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I think what America really needs to grab the attention span of such networks as MTV and whatnot is an artist that is both 1) [good looking] and 2) [able to bridge the gap between electronica and mainstream music].

I mean, let's face it. Most of the really really good sh*t has little to no resemblance whatsoever to America's mainstream music. I remember before I was introduced to trance I was a heavy rock and alternative listener, and I can clearly remember a few tracks that brought me into trance (and other electronica genres).

The Prodigy - Voodoo People was definitely one of the "bridge" songs for me, it combined guitar riffs with the dance vibe and maintained the feel of a rock singer screaming the lyrics, although it was definitely done in a more melodic sense. And I was also interested in their experiments with trip-hop, which led me to The Crystal Method. 2 years later my friend introduced me into Oakenfold's "Tranceport," and later on I found DJ Tiesto's "Summerbreeze," and from then on I was hooked, mainly because I found the mix cd's to be extremely euphoric.

So to summarize, America needs an artist who will be attractive enough to be liked by the camera, and talented enough to bridge the gap between electronica and mainstream music. I think the lack of a drug habit would also be a large boost, as the typical stereotype here in the States is that all electronica music listeners are drug-addicts.

Strangely enough, Tobacco and Alcohol aren't typically seen as drugs. But that's another topic...

Umm..I'm glad that electronica is underground. I mean stores will sell what is going to profit them, but eventually they would start to make some profit from it in the lonG LONG-run. lol...I'm glad it's kept hush in the states. That's what makes a track sound better when you have to go thru trouble to get it. It sounds hell of a lot better. So i don't think anything should be done. And plus, if you know the rite people, you can get it. Don't go to places like mediaplay and BS places like that. Go to like sat records, or deejay shops. They'll have what dj's spin...If trance was mainstream, it wouldn't sound good. Do you think it would? I def. don't. The electronica scene is not bad in the states, but a lot of people that show up don't know what they're doing there. I mean i've seen some crazy stuff. but anyways...BTW, if you ever need great music, the internet is like the supreme source.!

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 Borders is definitely the place to go here in america for trance...more of a high end barnes and noble...the one in my town where i go for college had all the Magiks, all of ferry's albums, PVD, you name it

You damn right. I was just about to mention it. Borders has the biggest selection of Trance I have ever seen around here, whenever I go I feel like a kid looking at toys

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Originally posted by Streakfury I went over to America (New York) a few of years ago (before I was as heavily into the scene as I am now) and I went looking for trance CD's and there was none. Absolutely nothing. My mate was in his element with all the rock and stuff, but I was just standing around doing nowt. Quite disappointing really, but at least I live in the UK where everythings cool.

well good for you

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Originally posted by Tranc3 I think what America really needs to grab the attention span of such networks as MTV and whatnot is an artist that is both 1) [good looking]

ya, i'd really rather that MTV keep their grubby paws off Trance. I would rather the masses go out and discover it for themselves.

It's like what's happening to emo music. Kids don't like it because they enjoy the music, they like it because that's the "cool thing to do".

I would rather be stereotyped as a drug addict candykid raver than a teeny bopper.

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Originally posted by Al Cordero You damn right. I was just about to mention it. Borders has the biggest selection of Trance I have ever seen around here, whenever I go I feel like a kid looking at toys

I've only been to one and picked up BT - Emotional Technology since it was on sale. But that was at camp hehe. I never got a full glimpse of the electronica section, and I'd be very interested in finding one near me. I don't see why if B&N and Borders are competitors they don't try to carry the same stuff.

I so agree with you PONCHO!

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Originally posted by Poncho ya, i'd really rather that MTV keep their grubby paws off Trance. I would rather the masses go out and discover it for themselves. It's like what's happening to emo music. Kids don't like it because they enjoy the music, they like it because that's the "cool thing to do". I would rather be stereotyped as a drug addict candykid raver than a teeny bopper.

too true. if MTV/radio appropriates it, then suddenly everybody will be going out and buying trance and it'll become a fad, and like all fads, it'll die. better to keep trance and EDM in general as an underground thing, at least for now.

that's what i'm sayin

Most americans hate it, and will call everything techno.

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I hate hearing songs like Motorcycle-ATRC on American Radio. Its just not right.

