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Posted by Yoepus on Feb-23-2004 03:31:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut

Perhaps the route should be changed, as pointed out by Flotser here, but I really don't think that changing the route would appease anyone, so why bother in that case.


Ya I agree... I mean even if Israel would have built the wall on 100%indisputable territory (and I mean pre-1967 borders) there would still be this great outcry of the 'big bad evil wall', so might as well make a land grab of it while your at it, no?


Posted by DigiNut on Feb-23-2004 03:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
Ya I agree... I mean even if Israel would have built the wall on 100%indisputable territory (and I mean pre-1967 borders) there would still be this great outcry of the 'big bad evil wall', so might as well make a land grab of it while your at it, no?

Killing two birds with one stone, that's what I call efficient government.


Posted by Flotser on Feb-23-2004 08:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
How bout we cage Israel instead for killing palestinians. Just build a wall around you guys. That would solve all the palestinian problems.

Was it good to build a wall around warsaw in order to concentrate the jews during WW2?

You just love the idea of collective punishment. It makes me sick.


man, you know me already, and i ussualy try to speak calm,
but this thing you said now is simply disgusting!

how cruel can you be? i just feel deep shame when i need to explain to you stuff that are obvius to a 5 years old.

JEWS IN WW2 WERE COMMITING CRIMES AGAINST GERMANS? JEWS BLOWED THEMSELVES UP KILLING INNOCENS? NOT ONLY THEY DID NOTHING, ALL GERMAN JEWS ALSO FOUGHT THE WW1 IN THE GERMAN ARMY.

You are so full of shit and dusgust me. Thousends of Israeli cevillians have died in Terror attacks and suicide bombings and only now the govermnet decided to bulid the wall, AND YOU COMPARE IT TO GETTHOS????? TO CONCENTARTION CAMPS? TO MASS EXTERMINATION CAMPS????

C'MON TELL US THE TRUTH , ADMIT THE YOU ARE AFRAID THAT THE WALL WILL STOP SUICIDE BOMBINGS THAT YOU ADMIRE SO MUCH!


Posted by hardcore trancer on Feb-23-2004 09:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Flotser
You are so full of shit and dusgust me. Thousends of Israeli cevillians have died in Terror attacks and suicide bombings and only now


Thousends of innocent Palastinians have died because of ur filthy regime!!u wanna talk about civillians getting killed??dont even try,because I can write you a book of how many times the IDF has killed children and innocent people and called them'accdidents'

The wall will bring more death and hate toward Isreal!!


Posted by Flotser on Feb-23-2004 09:35:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Thousends of innocent Palastinians have died because of ur filthy regime!!u wanna talk about civillians getting killed??dont even try,because I can write you a book of how many times the IDF has killed children and innocent people and called them'accdidents'

The wall will bring more death and hate toward Isreal!!


Dont just say things that are not connected - it makes you sound stupid again.

If the wall will prevent suicide bombings, IDF will have much less reasons to go inside palestinian cities. this is the best solution for all in current situtation, but you just like your friend cyrus repress logic and cry for death.

Israel have a reson to build a wall, it waited enoug. and the fact you mention that alot of palestinains are killed only supports the idea of a wall.


Posted by VanFleet on Feb-23-2004 11:05:

THE FATAH-AL AQSA BRIGADE

This morning (Feb.22) a suicide bomber on a Jerusalem bus killed 8 Israelis ? including two teenagers on their way to school ? and injured over 60.

The attack was perpetrated by a member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. While it is generally accepted that this terrorist group is connected to Yassir Arafat's Fatah party, most major news agencies continued to downplay that relationship in today's reports:

Associated Press: "The Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a militant group loosely affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility for the attack and identified the bomber as Mohammed Zool, 23, from the village of Hussan near Bethlehem."

Washington Post: "Hezbollah television station Al-Manar reported that the bombing was carried out by the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the militant group that associates itself with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement..."

