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ya that 21+ thing is garbage

well

my opinion on some clubs not lasting....

If you're going to do the same thing as another club, have the same dj's as another, and open up at the same time as another club...you might have problems. The club scene is ruthless, and if you're openning up a new venue, you need hype and a lot of it. Hype does not mean putting up flyers everywhere, that's a given..but more about getting people to talk about a certain venue within a community, and that's where promoters come in. Not everyone can be a promoter, some clubs take that for granted.
Most clubbers will attend an openning to see if it lives up to it's expectation, but you need to intice them to come back. Booking international guest isn't always going to bring people out, majority of attendee's don't care who's playing as long as the music is good, but more importantly the ambiance (everything from the friendly staff to drink prices) the club should have.

I am not referencing any clubs with my opinion

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Originally posted by TECHno addict You just want to fight dont you!!!!! I DONT expect women to be sweet to me when i hit on you, if youre into me....great, if not......NEXT. No biggie really. I have been hit on by guys, and i just find it to be a really wierd situation. You dont want to be mean, you dont want to look like a homophob. Back to the original topic......you can check out the Boa website. It is 21 + with the official grand opening happening this Saturday. www.boa-redux.com

I was just kidding about the whole hit on thing. And I still think that you sound like a promoter. Why are you so in love with this club, Boa?

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Originally posted by charmscars IMO the most forward clubs are not gay or straight but a place where everyone can convene and feel comfortable. Lotus was/is not a good club. It was very poorly run (nick warren for example where they had no AC, not having the 3rd floor open in time for digweed) not to mention the clienetele had much to be desired (in my opion anyway). the sound system wasn't much to write home about either. if someone put a club together w/ great guest DJ's, great residents, and an amazing sound system like stereo's *swoon* ppl would come. You only get back what you put in. It also has to do w/ what ppl want- musically.

I think Lotus was a great club at the beginning till the crowd started slowly thinning out. If you want to hear a crappy sound system, check out the front of the guv. Talk about crappy sound systems

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Originally posted by Mrs.Spice I think Lotus was a great club at the beginning till the crowd started slowly thinning out. If you want to hear a crappy sound system, check out the front of the guv. Talk about crappy sound systems

wha? the phazon system is not crappy at all. almost any sound system if you stand near the tower will hurt your ears. the only sound system that has not done that is stereo's. the sound system at Lotus was definately not better than at the Guv's. The guv has a phazon sound system. here is more info on phazon: http://www.phazonsound.com/sys-tmpl/faqaboutus/

this is a quality sound system. you can say what you want about the clientele and vibe of guv, but their sound system is excellant. i constantly hear ppl saying, I have the guv, but i love to hear *fill name of dj here* on the phazon.

I love this thread... Reading what people have to say about the current club seen makes me feel so much better... The truth is that it has been in a very bad way since 1999... Club/Music seen has been going downhill in Toronto in my opinion due to what I would call American media influence... The Record labels push music in Canada that is a direct reflection of what�s happening in the states. Radio/TV seems to pick up on anything that is Urban (Hip Hop, Reggae & RB)... They are pounding this into the new club culture... It shows in what the Radio is playing and in turn what people want to hear in Clubs. Example flow and Z103... Its all euro from 1994 or Sean Paul.. IM SOOOOO TIRED OF Sean Paul!!! The truth is that clubs to stay busy are trying to play to the masses since the Underground seen cant seem to support them. This is why it�s so important to support venues like Guv, BOA, Pulse, Viva, System and any promoter/DJ who plays this style... Venues are expensive as are music production costs... If you don�t go to a club or periodically buy some music... why should anybody build a venue or make a record. Bottom-line somebody has to make some money to pay the bills. Lotus is a good example... My self and Mike Sharp opened the Club on Saturdays with Mark and Peter Ivals on Friday. Initially the Saturdays where very busy with a primarily house / Proggy mix... Nothing to heavy but still no Urban on the main floor... Fridays were also very busy but without consistent styles of international DJ's coming in Mark never really had a chance to establish a crowd... One week it was James Lavelle and the next it was Digweed. The main room was not really proper for Big Room Sound but worked really well with a house / tribal style and buy the way the sound was solid (EAW Sound)... unfortunately the AC problem was deadly and an immediate. Currently Lotus is open doing Urban and have fixed there problems and changed the Top floor to suite a Big Room sound. I�m hoping to see them start something a little different... well see... We need to get people to open up there minds to other styles of music and bring it to a larger audience... In essence lets not keep it a secret or there will be only a few left listening to very little music in really small and few clubs... This is not Europe... In the meantime support what we have and who we have or it will easily go away.

