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Originally posted by escee the way some people are acting you would think i had offended their mothers. DJs styles are allowed to change, im not the style police, but cant i be dissapointed when he has changed his style to what i think is for the worse?

nah that's totally fair enuff and i've said the same many a time myself, about the likes of pvd etc......guess u just came across in ur first post like u thought he shouldn't progress to new things....

i really hope u enjoy him NYE....crossing fingers for u

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Originally posted by escee You're dead to me boy, more dead than your dead mother... This pseudo techno shit that tiesto is playing is horrible. If I wanted to listen to techno, i'd go listen to a techno dj who had some skill. You cant go from some popular progressive tracks, to some popular trance tracks, to some half assed techno stuff in the space of an hour. I think i�m more than capable to judge this based on the live sets and cds i�ve heard from him this year. His recent cd he mixed for being the worlds number one dj, was crap. It suffered from what I mentioned above, imo, and the mixing was really average. Nyana was crap. Poorly mixed, average track selection. I was really disappointed with it and i'm sure many other people were as well. Tiesto's productions appear to heading the way of his sets. Blackhole is releasing a lot of music in that style now, and Tiesto - Traffic shows the way, which he is heading. I don�t think suburban train, flight 643, and magik journey calibur songs will ever be released by tiesto again. If tiesto plays a sub standard set on new years day, then ill saunter off into the house room probably, and ill take the respect I once had for tiesto with me. Which is truly sad. Fortunately there are other guys, which will carry on my love for trance, armin for the most part. Tiesto should take a few notes out of his book. In my opinion armin should have number 1 this year. Especially when 1 and 2 were tiesto and van dyk. Anyone else think the same way?

AMEN! Agree 100%....If I want techno I don't want to hear tiesto playing a megamix of prog/trance and techno within an hour, give me a 4 hour set min! for that transition with full blown techno tracks not 30 tech-trance tracks after 3 prog and 2 trance.

I saw Armin for 4 hours the other week and he played a nice set, structure wise, not just sampling, but played prog and trance before reaching tech trance and some techno at the end, that's progression.

Style I dun care about, but if you're going to spend more then 1/2 a set playing techno records, make them proper techno tracks, and get good at spinning techno (as escee said).

--djway

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Originally posted by djway AMEN! Agree 100%....If I want techno I don't want to hear tiesto playing a megamix of prog/trance and techno within an hour, give me a 4 hour set min! for that transition with full blown techno tracks not 30 tech-trance tracks after 3 prog and 2 trance. I saw Armin for 4 hours the other week and he played a nice set, structure wise, not just sampling, but played prog and trance before reaching tech trance and some techno at the end, that's progression. Style I dun care about, but if you're going to spend more then 1/2 a set playing techno records, make them proper techno tracks, and get good at spinning techno (as escee said). --djway

ffs give the guy a break....he's NOT a techno dj, but he played at a very techno-oriented event (innercity) and he only had a short set time....i give him kudos for at least trying to play the kinda set an innercity crowd would want - u cant expect him to suddenly just pull out a really really awesome 'proper' techno set when that's just not his style....why should he waste his time perfecting a style that he wouldn't play very often??

and btw, djway with the amount of sage-like advice u hand out about mixing and about how dj's should play, i'm expecting perfection from u NYE

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Why would he play at an event thats not his style? i think that should be the question, and i cam think of probably 50,000 answers which made him agree. PVD seemed to have no trouble sticking to trance for the part of his set that wasnt broadcast? granted it was probably at +8 all the way through though.

It just goes to show that you can't please everyone, all the time.


Also, why do people think that so many rules apply to playing a set?

lol at besmirched

I'll rePLy to this thread after new years and tell ya my rackandpinion...