CNN: "The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades ? the military offshoot of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement ? claimed responsibility for the blast in a statement."

Agence France Presse: "The bombing, claimed by the radical Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed offshoot of Arafat's Fatah movement..."

DIRECT CONNECTION

The evidence, however, clearly indicates that the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade is not some "loose offshoot," but rather has a direct and ongoing bond to the Fatah party, which holds a majority of seats in the Palestinian Parliament. The Palestinian government, therefore, bears direct responsibility for the group's heinous terrorist acts:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/3243071.stm
In November, 2003 a BBC investigation found that up to $50,000 a month was funneled by Fatah directly to the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. When BBC reported on today's attack, their terminology was consistent with these findings ? unlike the outlets above, BBC described the relationship between Fatah and the terrorists in an entirely accurate manner:

The militant al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, part of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah faction, has claimed responsibility for the suicide attack.

http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/bu/pa_cd/cd.htm
Documents captured by the IDF in 2002 indicated Fatah's "systematic, institutionalized and ongoing financing" of the Al Aqsa Brigades, including a special allocation to the Bethlehem branch of the organization (the very group that dispatched today's bomber). After inspecting these documents, President Bush called for Arafat's removal in June, 2002.

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/142002f.asp
The leader of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades (Maslama Thabet) in Tulkarm told USA Today on March 14, 2002: "The truth is, we are Fatah, but we didn't operate under the name of Fatah...We are the armed wing of the organization. We receive our instructions from Fatah. Our commander is Yasser Arafat himself."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/l...ge_20040216.ram
Last week, British MP Jenny Tonge went to visit Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades' Bethlehem branch. BBC's Radio 4 carried a report in which the terrorists themselves admit they are "part of Fatah...the militant part." (Click here to hear the report ? the statement regarding Fatah is about 2:50 in.)

This is not merely a semantic matter. The close ties that bond the Fatah-led PA to terrorist groups are the fundamental problem that prevents progress toward peaceful reconciliation. The dominant political party in the PA remains a direct sponsor of ongoing terrorism ? the ruling politicians and the terrorists are one and the same.


Posted by VanFleet on Feb-23-2004 11:46:

http://wtvt.com/investreptr/jihad.html
Jihad for Kids
It�s a show that won't make the Saturday morning lineup on any American network. But it has had a prominent slot on Palestinian TV.

FOX13 Investigative Reporter
Glenn Selig

Girl singing

It comes complete with puppet shows, games, songs and a very chilling message about becoming a suicide bomber. A little girl sings in Arabic about her ultimate ambition in life.

(Song Translation) �Oh sing my sister constantly about my life as a suicide warrior.�

Another girl screams about preparing to die.

Teaching to hate

(Song Translation) �I foresee my death, but I march quickly. Am I afraid? Life has little value because I'm returning to my lord and my people will know I am a hero.�

That message is repeated again and again in song and verse.

(Song Translation) �I will come at the time of drought with my best efforts bring a machine gun, violence anger, anger, anger...�

The children, most of them elementary school age, shout a message of violence.

�I will return with the dawn of tomorrow. It is my conviction of launch a jihad.�

Girl shouting a message of violence

(Song Translation) �When I wander into Jerusalem, I'll turn into a suicide warrior in battle dress, in battle dress, in battle dress.�

A teacher cheers them on, �Bravo, bravo, bravo.�

If you're like most Americans, you had no idea that the show existed, but the Children's Club is no secret to Israelis.

�I am still shocked every time I see it,� says Hela Crown-Tamir who lived in Israel for 19 years.

�Imagine a teacher telling them bravo, "Crown-Tamir says, "because they're going to grow up to be a militant Islamic suicide bomber.�

Hela Crown-Tamir

Crown-Tamir moved back to The Tampa Bay area to escape the violence that ruined her travel business. She says Americans are just now waking up to the realities Israelis have been facing for years, that children are trained as suicide bombers. Because it's so dramatic, some Israeli groups have used excerpts from The Children's Club to produce a campaign against Palestinian leader Yassir Arafat.