Sorry for being so long winded but it hits home

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Originally posted by Waltr I love this thread... Reading what people have to say about the current club seen makes me feel so much better... The truth is that it has been in a very bad way since 1999... Club/Music seen has been going downhill in Toronto in my opinion due to what I would call American media influence... The Record labels push music in Canada that is a direct reflection of what�s happening in the states. Radio/TV seems to pick up on anything that is Urban (Hip Hop, Reggae & RB)... They are pounding this into the new club culture... It shows in what the Radio is playing and in turn what people want to hear in Clubs. Example flow and Z103... Its all euro from 1994 or Sean Paul.. IM SOOOOO TIRED OF Sean Paul!!! The truth is that clubs to stay busy are trying to play to the masses since the Underground seen cant seem to support them. This is why it�s so important to support venues like Guv, BOA, Pulse, Viva, System and any promoter/DJ who plays this style... Venues are expensive as are music production costs... If you don�t go to a club or periodically buy some music... why should anybody build a venue or make a record. Bottom-line somebody has to make some money to pay the bills. Lotus is a good example... My self and Mike Sharp opened the Club on Saturdays with Mark and Peter Ivals on Friday. Initially the Saturdays where very busy with a primarily house / Proggy mix... Nothing to heavy but still no Urban on the main floor... Fridays were also very busy but without consistent styles of international DJ's coming in Mark never really had a chance to establish a crowd... One week it was James Lavelle and the next it was Digweed. The main room was not really proper for Big Room Sound but worked really well with a house / tribal style and buy the way the sound was solid (EAW Sound)... unfortunately the AC problem was deadly and an immediate. Currently Lotus is open doing Urban and have fixed there problems and changed the Top floor to suite a Big Room sound. I�m hoping to see them start something a little different... well see... We need to get people to open up there minds to other styles of music and bring it to a larger audience... In essence lets not keep it a secret or there will be only a few left listening to very little music in really small and few clubs... This is not Europe... In the meantime support what we have and who we have or it will easily go away. Sorry for being so long winded but it hits home

good point but it's hard to support them all. Clubs are offering you a product (entertaintainment) so you have to go to the place where you get the best product. i don't have unlimited resources and I also only go out a few nights a month, so I don't necessarily want to spend a night at a club where I find the music/vibe/sound sub-par.

So true...

We need more people on board... Look at the urban clubs... People are being led by the nose and for what, the music... They all play exactly the same stuff in every club...

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Originally posted by charmscars agreed. it appears that it is filling a void that has existed since industry closed.

If that happens, it's going to have to be really successful and really diverse (in crowd and guest DJs) for quite some time.

Boa won't get my business until it brings in a techno DJ. I debated going for Hex Hector, which WILL be a "gay" party, but I've decided to get my hot gay man fix at Guv on the 30th.

Did you know that Toronto has the highest number of clubs per capita in the world.

Its not just new nightclubs that can't survive, its new businesses. According to the latest statistics, 80% close their doors within 1 year. And from the remaining 20%, 80% go bust in the next 4 years. So that means less than 1 in 20 make it through the first 5 years. Why? Because of the infamous Entrepreneurial Myth - the false idea that if you're good at making product or providing a service, you're automatically qualified to sell it. In order words, most new business owners simply have no idea what the hell they're doing.

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Originally posted by d!abolic Its not just new nightclubs that can't survive, its new businesses. According to the latest statistics, 80% close their doors within 1 year. And from the remaining 20%, 80% go bust in the next 4 years. So that means less than 1 in 20 make it through the first 5 years. Why? Because of the infamous Entrepreneurial Myth - the false idea that if you're good at making product or providing a service, you're automatically qualified to sell it. In order words, most new business owners simply have no idea what the hell they're doing.

That's not unique to Toronto, though.

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Originally posted by Waltr People are being led by the nose

*cough* *cough* That statement for me pretty much sums up 2003. More of that than I've ever seen (since I started boogie'ing in 1998).

One of the major issues with Canada is the emphasis on the party/style than the music/dj. In Europe people will go to a dungeon to see a DJ they love. Here - clubs don't promote the ACTS (the talent) - the promote the NIGHTS - so people become accustomed to "Friday night is good @ ***", "Saturday night is good at ***" rather than "DJ *** is friday, DJ *** is saturday".

Brilliant marketing when you think about it. They could bring in my grandma to play CDs and still ram the joint. My impression of Europe is that nights are more about lineup than venue/scene.

Just my $0.02.

I think that I want to check out this Boa 'constrictor'. Don't ask. So, is it on Spadina? What is the cover?

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Originally posted by ))the source(( I think that I want to check out this Boa 'constrictor'. Don't ask. So, is it on Spadina? What is the cover?

