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Originally posted by Muff2K i just dont see the point in bitching about things that will never happen. toronto will never be like amsterdam or london or montreal even get over it

no but one can improve things cant they. What is people in mexico said well we are never going to be as rich as germany so why bother with development? WHy why??? because you improve things. That is what life is about improvement of yourself and your surroundings

instead of trying to be like Europe all the time .. i hope our scene can evolve into something different but better at the same time ..

i think we need to find our own identity when it comes to EDM.. South America and Asia seem to hav theirs.. we need ours!

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Originally posted by nadezhda random thought: i could, in theory, go to a big uk festival this summer like gkgg, and i've done it several times before. BUT it doesn't interest me now at all. i'd rather hear a longer set from one or two djs that i really like, than a one to two hour set from 20 djs and run around from tent to tent. and i don't like hard dance i think that i am just getting old and boring. i'll go back to my rocking chair and knitting now. AND back to your discussion!

I totally agree. Even though alot of these parties have umpteen superstar djs, they only spin 1 or 2 hour sets. It's way better to 2 or 3 djs spin 3-5 hour sets as opposed to 10 djs spinning for an hour each. I went to Godskitchen and saw tons of djs, but at an hour and a half each, they weren't able to truly shine. THere was a definite lack of flow.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL instead of trying to be like Europe all the time .. i hope our scene can evolve into something different but better at the same time .. i think we need to find our own identity when it comes to EDM.. South America and Asia seem to hav theirs.. we need ours!

exactly. fuck trying to be like all the rest. be yourself.

i'm much more satisfied with the scene the way it is now, than say 4 years ago.

now i can count on guvernment, system & boa to give me at least 3 weekends to go out and hear EDM dj's.


before it was go to guv or system once every 2 months. and sit and wait what the next event would be.

as much as people would like to improve things... there's people above you that dont really give a shit so you could spend your life trying to bring in gatecrasher & cream to toronto and be unsuccessful...

so you might have better luck in mexico

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Originally posted by dEsidEL instead of trying to be like Europe all the time .. i hope our scene can evolve into something different but better at the same time .. i think we need to find our own identity when it comes to EDM.. South America and Asia seem to hav theirs.. we need ours!

TO's EDM ID = more proggy and house.

Aussie's and Brit's party much harder than we do over here, so they also like their music much harder...

It would be hard to introduce hard house into Toronto since most people haven't heard it before, and I can tell you based on experience that most people in TO won't like it.

DJ's spin longer sets over here than back in the UK and alot of people prefer that. I also think most of the TO clubs do their own promoting which is different than other cities (although this might have changed over the last few years). When a club promotes for itself, it doesn't want another promoter coming in to do the show.

Also, like someone mentoned, if the place is already getting filled week in and out (ie Guv), there is no point economically in bringing in alot of top international talent.

-Your Mother

Another big reason why you find crazy DJ line-ups in the UK for relatively small events: i.e. regular clubnight Crasher or Gods events has to do with the fees they actual pay DJs. It is a matter of fact that DJs get at least 70% less money in England than they do say in the US.

Why would a DJ play for so much less in the UK? Because if a DJ cracks the UK, the DJ makes it big time all over the world.

Another reason why the UK has crazy line-ups for their club nights is due to the fact that there is healthly competition between promoters, just like there is in Monreal. They book 3 djs in one night because if they don't club X down the road will. Toronto has one of the best clubs in the world, namely Guv. It's so good that there is no 'real' competition against it.

itikia

EDIT: Lets not forget that in the UK dance has crossed over into the mainstream. This means that there are tons of sponsorship dollars floating around that make many of the events financially feasable. Just about any large scale event such as the Molson Indy, sports events, etc. are only possible because of the sponsorship dollars.

^^^ what she said, it's all in the booking fee's and travel costs.

email the big name dj's you want to see and tell them to all play together for the same fee that one of them would charge and you'll see it happen.

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Originally posted by itikia Another big reason why you find crazy DJ line-ups in the UK for relatively small events: i.e. regular clubnight Crasher or Gods events has to do with the fees they actual pay DJs. It is a matter of fact that DJs get at least 70% less money in England than they do say in the US. Why would a DJ play for so much less in the UK? Because if a DJ cracks the UK, the DJ makes it big time all over the world.