But are Palestinian children really educated this way? Or is this just an Israeli propaganda tool? We contacted several Islamic groups in the Tampa Bay area, but no one from any of those organizations would even agree to watch the tape.

Professor Abdelwahab Hachiche

But University of South Florida professor Abdelwahab Hachiche did agree to watch it.

�I always keep a reasonable degree of skepticism about anything I see or anything I read.�

Hachiche is an internationally recognized expert on Mideast terrorism. He's also an Arab and a Moslem. Until we gave him the tape, he'd never heard of the show. And while he says he has no idea who produced it, he says the translations are accurate and the problem is real.

�And the indoctrination and the danger of indoctrination is very, very serious.�

Dr. Hachiche calls this kind of teaching nothing short of infanticide. But he hopes children growing up in today's Islamic world will ultimately reject these messages of hatred.

�On both sides the younger generation are looking for true leaders who will have the courage to overcome this passion that is leading to mutual destruction.�

Still, in the mid-east the violence continues. And now even in America we're looking terrorism right in the face-- listening and wondering if this is the voice of the future.


Posted by VanFleet on Feb-23-2004 11:46:

Official PA TV: Pressures Exerted on Palestinian Children to seek Shahada - Death for Allah
By Nadav Shragai
Correspondent, Ha'aretz http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=15324

TV: Child Writes to Mother, "Rejoice over My Death"
"Ask for Death - the life will be given to you." This slogan, which was broadcast on Palestinian television on July 5th of last year, was also the headline chosen by the authors of Palestinian Media Watch as the title of their 40th research report. This report examines the social pressure exerted by the Palestinian Authority [PA] on children to die as "Shahids" [Death for Allah].

The written findings of the report are presented with a CD, which is not easy to watch. The televised evidence, includes educational films specially prepared for children that have been broadcast in the Palestinian Authority, texts from PA schoolbooks, and quotes from statements issued by political and religious figures in the Palestinian Authority.

One particular "educational" film clip, which was broadcast regularly during 2001 and 2002 as often as three times a day, shows a child writing a farewell letter to his mother in which he declares, "Rejoice over my death and do not cry for me," and also "How sweet is Shahada [Death for Allah] when I embrace you, my land." This text is recited over a backdrop of a picture showing the child falling to the ground "embracing" the earth.

One short broadcast shows the most famous child Shahid, Muhammad Al-Dura, whose death was captured on camera, apparently calling to Palestinian children, "Join me in Paradise." A child actor plays Al-Dura in fictional scenes of his life in Paradise, frolicking in an amusement park with a kite and on the beach. "How pleasant is the fragrance of Shahids.I go with no fear or tears," says the fictional Al-Dura. The program begins with the caption, "I am waving not to part, but to say you, 'Follow me.' And is signed: "Muhammad Al-Dura"

The report also displays texts that appear in widely-used school books published by the Palestinian Education Ministry, such as the "Song of the Shahid," which is found in four different publications. In one book, "Islamic Education for the Eighth Grade," on page 176, states that, "The Moslem sacrifices himself for his belief , and wages Jihad [Holy War] for Allah. He is not swayed, for he knows that the date of his death as a Shahid on the field of battle is preferable to death in his bed."

The November 2000 issue of "Al-Hayat Al-Jadida," a PA newspaper, quotes "The sports teacher of Wajdi Al-Hattab," [a 14 year old student] "responded to Allah's call and achieved the Shahada he yearned for."

The teacher relates that, "Wajdi asked me to give out cake when he becomes a Shahid." The newspaper also reports that Wajdi's classmates "swore that they would follow the path of Shahada until the liberation of Jerusalem."

The author of the report, Itamar Marcus, writes that many cultural programs "encourage Shahada and show approval for those who are killed. Many television broadcasts include songs and dances accompanied by photographs of violence and highlight how right it is to die for the sake of Allah."