Although...cmon Armin does not own all trance DJ's..seriously there are so many more better trance DJ's they just cant produce as well as Armin...6 hours maybe the test for him but seriously I find half an hour of Armin and his 'soft NRG' a test..
(but he rocks the shop every time so Kudos to him)

and I agree with Muppet...its live..theres a crowd..they may be going absolutely spastic...you never know

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Originally posted by escee i'd go listen to a techno dj who had some skill. It�s not just been this one set either, I haven�t heard a really good tiesto set through out the entire year. You can say he going through a transitional period or make a number of other excuses, but he has been confused about what to play for a while in my opinion. You cant go from some popular progressive tracks, to some popular trance tracks, to some half assed techno stuff in the space of an hour. I think i�m more than capable to judge this based on the live sets and cds i�ve heard from him this year. His recent cd he mixed for being the worlds number one dj, was crap. It suffered from what I mentioned above, imo, and the mixing was really average. Nyana was crap. Poorly mixed, average track selection. I was really disappointed with it and i'm sure many other people were as well. Gone are the magikal days where you could download a tiesto set and expect absolute quality. Thankfully he stopped at magik 7, besmirching that series with the tripe he plays now would have been awful. No other cd i've heard rivals magik 6, it could be tiesto, it could be trance being made today, it could be, and probably is, a bit of both. But the tiesto we all knew and once loved is gone. Anyone else think the same way?

So are you saying tiesto has no skill??, because you mention how good his older sets are so clearley he has 'skill' he is just has a different sound now and you dont like it so you just flame him

I have not personaly heard a live tiesto set this year but from peopple i know who have and what you read, the vast majority of people would say tiesto's sets "went off" big time and the crouds loved it.

Prehaps the mixing in some sets might not have been the best but;

A good set is one that entertains the croud !!

Changing quickley between different styles might sound shit listing to a recorded set at home but it works live

and the dj is playing for the people in the croud not the people downloading the set.

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Originally posted by First Strike So are you saying tiesto has no skill??, because you mention how good his older sets are so clearley he has 'skill' he is just has a different sound now and you dont like it so you just flame him I have not personaly heard a live tiesto set this year but from peopple i know who have and what you read, the vast majority of people would say tiesto's sets "went off" big time and the crouds loved it. Prehaps the mixing in some sets might not have been the best but; A good set is one that entertains the croud !! Changing quickley between different styles might sound shit listing to a recorded set at home but it works live and the dj is playing for the people in the croud not the people downloading the set.

Funny how any other DJ in the top 100 (excuse PvD also ) can mix the best in almost 100% of their sets.

Funny how any other DJ in the top 100 can play a set for the people in the crowd that kills it in the downloads as well.

(The above is true for MANY more then the top 100, quite a few locals can be applied the the above statments).

--djway

Since when has DJ Mag poll been about technical skills?? Please...it's a popularity contest...and clearly ppl love Tiesto for way more than technical skills.....

And aren't u exaggerating and generalising a tad to say 98 out of the top 100 djs can mix perfectly in almost 100% of their sets?? i'd love to know how u know that

read people.

i said that tiesto isnt as technically good as a techno dj.

anyone who trys to refute that must be stupid, or has not listened to any techno at all, OR doesnt understand just how much they do compared to djs of other genres.

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Originally posted by escee read people. i said that tiesto isnt as technically good as a techno dj. anyone who trys to refute that must be stupid, or has not listened to any techno at all, OR doesnt understand just how much they do compared to djs of other genres.

fully 100% agree but NO trance dj is as technically good as a techno dj.....well, it's not that they're not as good - it's that they don't have the opportunity to show whether or not they are - because, for the mostpart, u just can't do the technical stuff with trance that u can with other genres........if u want to see technical prowess, go watch a tech dj - don't go watch tiesto!!!!

anyways, this thread has gone all tangenty now *lol* regardless, those of u who are seein the man NYE, hope u all have as much fun as i did last night

????

have u been smokin yee ole glass pipe again, that set rocks it!!

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Originally posted by djway Funny how any other DJ in the top 100 (excuse PvD also ) can mix the best in almost 100% of their sets. Funny how any other DJ in the top 100 can play a set for the people in the crowd that kills it in the downloads as well. (The above is true for MANY more then the top 100, quite a few locals can be applied the the above statments). --djway

i don't think so..

so many times you download a set and it just dosen't seem that good, but you know it would have been great if you were their

i rember you saying that about pvd set that you thought was too hard / fast

funny how when a dj who is behind argubaly some of the best sets/ cd's of all time (magik 6, ISOSR) changes his sound or has played some bad sets people say he is shit and he has no skill

funny how when the other djs in the top 100 play on the same night as tiesto he still seems to get the best responce from the croud

funny

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Originally posted by djway Funny how any other DJ in the top 100 (excuse PvD also ) can mix the best in almost 100% of their sets.