This is only partially true. There are certain promoters in the US that can get top dj's for less than most other places.... Spundae for example.

still, you are talking flights for this big dj's, their demands as well, so it gets expensive very, very quickly. I've always viewed toronto as town where you bring in 1-2 big names not the huge choice and most deejays that are for these nights are uk residents and their travel is not expensive because they are held in the uk. I bet it will happen eventually even as ari said, the toronto scene is controlled by a few. I see a UK club doing something big as a one off event at some time. GC died, GK is busy expanding elsewhere, so who knows I've heard rumors of a breaks all start lineup but that's always rumored . I say if you like GK too much, move back to the UK, every scene is unique. I've always viewed Toronto as a bandwagon jumper city (I've lived here all of my almost 23 yrs), we like all forms of music. People go see Anne Savage and others if they come or they go see prog, trance or house deejays. I think all that Toronto cares about is big names.

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Originally posted by Your Mother This is only partially true. There are certain promoters in the US that can get top dj's for less than most other places.... Spundae for example.

Exactly, Spundae is big time.

itikia

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Originally posted by itikia EDIT: Lets not forget that in the UK dance has crossed over into the mainstream. This means that there are tons of sponsorship dollars floating around that make many of the events financially feasable. Just about any large scale event such as the Molson Indy, sports events, etc. are only possible because of the sponsorship dollars.

here's an example of that ..



HMV sponsoring an event in Hong Kong..

btw. Spundae ownz!! i wanna hitup one of their parties bad.. crazyness..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL btw. Spundae ownz!! i wanna hitup one of their parties bad.. crazyness..

Fly down to SF the next time the US has a holiday that falls on a Monday. Then go out to Spundae's Sunday night party for that weekend.... Best party you will ever go to in North America.

-Your Mother

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Originally posted by Your Mother Fly down to SF the next time the US has a holiday that falls on a Monday. Then go out to Spundae's Sunday night party for that weekend.... Best party you will ever go to in North America. -Your Mother

i'm hoping too this summer since i might be flying to Los Angeles to visit my grand aunt .. maybe she'll wanna come with me!

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Originally posted by swilly no but one can improve things cant they. What is people in mexico said well we are never going to be as rich as germany so why bother with development? WHy why??? because you improve things. That is what life is about improvement of yourself and your surroundings

Is it really that much of an improvement?
I think it's quite an objective question as to whether it's an "improvement".

Sure it would be nice to be like once in a while but I agree with others.
I'd rather see one or two headliners that "Toronto" brought in, than a little bit of a whole bunch. Ultraspin was perfect for that.

And business-wise makes absolutely no sense to pay large $$ for a name like "Godskitchen" when they don't have to.
They know the place will be packed with the DJ's name alone (given the DJ of course).

And oh yea, have you checked the government regulations on "raves" in the past couple of years?
It's choked the scene hard hence no choice of big, outdoor events.

Personally, there's lots of big names that have been coming down the pipe as of late, so what's the problem??

I agree with the "less is more" logic. What's the point hearing 8 DJs in one night spin for an hour or so each? You get no flow in their sets, it's over so quickly.

Personally, I think UltraSpin events are right on for Toronto. G&D, Infected Mushroom and Rank 1 was one hell of a lineup. Adding 3 or 4 other huge names would not have improved the night at all for me. On regular nights at Guv, having Mark Oliver open or open/close for another good DJ is perfect too. Ditto for smaller events at System with someone like Deko-ze.

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Originally posted by MarkT I agree with the "less is more" logic. What's the point hearing 8 DJs in one night spin for an hour or so each? You get no flow in their sets, it's over so quickly. Personally, I think UltraSpin events are right on for Toronto. G&D, Infected Mushroom and Rank 1 was one hell of a lineup. Adding 3 or 4 other huge names would not have improved the night at all for me. On regular nights at Guv, having Mark Oliver open or open/close for another good DJ is perfect too. Ditto for smaller events at System with someone like Deko-ze.

whatever light wieghts JK
well tell you what when you hear fergie open for armin followed by ferry corstien then tell me what you tihnk?