Marcus gives the example of a song [broadcast 3 times on PA TV] that was composed in memory of Wafa Idris, the first woman suicide bomber. The song was recorded at a concert in Egypt, and it describes Idris as a "flower" and a "heartbeat of pride." "In death, you have brought life to our will," the song continues.

In the past Marcus and his institute issued a comprehensive report into Palestinian study material and helped to expose Yasser Arafat's "Hudaybia Speech," in which Arafat compared the Oslo Agreement with the Hudaybia Pact, which the prophet Muhammad signed expressly in order to break later. This time Palestinian Media Watch also brings relevant quotes from Yasser Arafat, who expresses his pride in the Shahids. In a speech given to children who were attending a summer camp, Arafat states, "You are the peers of Faris Ouda [a youth who planned his own death as a Shahid] Onwards together to Jerusalem." In response, the children call out, "Millions of Shahids marching to Jerusalem."

The report also brings examples of the statements issued by the parents of suicide bombers, in which they welcome their children's deaths, and express their satisfaction and joy. The mother of one boy who was killed states: "Praise to God, the Master of the Universe. I can raise my head up high and I have glory and pride. My son is a Shahid. But it is not just my son. All of the Shahids are my children."
The mother of Abbas Al-Awiwi states, "The greatest mother's day present I received this year is the death as a Shahid of Abbas."

Marcus and his staff also bring quotes from speeches delivered by religious leaders. Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Madi stated on Palestinian television in June 2001: "Shame upon he who does not educate his children the education of Jihad. blessings upon he who dons a vest of explosives belt on himself or on his children and goes in to the midst of the Jews".

Sheikh Abd al-Razak stated on Palestinian television on 22nd March 2002: "Allah has planted within our youth the love of Jihad, the love of Shahada. Our youth have turned into bombs, they blow themselves up among them [Israelis] day and night."
Marcus and his colleagues have concluded that, having been exposed to such messages, young Palestinian children from the ages of six till nine play "death" games and role-play the dead. Children between the ages of 10 to 13 express the will to die, sometimes in televised interviews, and from the age of 14 some even take part in suicide attacks.


Posted by VanFleet on Feb-23-2004 11:48:

www.pmw.org.il
Subject: PA Schools teach their children to attack Israelis and die for Allah That is the Palestinian Arab idea of "peace" with Israel Tue, 06 May 2003

Director of Palestinian Children's Aid Association:
"We teach our children to reach Shahada"
By Itamar Marcus

Introduction:
PMW reports documenting the comprehensive Palestinian Authority [PA]
encouragement of their children to aspire to heroic Death for Allah, Shahada, have brought repeated denials by PA leaders in English. However, in their own Arabic language media they continue to see encouraging children to Shahada as a national achievement.

In a candid interview this week on PA TV the Director of the Palestinian "Children's Aid Association", an agency whose function is to help children, stated that as education policy with other values, Palestinians teach their children to aspire to Death for Allah - Shahada.

The following is the text of the interview:

The Interview:
Journalist Samir Shahin:
"The children only wanted to leave [school] and throw stones at the Israeli soldier, and to reach Shahada [Death for Allah]. They aspired to Shahada as a first priority.

Moderator: Mrs. Firial, in your opinion, does the Palestinian child understand the concept of Shahada?

Firial Hillis, C.E.O. of the Palestinian "Children's Aid Association":
"The concept of Shahada for him [the child] means belonging to the homeland, from a religious point of view. Sacrifice for his homeland. Achieving SHAHADA in order to reach Paradise and to meet his God. This is the best. We also teach our children to protect the homeland, belonging and to reach Shahada".
[PATV, May 4, 2003]


Posted by VanFleet on Feb-23-2004 11:50:

http://www.geocities.com/dean_kitni...t_risk_32b.html

Almost all Palestinians support terrorism. Nine of ten Palestinians in the Gaza Strip support continuation of the "military [terrorist] operations", with eight of ten Palestinians in the "West Bank" supporting terrorism.33

