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Originally posted by vmc As far as I know artists get royalties for tunes that were played in clubs or radio

no, thats promotion. which can lead to royalties. a club has to pay a fee to play music, but that ends up anywhere but the artists pockets.

i like endre...hes cool

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Originally posted by icexclusive my million dolla dreams are fadinggg. please tell me that its at least 200k + - . at least 200k. i need at least 200k a year. i dont believe this, the only thing that i want to do period except blazin and kicking it, is to make trance beats. but i aint gonna make no money. damit im gonna be poor my whole life. no more platinum boots.

If you're in it for the money you might as well quit now.

What makes you so sure you'll get signed anyway?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery What makes you so sure you'll get signed anyway?

Everyone thinks positive in the beginning. Even I thought that people would like my Dance eJay tracks 3-4 years ago

unless your big, your viynl sales are probably only going to hit between 2 and 5 thousand.. 5 being on the larger side. your song starts getting hammered by the big names? ... then it starts to go up some, especially if you dj since people who hear the song will want you to show up and play at thier clubs.and why do probably about 95% of us go to see a dj most people have never herad of? cause we heard their song on the internet.most overseas djs who dj in america are here because of the net. so that can help your revenue as well, because now your playing gigs all over the world.then theres the next biggest thing that will bring in revenue besides playing out and thats the compilations. copilations can really help bring the money in.. theres a nice little chunk of change to make off this business its just not always in the music. ..... at least not at first..











GIVE TRANCE A CHANCE....

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Originally posted by icexclusive tell you the truth once i heard that he got signed to anjuna beats i thought that for sure he recieved a record advance of about 10k +

wow.. 10k+ !! i must be doing something wrong then

most money comes from compilation cds, get on as many of those and you might make some money. cheezy compilation probably sell more so they're not always bad

and you should get money for radio plays, etc.

and for the record, the 10% royalty example given here is not correct. you get 10% of the sale price of the distributor which is offcourse far less than $10.


and btw- anjuna asked me to do the remix. it was funny when they told me what track it was

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Originally posted by Robert and btw- anjuna asked me to do the remix. it was funny when they told me what track it was

what remix did they ask you to do? envio?

i wish anjuna asked me for something.

also i have some more questions. for example does endre have a pro studio. and does he use cubase sx 2.0?

you don't need a studio these days

and robert remixed endre

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Originally posted by Haak you don't need a studio these days and robert remixed endre

what exact song is it cause i wanna listen to it. did you get payed?

if so was it at least over 1k

or was it just for pride?

while we are on the subject of getting signed and producers income:

is the likelihood of getting signed to a psy label less or more than getting signed to a trance label? on the average, do psy artists make less or more than trance artists?

or is this all impossible to know?

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Originally posted by icexclusive what exact song is it cause i wanna listen to it. did you get payed? if so was it at least over 1k or was it just for pride?

kallocain

and did i get payed for what?

i just thought u mad an offical remix and got payed for it.

ehm robert nickson remixed endre, like i said 2 posts ago, and like he said himself.

Endre uses reason .. i'll say to him about this thread

so kallocain was all made in reason.

if so thats tight but i think cubase was involved.

do you know for sure.

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Originally posted by icexclusive i think cubase was involved. do you know for sure.

YES.

so cubase was involved??

The whole song was made in Reason to my knowledge.

Software is more powerful than you think. Re:Locate - Waterfall = ENTIRELY made in FL Studio. It was #1 for a week almost on Only-DJ's.com

And no, producers don't make shit. Im hoping to make enough with a release to pay for a vacation to Ibiza, that's about it. That's the best thing about trance producers is they do it for the love of the music and the love of seeing people dance to their music. If they wanted money they'd produce commercial dance.

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Originally posted by State of Matter The whole song was made in Reason to my knowledge. Software is more powerful than you think. Re:Locate - Waterfall = ENTIRELY made in FL Studio. It was #1 for a week almost on Only-DJ's.com And no, producers don't make shit. Im hoping to make enough with a release to pay for a vacation to Ibiza, that's about it. That's the best thing about trance producers is they do it for the love of the music and the love of seeing people dance to their music. If they wanted money they'd produce commercial dance.

err, its harder to qrite a commercial dance track (a popular one that is) than a regular tune. if you really thought you could be the next dj sammy (i.e. raking the cash in) you can't tell me you wouldnt do it?! i have a love for proper trance aswell, but id rather be a millionaire anyday, then id go make some decent music.

I would never bare the shame of creating "music" for the sake of material goods. Music is supposed to be a detachment from the superficiality of the world, its supposed to express real emotions. Unfortunately it isn't like this in a lot of genres any more.

Anybody could be the next DJ Sammy, the synths and melodies are all very easy to make.

ok take this example...

If you are like the average joe and work 9-5 every weekday, chance are you are in a job which is boring/repetitive, and you basically don't do it for hte love of it.

Well, what if that job was enough to make you extremely rich if you did it for 2-3 years of your 80yr (approx) life?!

Hopefully you'll see the perspective where im comming from. i think its worth it. you can then spend the rest of your life making the music you love and have passion for.

as for producing tunes liek dj sammy, well.. you're missing the point completely. indeed the sounds may be easy to pull off, but it's all about APPEAL. you could make a tune that has the hallmarks of any chart euro-trance-chart shite, but if it dosent have the appeal, it wont make it. why dont you do it for a laugh if its that easy. you'd be suprised who jon riva (as in stringer) produces under. Im not going to blow the secret of the century here, but he keeps it pretty quiet!

You're proving my point for me, which is that all forms of art have been ridiculously commercialized. It is true what you say about the average 9-5, but that's a desk job where you may be working with spreadsheets and databases. Music, on the other hand, is supposed to be expressive and personal. When you strip all that is genuine out of any form of art, it has lost all of its feeling. You can hear that in most pop-trance records, an absence of true emotion.

I would never desecrate music by manufacturing cheese tracks to get rich. If you would then that's your perogative.

i hear what your saying and do agree with your point, and as you also said it is my perogative and i undoubtedly would produce a cheeze track for money. however i dont quite have the talent like you have!

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Originally posted by icexclusive so cubase was involved??

er, i meant 'YES' to the question 'do you know for sure'. cubase was NOT involved.

hah, this is fun reading.


Im not rich, im very very poor i believe, and i did not get 10k, that is... what i got was 250� and that is not much.

And kallocain was made 100% in reason, that is correct.


And i dont think i will earn much on kallocain, but much more with the nickson remix than without it, cause the track is basicly shit, in other words i dont like it much, well, its ok, but i made it when i was drunk, does that count as an production mabe by me then? pretty funny...

anyway, glad you like it, i hope you buy it aswell

cheers

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