Cover: $25
Hours: 12pm - 12am
You must be 21+ to attend.
Dress code in effect.

www.boa-redux.com

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Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew Did you know that Toronto has the highest number of clubs per capita in the world.

TO does have a shitload of nightclubs, but are you sure about that statistic?

I thought London had the highest number of clubs per capita...or is it just the highest number of clubs ?

*not too sure about that stat regarding Toronto, either*

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Originally posted by TranceGeek TO does have a shitload of nightclubs, but are you sure about that statistic?

Dan I've heard this before as well but a bit differently.

I heard that Toronto has the most square footage of nightclub space than anywhere in the world. --- This might reflect the problems of being able to maintain a new nightclub in Toronto.

Another reason I think is that the club scene is run by a few and powerful people and if you're not friends with these people, then good luck getting off the ground. These people have so much power in the scene that they can influence how sucessful a new club is. But I really am not to sure. Its just an idea

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Originally posted by charmscars wha? the phazon system is not crappy at all. almost any sound system if you stand near the tower will hurt your ears. the only sound system that has not done that is stereo's. the sound system at Lotus was definately not better than at the Guv's. The guv has a phazon sound system. here is more info on phazon: http://www.phazonsound.com/sys-tmpl/faqaboutus/ this is a quality sound system. you can say what you want about the clientele and vibe of guv, but their sound system is excellant. i constantly hear ppl saying, I have the guv, but i love to hear *fill name of dj here* on the phazon.

Actually I was talking about the opposite. If you stand at the front of the guv it's as if you're listening to the music from the next room over. You can hardly hear any bass and the general volume is WAY TOO LOW. Just because it's a PHAZON system doesn't mean that Guv's design was created for it. Honestly because the Guv was designed so horribly, you can't even tell that its an infamous phazon. Do you think a fazon system would be so amazing if it was used in an airplane hanger? Or in the middle of the desert?
The thing with phazons is that you have to be at the right place to hear it properly. At the guv, where it's so packed, it's not possible to choose most often, where you are going to be dancing.

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Originally posted by TECHno addict Cover: $25 Hours: 12pm - 12am You must be 21+ to attend. Dress code in effect. www.boa-redux.com

Great. Thanx.

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Originally posted by Mrs.Spice Actually I was talking about the opposite. If you stand at the front of the guv it's as if you're listening to the music from the next room over. You can hardly hear any bass and the general volume is WAY TOO LOW. Just because it's a PHAZON system doesn't mean that Guv's design was created for it. Honestly because the Guv was designed so horribly, you can't even tell that its an infamous phazon. Do you think a fazon system would be so amazing if it was used in an airplane hanger? Or in the middle of the desert? The thing with phazons is that you have to be at the right place to hear it properly. At the guv, where it's so packed, it's not possible to choose most often, where you are going to be dancing.

I have not been to Guv in a long time due primarily because i play most Saturdays... The Phazon system they have is more than capable of smashing that space and most... The system is installed and tuned for the venue... Strange that you get this complaint... Probably due to maintenance problems... If properly maintained that system is designed to fill the room properly. As for the base, you generally wont feel a punch directly in front of the stack, walk about 5 to 10 feet in front of the stack and it should hit hard, thats the way base works... I still think that Viva has the best sound hands down in the city and not just because i play the club... Clean EAW sound.

Boa kicks Viva's ass for sound....as well as everywhere else. And when i was at Boa, the system was only like 80% complete.

I dont think it can kick its ass but it does sound impressive from what you say... When you get to that level of sound its all top quality... Its smart of Boa to put money into sound since to many clubs spend money on drywall and ignore the sound & lighting... I hope to hear it soon...

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Originally posted by Waltr I dont think it can kick its ass but it does sound impressive from what you say... When you get to that level of sound its all top quality... Its smart of Boa to put money into sound since to many clubs spend money on drywall and ignore the sound & lighting... I hope to hear it soon...

I had heard that the club boa was designed w/ stereo (in mtl) as it's inspiration. if that is the case, if the soiund is anything like stereo's it will be incredible. stereo has by far the best sound I have ever heard. I much prefer it to Guv's phazon. I don't know why it's better- matt was saying something about it being analog and phazon being digital.

One of these days I should check out stereo...but we always end up at Aria, and after Aria, we don't have the stamina to go anywhere else that weekend.

Aria did some upgrades as well, and I was absolutely in AWE of the quality. I've never heard anything sound so good. It was orgasmic. Records that I'd play at home sounded like ones I'd never heard before - every little aural intricacy was audible.

I haven't heard Boa, but nothing in Toronto compared to what I heard at Aria. The only thing that I thought came close to the crispness of the sound was the basement of Element.

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