Over 90% of Palestinian respondents say they oppose the adoption of a school curriculum that recognizes Israel and does not demand all Israel is given to the Palestinians. According to Khalil Shikaki, associate professor of political science and director of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah, at his March 29, 2001, address to the Washington Institute's Policy Forum, the Palestinian people support terrorism. He reported that Palestinian support for suicide attacks is close to 70%. Furthermore, he reported that Palestinians do not distinguish between attacks on Israeli civilians and Israeli Army targets, regardless of their location inside Israel. However, more recent studies have reported, even worse, 3 of 4 Palestinians support suicide bombing.

Terrorism and suicide attacks against civilians are fully supported by the Palestinian people! Are you listening? It is not just corrupt leadership. The public wants you dead

The Grand Mufti of Egypt, appointed by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi, Sheik of Al-Azhar, not only said that suicide operations are a form of martyrdom, but, "called upon the Arabs and Muslims �to acquire nuclear weapons as an answer to the Israeli threat . . . �" In this context he states, "If Israel has nuclear weapons it will be the first to be defeated because it lives in a world in which there is no fear of death. We are not afraid . . . ."

As long as the Jewish infidels occupy a single inch of Israel, Jihad is a duty and therefore, suicide attacks are permissible, says Sheik Hamed Al-Bitawi, head of the Palestinian Islamic Scholars Association.

"There are no [Israeli] civilians," says Dr. Muhammad Kamal Al-Din Al-Imam, a Lecture on Islamic law at the Alexandria Law Faculty.

Dr. Muhammad Hassan Abd Al-Khaleq says, "Anyone who forbids these operations does not know anything about these Jews. How can anyone forbid the killing of people who believe that stealing and killing is part of their false faith? The Jews have interpreted the Commandment 'Thou shall not kill' as 'Thou shall not kill a Jew'... Many cases of inhuman acts of murder carried out by them for religious motives have been registered in history, like the murder of a Christian priest and the collecting of his blood in order to make of it Passover matzah. This happened at the beginning of the nineteenth-century in Damascus and has been proven to be true..."

"The [Israeli] rats who came from the US, Europe, and Russia will flee," and "whoever blows himself . . . is the highest rank of Martyrdom. . . . I advise the US...: Do not forget what happened to the Marines in Lebanon, nor the bombing of the USS Cole destroyer in Yemen," says Egypt�s Al-Akhbar weekly.

"The Palestinians are fighting against the Zionists with a lethal weapon - the weapon of the multi-birthing woman," says Hamad Al-Majid, for the Al-Sharq Al-Awsat weekly.

On the topic of child martyrs, The Mufti of Jerusalem, appointed by Yasser Arafat, says, "The younger the martyr, the greater and the more I respect him." And, even if an agreement is signed, "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them!

This year, a day before the international observance of Holocaust Remembrance, columnist Ahmad Ragab, writing in that same newspaper said, �Thanks to Hitler, [of] blessed memory, who, on behalf of the Palestinians revenged in advance against the most vile criminals on the face of the earth. Although we do have a complaint against him, for his revenge on them was not enough.� Mr. Chairman, we are not talking about a neo-Nazi publication. This is the semi-official government newspaper of Egypt, whose editor is appointed by President Mubarak.

This antisemitism is also expressed by Arab leaders. For example, just a few months ago, it was announced in Damascus by Syrian Defense Minister, General Mustafa Tlass, that his book, The Matzah of Zion, an infamous antisemitic canard and blood libel, was being made into a movie for worldwide distribution. Tlass� book describes how the Jews of 1840 Damascus allegedly murdered a Catholic priest, Father Toma, and drained his blood in order to use it to bake matzoh to fulfill a Jewish ritual.

At their press conference in Damascus, Tlass and Egyptian producer, Munir Radhi, remarked that The Matzah of Zion would be the Arab world�s answer to Schindler�s List [source MEMRI]. Isn�t it ironic that there is total silence regarding this initiative at the United Nations? After all, Syria is about to be seated as a non-permanent member on the United Nations Security Council.