Lets keep the music to ourselfs.

wow i feel so alienated all the virgin megastores ive ever been too have all had an entire section of the store that sells dance music ie vinyl, cd's, and a dj who comes in for a lil bit. in fact, every time someone comes to play at the avalon like PvD, Carl cox, Danny howells etc they end up playing for a little bit inside the store. dont know about outside the cities though, i figure it would be hard to get alot of electronic music out there without using the internet

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Originally posted by SebG Lets keep the music to ourselfs.

lol -- i see your point. They'll only end up ripping and abusing the music anyway, so in the end, the whole genre is going to be dead until they move on to the other consumer image. But I figure by that time, we'd all be machines anyway

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Originally posted by Poncho Everytime i walk into a cd shop they have these huge sections for like rap, rock, oldies, r&b, and the rest of the crap that's out there. Always though, they have like one or two shelves that are for "Dance/Techno". Ticks me off. I can't even get UNKLEs new cd because no where here sells it. Maybe it's just the places that I shop in. My usual place to go buy music at is Bestbuy, or Mediaplay. But even in other stores it just seems that us tranceaddicts get the shaft.

if u r in pittsburgh go to milk records in the strip, its on 31st street next to the bridge, big pink bilding, 3rd floor.

its just electronica.

uhm

I'm glad it's kept hush in the states. That's what makes a track sound better when you have to go thru trouble to get it. It sounds hell of a lot better. So i don't think anything should be done. And plus, if you know the rite people, you can get it. Don't go to places like mediaplay and BS places like that. Go to like sat records, or deejay shops. They'll have what dj's spin...If trance was mainstream, it wouldn't sound good"

So you telling me if you would live in Europe , then you wouldnt like trance as much as you do now?

You listening to the state of trance and stuff like that whats on the regular fm radio stations in Europe.

When i grew up , we had a bounch of techno and trance radio shows on the fm station, if i went to the mall i allways heard trance and techno playing at the Gap, Adidas, Nike and other retailer store.
But i loved techno in Europe becouse i liked the music and not becouse it was popular. I hate this when people in America saying ," Oh if trance would be mainstream and not undergound it would die"

That is not true , in Europe , trance and techno been mainstream for over a decade , and is not bad at all

You hear Chris Liebing and Dj Rush mixes on a german radios every saturday, you see live broadcast from Mayday,Loveparade,Sensation and Dance Valley on mtv or TMF. The reason why people knows techno and trance music in Europe , becouse the radio plays all kinds of sub gendres and people see with they own eye , raves is not about drugs.
If America would broadcast raves from Europe, people wouldnt be so against raves and techno clubs, then we wouldnt have this stupid rave act, becouse the goverment would see raves is not about drugs at all. No wonder why cities and law enforcments has no problem with raves in Europe

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Originally posted by hardstyle That is not true , in Europe , trance and techno been mainstream for over a decade , and is not bad at all

Yes, but you have to keep in mind that the scene originated from there, so just like mastering a skill, Europe is very well educated when it comes to electronica.

BUT when you're talking about a foriegn country adapting the trend -- IN ORDER -- to achieve a certain economical prosper... Now, you begin to understand the concept behind that.

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Originally posted by Provitex Yes, but you have to keep in mind that the scene originated from there, so just like mastering a skill, Europe is very well educated when it comes to electronica. BUT when you're talking about a foriegn country adapting the trend -- IN ORDER -- to achieve a certain economical prosper... Now, you begin to understand the concept behind that.

Yeah talk about dance music makes money, in 2002 , Holland made 500 million Euro out of dance music. Let me post the dutch version of that article

Dance goed vor 500 miljonen en 11.000 banen

In de Nederlandse dancescene gaat een bedrag van tenminste 500 miljonen euro per jaar om.Daarbij is de sector goed voor zo'n 11.000
arbeidsplaatsen.Dat blijkt uit een rapport van KPMG.

In het repport staat verder dat dance alsculturele stroming een belangrijke plaats in Nederland innemt.KPMG deed het onderzoek in opdracht van media- en entertainmentbedrijft ID&T.Het is voor het eerst dat het fenomeen dance in kaart is gebracht

