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TranceGeek, what the fuck... what's with all the rage?!? Do you care that much, honestly? What you wrote up there is just a much more lengthy elaboration on what I said.. but you should chiiiiiiiiiiiill

Sorry to disappoint you, but you're part of it too - the showbiz, I mean - because you obviously went out and paid money and spent time watching all these movies we're talking about!

And I agree with ahlamalek that Barbarian Invasions is a really great movie

I still don't get how come so many people find Lost in Traqnslation "awesome".. It's a movie that portrays the "spleen" of normality, the "ennui", and ends up being a total bore itself. Yes, the movie can be called artistic, since it shows to the average americanized viewer ("you," or, in fact, "us") the certain aspect of "beauty" of modern Japan, under a sort of "mystic" light. Yet, did it ever occur to any of you that this is not necesserly an accurate portrayal of Nippon society, but rather a caricature created by well-established stereotypes? Maybe not, but that's how it seamed to me, as I watched this "amazing film".

But anyway, back to the movie... Two "wooden" bored out of themselves characters that just float around for 2 hours and do nothing, except expressing their ennui in every possible way (especially Bill Murray) make a chef-d'oeuvre? Not to me.. This is not my idea of great movie, really, but then (as we say in pseudo-liberalism) to each their own... The redeemable features of the movie could have been that it is "smart", but alas, it is not the case, since it lacks anything that remotely ressembles a plot. When we break down the movie, at the end we see that besides the pseudo-ambience, we only see standard people doing standard (non-exciting)things, and we can't help but to draw parallels with the boring normality of everyday's life.

In my humble opinion, just as the similarly acclaimed American Splendor, this movie is overrated. Either that, or I am missing something everybody else sees.

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Originally posted by k.k.d. I still don't get how come so many people find Lost in Traqnslation "awesome".. It's a movie that portrays the "spleen" of normality, the "ennui", and ends up being a total bore itself. Yes, the movie can be called artistic, since it shows to the average americanized viewer ("you," or, in fact, "us") the certain aspect of "beauty" of modern Japan, under a sort of "mystic" light. Yet, did it ever occur to any of you that this is not necesserly an accurate portrayal of Nippon society, but rather a caricature created by well-established stereotypes? Maybe not, but that's how it seamed to me, as I watched this "amazing film". But anyway, back to the movie... Two "wooden" bored out of themselves characters that just float around for 2 hours and do nothing, except expressing their ennui in every possible way (especially Bill Murray) make a chef-d'oeuvre? Not to me.. This is not my idea of great movie, really, but then (as we say in pseudo-liberalism) to each their own... The redeemable features of the movie could have been that it is "smart", but alas, it is not the case, since it lacks anything that remotely ressembles a plot. When we break down the movie, at the end we see that besides the pseudo-ambience, we only see standard people doing standard (non-exciting)things, and we can't help but to draw parallels with the boring normality of everyday's life. In my humble opinion, just as the similarly acclaimed American Splendor, this movie is overrated. Either that, or I am missing something everybody else sees.

Why do you say that the movie is not smart because it lacks a plot? That doesn't make any sense. In the literary/drama world, plot-driven formulas were declared anachronistic in the early 20th century with the emergence of existensialism and Freudian techniques that took over the art world after World War I. Pretty much after James Joyce's Ulysses the artistic narrative has been character-driven, and that can be observed in some of the most important novels in the century like 100 Years of Solitude and so on. Plots are always there, but not structurally imposed as the principal narrative. Now films have not been as character-driven as their literary counterparts, because the short attention span of the viewers that has been inculcated by Hollywood over the years demands the same formula. And that's why I think that some people dismiss Lost in Translation, because there is no formula attached to the narrative.

Yes, there are no dramatic or grandiose plot twists that would make the average viewer go . But the characters are so real and so well elaborated, that you can't help but be fascinated by their blossoming relationship. If what they're doing is standard or not doesn't matter, that's not relevant for this kind of film. There is so much tension in their friendship throughout the film, tension that drives the whole movie in the dreamy ambiance portrayed by the director in Tokyo. I repeat that it is poetic and musical, because that was something about the film that struck me right away, its constant tone.

I don't know much about Japan, and frankly it's not that important to me. Whether there are many stereotypes or not, well, good riddance. What movie is not full of stereotypes to begin with? There's always some kind of bias present, no matter how you do it. Tokyo is simply a vehicle for the film, not its principal aspect.

Can you tell me what movie from 2003 is better than this?

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Originally posted by ahlamalek maybe some stuff was lost in the translation... or simply that you didn't get it, and you're not alone.

quite possible about the translation, as i didn't see what there was to get..

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polako bre! what rage are you talking about?! you obviously read that with an emotional tone that wasn't there, as i've no reason to get worked up over something as irrelevant as this.. besides, all i said was why i hated the oscar awards...

[rant] bah, that's exactly why i hate pretty much all forms digital communicatoin [/rant]

anyways, that part of showbiz i'm content with, as it gives credit where credit is due.. it's the actual awards i have a problem with..