I can assure you that if a similar announcement had been made by the Defense Ministers of Germany or Poland, it would make the front page of every newspaper in the world. But because it occurred in the Middle East, the world community paid no attention

Since the outbreak of the Oslo Intifada, more synagogues have been desecrated than at any other time since the infamous Kristallnacht of 1938.


Posted by VanFleet on Feb-23-2004 11:50:

http://www.operationsick.com/articl...recruitjust.asp

Two Years On--Still Exploiting Children
By Prof. Justus Reid Weiner, INSTITUTE FOR CONTEMPORARY AFFAIRS, Tuesday, October 01, 2002

The Palestinian Authority continues to exploit children in its conflict against Israel. In this special report, a renowned human rights activist presents a detailed review of one of the world's most disturbing examples of mass child abuse.
Introduction
From the outset of the current Palestinian intifada two years ago, children and teenagers have assumed an integral role. Knowing that Israeli soldiers are ordered not to shoot live ammunition at children, Palestinian snipers hide among youngsters or use them as shields. Three recent developments are also notable:

Yasser Arafat's deputy, Abu Mazen, admitted to a Kuwaiti newspaper in June that Palestinian children have been paid 5 shekels (about $1) for every pipe bomb they throw.
Children have been increasingly mobilized during 2002 for homicide attacks; their parents have received cash payments from the Palestinian Authority, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia.
The attempt at a cover-up: The Palestinian Journalists' Association has warned members that they would be punished if they photographed armed children.

Sacrificing Children
On March 30, 2002, a 16-year-old Palestinian girl named Ayat Akhras walked into a Jerusalem supermarket and detonated a bomb concealed under her clothing, killing two Israelis and wounding 22 others. On April 23, three teenagers - Anwar Hamduna, Yusef Zakut, and Abu Nada - from Gaza, attempted to crawl under the perimeter fence and attack the residents of the nearby Jewish community of Netzarim, only to be shot dead by guards.

For over a month, Palestinian children as young as ten barricaded themselves in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, alongside Palestinian gunmen. In May, a 16-year-old Palestinian boy was arrested in a taxi near Jenin with a suicide bomb on his body. On June 13, 2002, a 15-year-old Palestinian girl, arrested for throwing a firebomb at IDF soldiers, admitted during interrogation that she had previously been recruited as a suicide terrorist. On July 9, 2002, Israeli security forces arrested another 15-year-old Palestinian girl who admitted to having agreed to carry out a suicide1 attack in Israel.

These are some of the latest developments in the intifada, an unprecedented wave of ongoing attacks that has roiled the region for two years. From the outset, Palestinian children and teenagers have assumed an integral role.

Although some elements in Palestinian society oppose using children, or at least their children, in "martyrdom" operations, these voices remain isolated. Just as in previous violent episodes, many Palestinians misuse their children in various ways. Early in the current intifada, children acted as decoys, burning tires and shooting slingshots to attract the television cameras while making it harder for the world to identify the gunmen lying in ambush. Knowing that Israeli soldiers are ordered not to shoot live ammunition at children, Palestinian snipers hide among groups of youngsters, on rooftops or in alleys, often using kids as shields when aiming at exposed IDF soldiers.

Palestinian children receive 5 shekels [approximately $1] in order to throw rocks at IDF soldiers."2 Also, IDF soldiers who participated in the Defensive Shield operation reported that children were sometimes left behind to trigger booby-traps that terrorists set for troops.

But why are these young people willing to throw away their lives? Who led them to believe that assuming dangerous roles in the violence will result in improving their personal, family, and political situation? How did the celebration of violence against Israelis become so deeply ingrained in Palestinian culture? What cause, no matter how deeply held, can motivate a society to sacrifice its children, its future?

