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Posted by drgoodvibe on Jan-08-2004 00:25:

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Originally posted by DigiNut
That's what the radicals would have us believe, but it's pretty much B.S. I mean, it's not totally false, but it's also not any different from what was in place 50 years ago.

It's that kind of fearmongering that bothers me. Bush's government is the "invisible enemy." There are people out there who believe that the entire September 11 event was orchestrated by the U.S. government - now you have to ask yourself, who would want us to believe that? That's right, the radicals and the terrorists! And what better way for them to spread their messages than to do it through innocuous-looking commercials and through pawn political figures like Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky.

Okay, maybe the commercials weren't made by terrorist groups - but again, playing devil's advocate ( thanks Emery ), the possibility of that being the case is no less valid than the possibility of the content of those commercials being objectively true.

I don't think at any moment Michael Moore or Noam Chomsky said that the entire 9-11 tragedy was ochestrated by the U.S government. Their dissaproval of U.S Foreign policy and fiscal social policy is visible sure.

The radicals, meaning the far left? We're talking people like ELF who blow up car lots full of range rovers in El Paso? It is my believe that Muslim extremists are far right as well in their ultra conservative beliefs. Do you really believe that the peopel who made those movies are extremist sympathizers or just being critical of the Bush government? There is a difference.

Ahh but I specifically said that they're probably not objectively true! I mentioned that if they make a person think a little bit, then they have served there purpose.

Posted by dEsidEL on Jan-08-2004 00:30:

alrite .. this cliche political thread has gotten too long to read .. and i'm hungry .. i'll get back after i've had something to eat..

Posted by failsafe on Jan-08-2004 00:51:

Diginut, the americans are trying to educate themselves. "dude where's my country" has been at the top of the best sellers list. That's because lots of people are awakening to the idoit that stole the whitehouse. If these commercials get even 1% of americans to think for 30sec about the situation then their job is done.

Rabbitjoker: Congrats brain surgeon, you figured it all out! Of coruse it's biased. They picked mike moore because he shares similar views and thus would make a good judge. That site is run by people who do not want to see bush reelected, so why not have a pannel consisting of like minded people?

My fav was the presidential desktop. That was classic.

Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-08-2004 01:46:

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Originally posted by DigiNut
What a lovely set of inflammatory, emotionally-charged political whinings without any factual evidence or viable alternative suggestions.

The "polygraph" one was my favourite - are we supposed to imagine that that's what would have happened if he'd been hooked up to a real polygraph? Ha. Even if he was outright lying (as opposed to just being mistaken), polygraph tests are very subtle and show variations while the person is talking, they don't suddenly go wild right after they finish their sentence.

This is the kind of politics I hate - ranting, raving, conspiracy-theorizing "Bush-bashing". How about some suggestions, instead of constant complaining?

Edit: to be perfectly clear, I'm not any huge fan of Bush, but it's too easy to complain - much harder to get up and take action.

You are doing exactly wat they are doing, whining about their whining.

you proclaim these clips as unfactual, but you still havent proven that they are not factual.

The suggestion that these clips are trying to enforce is that people should open their eyes to whats being done by the people in power through a quick message.

Posted by failsafe on Jan-08-2004 02:11:

well put cyrus

btw: children of ibiza owned my soul.

Posted by The Highroller on Jan-08-2004 03:18:

Oh shit, here comes Kaveh into the political argument!

*puts tail between legs and runs*

Posted by rabbitjoker on Jan-08-2004 03:18:

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Originally posted by failsafe
btw: children of ibiza owned my soul.

What about the (robert miles) children???????????????

Posted by DigiNut on Jan-08-2004 03:27:

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
you proclaim these clips as unfactual, but you still havent proven that they are not factual.

Oh, that's rich. Now people can make any unsubstantiated claims they want, and the burden of proof is on us to prove them wrong?

quote:
The suggestion that these clips are trying to enforce is that people should open their eyes to whats being done by the people in power through a quick message.

That may be so, but it still bothers me that so many Canadians are so bloody interested in conspiracy-theory U.S. politics when they can't even follow their own.

Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-08-2004 05:24:

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Originally posted by DigiNut
...Now people can make any unsubstantiated claims they want...

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...it still bothers me that so many Canadians are so bloody interested in conspiracy-theory U.S...

How rich

Posted by failsafe on Jan-08-2004 05:28:

digi: what conspirasy theory? I hate bush because he basically told the civil world to F-off with the kyoto protocall. Then as that wasn't enough to make him feel powerful enough he declared an unjust war agasint a soverign nation. No theroy there at all as far as I can see? Hope this wasn't too rich for you? (=

Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-13-2004 17:50:

Well, here are the results of the competition.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...on_winning_ad_1

Posted by failsafe on Jan-13-2004 17:53:

I think they picked the right one.

Posted by failsafe on Jan-13-2004 17:57:

haha that animated one is f-in hillarious. I love the summary.

Posted by Hami on Jan-13-2004 18:18:

good website....

I agree that animated one was funny.....
I looked at all of them though, some had chillin' messages...

Posted by failsafe on Jan-13-2004 18:45:

I can't believe they got over 1500 applicants. That's a pretty amazing turn out.

Posted by Fir3start3r on Jan-13-2004 20:18:

hmp.

Little too left of center for me. But amuzing...

Posted by failsafe on Jan-13-2004 21:20:

some of the adds perhaps are a bit "left" but the winning one was pretty straight forward. It clearly makes its point without being too in your face.

Posted by d!abolic on Jan-13-2004 21:37:

I'm with diginut on this one. Those ads are just propaganda, and not even high-quality propaganda at that. I don't agree with everything Bush has done, and i do think he went to war for 'morally wrong' reasons, but if you look at this from the perspective of the average Afghani or Iraqi, Bush has done more good for them than any other person alive.

What i'm trying to say is that the reasoning behind his actions doesn't change the overwhelmingly positive outcome for those people. And if he's gonna get rich off it, the better for him! Can any of you honestly say that if you could make millions of dollars and help millions of people at the same time, you wouldn't do it just because it was 'morally wrong?'

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