DJ'ing is not just about mixing...

Your mixing could put Digweed to shame, but if the songs are shit then it's still going to sounds like 2 shit tracks being mixed together and no-one will give a shit. How many times have you seen people say that the best DJ's read the crowds? I guarantee that 99% of punters would prefer a set of tracks that they love with a few hiccups to a set of boring tracks mixed seamlessly.

Not to say that tiesto is crap or anything, but his mixing skills has never been tops to begin with (but im still gonan see him on NYE and love it) so.. EVERYONE JUST RELAX....
DONT FRET A REAL DJ IS COMING..

FUCKING SASHA MOFOS. TWO TRIBES 2004.
RESPECT.

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Originally posted by escee read people. i said that tiesto isnt as technically good as a techno dj. anyone who trys to refute that must be stupid, or has not listened to any techno at all, OR doesnt understand just how much they do compared to djs of other genres.

you're still baseing this opinion on 'hearing' his sets over an internet connection. Granted, its better than nothing, but it certainly isnt the same as knowing about the atmosphere or the feeling of the night. Tiesto was always gonna play hard @ Innercity. Granted maybe a little surprised myself just how much techno was in his set - but at the same time... the tunes were more tech-trance than they were pure techno. They wouldn't fit in the Cox/Simms etc. sets that you are comparing him to... what the fuck? He isnt a techno Dj... he wasn't spinning pure techno.. just tunes that crossover between trance and techno.

To say he shouldnt have gone to Innercity if he couldnt play his style? what the fuck again... this is his style now - playing a mixed bag of various styles. Not to mention - he must feel indebted to ID&T for making his dreams come true in May... and therefore, if they want him they got him i'd guess.

If you look at sets of 2hrs... etc. you will see a proggy warm start. Trance middle, maybe 1 or 2 tech-trance tracks in 20 records... and then a hardish ending. Fair enough... longer sets jump around these styles with ease - and you say he has no skills? Its much more difficult to mix properly when you are jumping between styles like Tiesto does... explaining away another groan here that he can't mix. If he played just trance like Armin maybe you'd see him mix better with a build - but it would be boring. He loses the ability to surprise you with that one record you never though u'd hear from Tiesto.

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Originally posted by pimp so.. EVERYONE JUST RELAX.... DONT FRET A REAL DJ IS COMING.. FUCKING SASHA MOFOS. TWO TRIBES 2004. RESPECT.

hehehe sorry to dissapoint u, but sasha ain't coming for TT anymore....he's been replaced by lucien foort gimme lucien any day - sasha gives me the shits how he gets up there and acts like he's god...imho, he ain't all that.....and he couldn't create an atmosphere like tiesto if he tried

This whole concept of "you werent there so you dont know" is total balls. I dont need 5 pills, too much bass, and 5000 other sweaty gurners around me to appreciate music. Magik 6, Trondheim, Energy 2000, these are tiestos best 3 sets and you could love them with out being there. Tiesto has played other sets which while not as good as the above 3, are still worth listening too and very enjoyable, FROM THE COMFORT OF MY COMPUTER, CAR, OR A PARTY WITH FRIENDS.

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He isnt a techno Dj... he wasn't spinning pure techno.. just tunes that crossover between trance and techno.

Thats my entire complaint. If i wanted to listen to techno I would, not quasi half assed techno that gets mixed like trance. Because thats all it is.

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To say he shouldnt have gone to Innercity if he couldnt play his style? what the fuck again... this is his style now - playing a mixed bag of various styles.

So next he will be playing at sensation black, i love techno? Simply because he might get asked to? Again my complaint is that he his playing this "mixed bag of various styles" that sounds like shit in the time space he is trying to play it in.