To hardstyle: first off, comparing the US to Europe is not resonable. How can you compare the land where it originated to the land where it is style growing? And second off, I am European. And another point is what music are you talking about growing listening to in a place such as ohio? Ohio is the least of places in america where growing up can lead you to a hard style trance life. and how are you able to put words in my mouth by saying that if i did live in europe i wouldn't like it bc the trance is mainstream. eh, what you think is a music scene in europa is not a music scene, it a culture. In america it is a scene and i'd rather it stay that wway. provitex read my mind. I personally do not want my next door neighbor coming to me asking me for the latest pvd cd i got or whatever. duude...it's simply dum to even argue this point because life in europe is different and the culture and way of life is not that of america's. the people are different, and it's not a teenie bopper thing over there. it would be over here if it were mainstream. That's completely ridiculous. if you love it enough to tell the whole world about it, i rather not listen to american dj's. y0u're giving them a bad name. no wonder european dj's are the top. they are who made it, it came from europe, it is not the american way of life, period. and it will not grow HOPEFULLY. THE END.

ok

Here the translation

Dance well vor 500 miljonen and 11,000 job

In the Dutch dancescene an amount of at least 500 miljonen euro per
year goes for.Thereby the sector is well for about 11,000 jobs.That becomes clear from a report of KPMG.

In the repport stands further that dance alsculturele stroming an
important place in the Netherlands innemt.KPMG did the research for media - and entertainmentbedrijft ID&T.It is for the first time that the phenomenon dance has been mapped

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Originally posted by TranceXposure To hardstyle: first off, comparing the US to Europe is not resonable. How can you compare the land where it originated to the land where it is style growing? And second off, I am European. And another point is what music are you talking about growing listening to in a place such as ohio? Ohio is the least of places in america where growing up can lead you to a hard style trance life. and how are you able to put words in my mouth by saying that if i did live in europe i wouldn't like it bc the trance is mainstream. eh, what you think is a music scene in europa is not a music scene, it a culture. In america it is a scene and i'd rather it stay that wway. provitex read my mind. I personally do not want my next door neighbor coming to me asking me for the latest pvd cd i got or whatever. duude...it's simply dum to even argue this point because life in europe is different and the culture and way of life is not that of america's. the people are different, and it's not a teenie bopper thing over there. it would be over here if it were mainstream. That's completely ridiculous. if you love it enough to tell the whole world about it, i rather not listen to american dj's. y0u're giving them a bad name. no wonder european dj's are the top. they are who made it, it came from europe, it is not the american way of life, period. and it will not grow HOPEFULLY. THE END.

Thank you!

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Originally posted by Poncho hot topic sells techno? I thought they were a punk/emo kinda store. I'll have to stop in and see what's up. I'm from the Northside Pittsburgh

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Most americans hate it, and will call everything techno.

i think ive said this before but my teacher was talking about the 1920's and he compared speakeasys to raves, saying that people go to raves to use drugs

btw "rave"? haha, rave is so 1992

ugh

and how are you able to put words in my mouth by saying that if i did live in europe i wouldn't like it bc the trance is mainstream. eh, "

I never said if you would liuve in Europe then you wouldnt like trance. I just saying that is so stupid to say that if it would be Mainstream in America it wouldnt be as good as when its underground,

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Originally posted by Provitex Yes, but you have to keep in mind that the scene originated from there, so just like mastering a skill, Europe is very well educated when it comes to electronica.

thats where ur wrong Dance music is a totally american import. we invented disco, techno, and garage music. from there, everything that we know today was either perfected by europe or sprung up from european listeners ie .acid house and the rave scene. since disco lost its allure here in the states, people adopted the same scene from europe but took it to the underground, fearing its demise would be the same like disco music. so basically, its not that this music can't be popular, its just we went with two different directions with it. the only thing stopping electronic music from being super mainstream here in the states is that nobody really wants to be innovative. what sells is pop and hiphop and some alternative. anything else is really unprofitable, and america is all about the money. sad but true

lala

Techno was born in Detroit

oh, btw, i'm happy with the current size of the american electronica scene. ahah...just the rite size, and room for any committed listeners. If it were to be mainstream the thing is, i'm not afraid of growth of the listeners, i'm afraid that the number of listeners that are not committed to what they're listening to. it's not a connection of emotional growth, or happiness from that one song you hear off the paulvD album. it would be more of an "i'm listening to this becasue it's cool in the states. everyone's doing it". There's mroe to the music. The state's think of it as a drug related scene. Honestly, they can't blame me, because i'm not on anything, nore alcohol, even though it is hard for people to realize that it is a drug. I would think that all the TA's are committed listeners. you don't have to listen 24/7 to be committted but i mean, comon' now, doing it because it's a fad is what america is about. that's not natural. This music is more than what words can explain. And it's more than having numbers prove it to be good.

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