attacks did infact target the WTC. Prior to that, two US embassies were destroyed. So there was, and still is an imminent threat against US targets worldwide, as well as those on the american soil. Infact, if we take the last 10 years instead of the 10 million years interval, you will notice that the attacks against the US civilian targets were much more common than earthquakes in Iran.

And as far as the historical perspective goes, it's not just the citadel that was a historical monument and a part of national heritage, it was the entire city.

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