I think Jean-Claude Van Damme will get four Oscars this year.

is big fish elegible for an oscar, cause that would be my pick for best movie! it was amazing

I really hope Kill Bill will get something this year. One of the best movies I watched this year...

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Originally posted by JayD I assume that Best Picture / Best Director will go to Lord Of The Rings & Peter Jackson. For Actress / Actor definitly Charlize Theron (Monster) in her big transformation in Monster. Close behind im sure will be Naomi Watts for 21 Grams and Uma Thurman for Kill Bill. Supporting actress would be hard because they all did amazing jobs but if it were me I would vote for Scarlet Johanson for her role in Lost in Translation. The same for best supporting actor, yet again I would vote for Tim Robbins (Mystic River). Foreign language film will go to either The Barbarian Invasions or City Of God. Animated feature definitly Finding Nemo. Adapted screenplay, definitly American Splendor. For Original screenplay definitly Lost in Translation. My assumptions. Dont take my word for it though. Wish them all luch because most of those movie's there are great. JaY

City of God came out two years ago.. that's when I saw it. I don't know if it would be mentioned this year.
Finding Nemo is a great cartoon, and it certainly received a lot of rave reviews, but Tripplets of Belleville

Can anyone tell me why the movies considered for Oscars are the ones that come out Nov-Dec of that year?? Very small exception is made, but I don't understand why everything that has been going on until then is left out?

As far as 'Kill Bill', I loved it.. and maybe Tarantino will get something for cinematography.. other than that, I don't think it will win anything else. Uma Thurman is pretty much overshadowed by Theron and Watts cause the Academy just loooooooooves those kind of demanding roles.

wow, I'm actually glad I was so off on the predictions.. although I hate most of this year's Oscar movies

The nominees were announced:

Best picture
- The Lord of the Rings
- Lost in Translation
- Master and Commander
- Mystic River
- Seabiscuit

Actor in a leading role
- Johnny Depp (Pirates of the Caribbean)
- Ben Kingsley (House of Sand and Fog)
- Jude Law (Cold Mountain)
- Bill Murray (Lost in Translation)
- Sean Penn (Mystic River)

Actor in a supporting role
- Alec Baldwin (The Cooler)
- Benicio Del Toro (21 Grams)
- Djimon Hounsou (In America)
- Tim Robbins (Mystic River)
- Ken Watanabe (The Last Samurai)

Actress in a leading role
- Keisha Castle-Hughes (Whale Rider)
- Diane Keaton (Something's Gotta Give)
- Samantha Morton (In America)
- Charlize Theron (Monster)
- Naomi Watts (21 Grams)

Actress in a supporting role
- Shohreh Aghdashloo (House of Sand and Fog)
- Patricia Clarkson (Pieces of April)
- Marcia Gay Harden (Mystic River)
- Holly Hunter (Thirteen)
- Ren�e Zellweger (Cold Mountain)

Animated feature film
- Brother Bear
- Finding Nemo
- The Triplets of Belleville

Cinematography
- City of God
- Cold Mountain
- Girl with a Pearl Earring
- Master and Commander
- Seabiscuit

Directing
- City of God
- The Lord of the Rings
- Lost in Translation
- Master and Commander
- Mystic River

Adapted Screenplay
- American Splendor
- City of God
- The Lord of the Rings
- Mystic River
- Seabiscuit

Original Screenplay
- The Barbarian Invasions
- Dirty Pretty Things
- Finding Nemo
- In America
- Lost in Translation

Foreign language film
- The Barbarian Invasions (Canada)
- Evil (Sweden)
- The Twilight Samurai (Japan)
- Twin Sisters (The Netherlands)
- Zelary (Czech Republic)

Where's "Bend it like Beckham"?

Other than that.. im satisfied with the nominees.

I will be on that list one day

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Foreign language film The Barbarian Invasions (in French, Canada) Goodbye, Lenin! (Germany) Osama (Afghanistan) The Return (Russia) Monseur Ibrahim (France)

this isn't right, there's also a Dutch movie nominated for this Oscar, it's called "De Tweeling" (The Twin). Why isn't that movie on the list?

edit: ah, I see the right list right above this post

My vote for best picture goes to Lost in Translation...and to all those haters out there maybe you should just stick to watching "2 fast 2 furious"

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Originally posted by brunette City of God came out two years ago.. that's when I saw it. I don't know if it would be mentioned this year.

See for yourself.

Nothing for international picture though.

JaY

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Originally posted by JayD See for yourself. Nothing for international picture though. JaY

That's fine! It was released mid-2002.. it's 2004, the only reason why I said that. I'm glad it is included, it's a great movie.

Lost in Translation was a beautiful movie.

YaleTrance pretty much outlined why... but why the hell should one have to explain why they love a movie?

Too bad Scarlet was not nominated for Best Actress, she was incredible. BTW, has Bill Murray even won/been nominated before?

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