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If you look at sets of 2hrs... etc. you will see a proggy warm start. Trance middle, maybe 1 or 2 tech-trance tracks in 20 records... and then a hardish ending. Fair enough... longer sets jump around these styles with ease - and you say he has no skills?

Youre stupid. WHERE DID I SAY HE HAD NO SKILLS?! i said he isnt as technically good as a techno dj, and he shouldnt mix techno like he mixes trance. Seriously, are so you cut up that I made a valid point about tiesto that you are now blinded with rage and hit the reply with quote button with out reading and comprehending what has been written?

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Its much more difficult to mix properly when you are jumping between styles like Tiesto does... explaining away another groan here that he can't mix. If he played just trance like Armin maybe you'd see him mix better with a build - but it would be boring. He loses the ability to surprise you with that one record you never though u'd hear from Tiesto.

So its ok if my mixing sounds like shit if i play stuff that isnt expected? As has been said in this thread by OzTiesto, its not just about mixing, its about track selection too. And at the moment tiesto has neither of these. A DJ playing a track unexpectedly is one thing. But a DJ skillfully mixing in an unexpected track and you not noticing it until a breakdown, or vocal, kicks in, is an entirely different thing.

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funny how when a dj who is behind argubaly some of the best sets/ cd's of all time (magik 6, ISOSR) changes his sound or has played some bad sets people say he is shit and he has no skill

See above. I didnt say that. Tiesto has been playing average sets for the entire year in my opinion. Its not just been SOME bad sets. Tiesto has been trying to change his sound too much. Maybe next he can try to incorporate some breakbeats into his sets. Kind of like paul van dyk, but paul van dyk hasnt done it as bad as tiesto (please note: i am not at all a paul van dyk fanboy.), and has actually sounded good in a few cases.

Hopefully i've explained my position more and set things straight. But no doubt some of you will misconstrue this as personal attacks on yourselves (except in MichaelBoogerd!'s case which it was), and/or your precious dj, dj tiesto.

Edit: I apologise for the wanky, quote - reply, format of this reply but i thought it necessary to make it specific what points I was addressing.

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Originally posted by escee This whole concept of "you werent there so you dont know" is total balls. I dont need 5 pills, too much bass, and 5000 other sweaty gurners around me to appreciate music. Magik 6, Trondheim, Energy 2000, these are tiestos best 3 sets and you could love them with out being there. Tiesto has played other sets which while not as good as the above 3, are still worth listening too and very enjoyable, FROM THE COMFORT OF MY COMPUTER, CAR, OR A PARTY WITH FRIENDS. Thats my entire complaint. If i wanted to listen to techno I would, not quasi half assed techno that gets mixed like trance. Because thats all it is. So next he will be playing at sensation black, i love techno? Simply because he might get asked to? Again my complaint is that he his playing this "mixed bag of various styles" that sounds like shit in the time space he is trying to play it in. Youre stupid. WHERE DID I SAY HE HAD NO SKILLS?! i said he isnt as technically good as a techno dj, and he shouldnt mix techno like he mixes trance. Seriously, are so you cut up that I made a valid point about tiesto that you are now blinded with rage and hit the reply with quote button with out reading and comprehending what has been written? So its ok if my mixing sounds like shit if i play stuff that isnt expected? As has been said in this thread by OzTiesto, its not just about mixing, its about track selection too. And at the moment tiesto has neither of these. A DJ playing a track unexpectedly is one thing. But a DJ skillfully mixing in an unexpected track and you not noticing it until a breakdown, or vocal, kicks in, is an entirely different thing. See above. I didnt say that. Tiesto has been playing average sets for the entire year in my opinion. Its not just been SOME bad sets. Tiesto has been trying to change his sound too much. Maybe next he can try to incorporate some breakbeats into his sets. Kind of like paul van dyk, but paul van dyk hasnt done it as bad as tiesto (please note: i am not at all a paul van dyk fanboy.), and has actually sounded good in a few cases. Hopefully i've explained my position more and set things straight. But no doubt some of you will misconstrue this as personal attacks on yourselves (except in MichaelBoogerd!'s case which it was), and/or your precious dj, dj tiesto. Edit: I apologise for the wanky, quote - reply, format of this reply but i thought it necessary to make it specific what points I was addressing.