Its a good experierence but to each his own and i do admit that having locals open for big names is alright but.... its also nice to hear a bit of variety in the big names as well. As opposed to hearing a local try and warm up for a big name
but.. i could be wrong
I am content with torontos scene but there is always room for improvment
cheers
swilly

Can't speak for all TO Clubbers, but I'd rather not have hard dance ( or hard house , or whatever the hell that type of music is called ) spun at clubs here. Fergie and the lot can keep it across the pond for all i care. The scene in Toronto is more then fine the way it is, lots of progginess, good house, healthy doses of breaks and jungle, and as always quality trance.

Jus my $0.02 on da matter.

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Originally posted by TO guy Ummm, anyone remember a party that had Anne Savage, Gabriel & Dresden, Infected Mushroom and Rank 1?

umm yea and thats prolly one of the best this side of the world ever got ... i went for gatecrasher@nec in november and they had matt hardwick, scott bond , pvd , tiesto , armin ferry and jules and it was in an arena with 15000+ ppl and imo the party was in a league of it own ... theres no comparison to the events we get and the ones in europe ..

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Originally posted by raveed umm yea and thats prolly one of the best this side of the world ever got ... i went for gatecrasher@nec in november and they had matt hardwick, scott bond , pvd , tiesto , armin ferry and jules and it was in an arena with 15000+ ppl and imo the party was in a league of it own ... theres no comparison to the events we get and the ones in europe ..

Well, it's true that the scenes simply cannot compare. But we still get pretty insane line-ups quite often. For instance in June, Aria in MTL had Tiesto/Armin/Guy Ornadel in one night. Moreover all 3 DJs that night played 3.5+ hour sets. Musicwise, I think that's a lot better than at a festival where 10 DJs spin 1.5 hour sets.

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Originally posted by raveed umm yea and thats prolly one of the best this side of the world ever got ... i went for gatecrasher@nec in november and they had matt hardwick, scott bond , pvd , tiesto , armin ferry and jules and it was in an arena with 15000+ ppl and imo the party was in a league of it own ... theres no comparison to the events we get and the ones in europe ..

well said
ya i was at the one there last year for 2002. I saw Lab-4 BK andy farly lisa lashes K90, armin, M.i.k.e tiesto and scott bond and eddie halliwell in one night. cant compare at all
however .......

swilly

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Originally posted by Durafei Well, it's true that the scenes simply cannot compare. But we still get pretty insane line-ups quite often. For instance in June, Aria in MTL had Tiesto/Armin/Guy Ornadel in one night. Moreover all 3 DJs that night played 3.5+ hour sets. Musicwise, I think that's a lot better than at a festival where 10 DJs spin 1.5 hour sets.

hmmm maybe montreal is the place to be then sounds brilliant

swilly

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Originally posted by Durafei Well, it's true that the scenes simply cannot compare. But we still get pretty insane line-ups quite often. For instance in June, Aria in MTL had Tiesto/Armin/Guy Ornadel in one night. Moreover all 3 DJs that night played 3.5+ hour sets. Musicwise, I think that's a lot better than at a festival where 10 DJs spin 1.5 hour sets.

exactly! I'd like to check out one of the super parties with a gajillion people attending...but as a rule, I'd rather hear longer sets from a few people than a whole bunch of short ones.

What you'll generally find in the UK is that 90 minute sets are the norm. I can remember reading flyers where a big name dj was advertised as spinning a 2 hour set (and this was considered a big deal out there). I think alot of it has to do with the locality of the dj's in the UK (ie no travelling). Whereas, for the same dj's to spin in North America, its not economically feasible for them to spin anything under 3 hours (2 in the case of Oakenfold). The travel time alone is going to kill them so they might as well make it worth it.

From what I know, North America is the only place where hard dance isn't played at all. However, we have a huge techno and house movement... something you won't see very much of outside of North America. Perhaps we just have so many different genre's that there's no room left for hard dance.

-Your Mother

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