ur also blind to the fact we can have our opinions as well - dont assume cos u thought it was a bad set that we all have to endure ur dry criticism of it. I thought Innercity was an amazing set and i wish to hell i was there that night. Given the chance i bet you wouldnt have minded being there with Tiesto for that set either.
U can call me a fanboy of Tiesto cos i am... but it doesnt mean my opinion is any less valid than yours. If Tiesto makes one bad fucking mix everyone starts getting their handbags out. I'm not saying he is super perfect every set... and i experience my own fair share of average sets during the year where i am not hit with amazing feelings like what normally would happen. But i dont start crying and bitching to the boards just cos he has done something or played something that isnt to my tastes. Thats the whole point. TIesto can do what he likes. He isnt gonna come on TA, read your fucking cry baby 'critique' and slap his thigh and get his old records out again... so get over it, and find something you like instead.

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Originally posted by escee Tiesto has been trying to change his sound too much.

I'm sure he doesn't think so though....he's growing, progressing - living his own personal music journey i suppose - and i don't think it's up to the likes of us to say he's trying to change his sound too much..........basically, if u don't like his sound now, don't listen to it - it's really THAT simple he's done it for me this year, but that's cos the style i like has kinda changed and fits the direction he's been goin in, which is why he's back up there for me.........but, like u, there are some who i used to love whose new directions have made me not wanna go along with them anymore....like pvd - imho, the way he is now is a total joke compared to the days of Twilo 98 etc etc, but i've just accepted that and have found other djs who suit my tastes more now - i think that's a lot more constructive than ranting and raving about how u feel personally betrayed by a dj who's had the nerve to try something new and different and be true to themselves, rather than true to YOU!!!

(don't get me wrong tho escee - i respect ur opinions and always enjoy readin what u have to say

MichaelBooger:
I said, its been a whole year of average sets. If i didnt want to see, hear, or listen to other peoples opinions i wouldnt have posted this thread. You need to get over the fact that other people who once liked tiesto dont anymore and they have valid reasons for that. You being a fanboy of tiesto does make your opinion less valid because you are obviously bias. I have tried to remain on the fence as much as possible and be objective through out the entire thread. I know tiesto isnt going to read this, and get his old records out, even if he did i wouldnt expect him to.

The point is i can complain about what he is doing, just like if i listened to pop music i could complain about britany and christina were doing to the genre.

Beemer:
I like plenty of other DJs and ever since tiesto has been moving away from that sound he is so well known for I have been listening to more and more. Ill listen to most things once, and if i like it ill seek out more of the same stuff. Not confined to any specific genre, just good music.

I dont like his sound now, and thats why I created the topic with title, "tiesto is one event away from being dead to me", since if he sucks on new years day, i wont be downloading another tiesto set until people start raving about how good he is again. imho, the way he is now is a total joke compared to the days of magik 6 etc etc.

I dont think tiesto has personally betrayed me. Its only music and there are plenty of other quality people out there who i can spend my time listening too. However i think im qualified to say when any dj i listen to has taken a turn for the worse in my opinion, which is all this was originally about, my opinion.

(ps im still waiting for my pm )

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Originally posted by escee (ps im still waiting for my pm )

i dunno....u don't like tiesto..i do......it might be wrong of us to pm it's all very Montague/Capulet-ish

haha

but we both like other djs! conflict is good! and even romeo and juliet had a good time, at least for a while.

Innercity sets usually tend to be a bit harder, if you have a look at Tiestos Adelaide tracklist its mostly trance. The type of music is definetely influenced by the crowd, and as for the tiesto innercity set track #2 is an awesome production by him and I can't wait for the release.

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Originally posted by escee haha but we both like other djs! conflict is good! and even romeo and juliet had a good time, at least for a while.

okay, but first u have to prove ur worthiness to me by promising that if we end up drinking poison together, the last set we listen to at the time will be.....

tiesto@innercity 2003

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