A Family's Badge of Pride
The pressure to sacrifice oneself in the intifada often originates at home. Stoked by Arafat's speeches lauding the role of children in the struggle and the importance of martyrdom, many Palestinian parents have come to view the role of youth in the uprising as useful and, indeed, honorable. Thus, after Ahmat Omar Abu Selmia, a 15-year-old, was killed on his way to attack the Israeli community of Dugit, his father celebrated his "martyrdom" at a street festival attended by about 200 men. Martyrs - people who die for the sake of jihad (holy war) and Islam - are held in such high regard by the Palestinian people that at times parents accept the death of their children as a badge of pride. Parents of toddlers proudly recount their little children saying they want to become martyrs, and a father of a 13-year-old said, "I pray that God will choose him" to be a martyr. One mother told a journalist from the (London) Times, "I am happy that he [her 13-year-old son] has been martyred. I will sacrifice all my sons and daughters (12 in all) to Al-Aqsa and Jerusalem." A photograph in the Jerusalem Post on February 26, 2002, showed Palestinian fathers teaching a group of toddlers and young children to properly hold assault rifles while trampling on American and Israeli flags.

Another reason Palestinian parents allow and even encourage their children to get involved is the financial incentive offered to families of "martyrs." Thus, the Palestinian Authority furnishes a cash payment - $2,000 per child killed and $300 per child wounded.3 Saudi Arabia announced that it had pledged $250 million as its first contribution to a billion-dollar fund aimed at supporting the families of Palestinian martyrs.

In addition, the Arab Liberation Front, a Palestinian group loyal to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, pays generous bounties to the injured and the families of the dead according to the following sliding scale: $500 for a wound; $1,000 for disability; $10,000 to the family of each martyr; and $25,000 to the family of every martyr suicide bomber - lavish sums, given the chronic unemployment and poverty of the majority of the Palestinian residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

A Society that Sanctifies Death
Violent death is sanctified throughout the Palestinian areas. The streets are plastered with posters glorifying the exploits of individual suicide bombers. Children trade martyr cards, purchased at their local shops, instead of pokemon or baseball cards, and necklaces with pictures of martyrs are also very popular. One favorite wall slogan reads: "Beware of death by natural causes.

Suicide bombing is considered a source of neighborhood pride, as streets are named after the perpetrators of these atrocities. There is even a band named "The Martyrs," whose lyrics espouse the virtues of "sacrificing yourself for Allah." Under these cultural influences, many children readily admit that they want to become suicide bombers. Some draw pictures and fantasize about the day when they achieve their goal. The young are taught that, as suicide bombers, they will ascend to a paradise of luxury staffed by 72 virgins waiting to gratify the martyrs as they arrive. An American psychiatrist with 22 years of experience studying and treating suicidal patients stresses that suicide bombers - both children and adults - are "tools used by terrorist leaders" with "a whole culture encouraging [them] to die."6

The Palestinian Authority - the Palestinian entity established, empowered, funded, and armed to carry out the Oslo peace process - uses diverse vehicles to incite the youth to participate in anti-Israeli street violence and even outright terrorism. Incitement in Palestinian society is both authoritative and omnipresent. Palestinian columnist Ashraf Al-Arjami agrees that the patriotism of Palestinian youth is being exploited, and the schools and mosques under Palestinian control are influencing the children. The campaign to incite children emanates straight from the top of the Palestinian Authority. Documents signed with the emblem of the Palestinian Authority and Yasser Arafat's office feature inciting words referring to Israelis as "land plunderers" and "creators of international terror." Arafat himself refers to the children as "the generals of the stones," playing to their pride and young egos.

In a Palestinian Authority-run summer camp, a New York Times reporter observed campers staging the kidnapping of Israeli leaders, stripping and assembling Kalashnikov assault rifles, and learning techniques for ambushes. One Palestinian Authority television program clip, aimed at young viewers, features a boy killed in Gaza arriving in heaven where there are beaches, waterfalls, and a Ferris wheel. He is saying, "I am not waving goodbye, I am waving to tell you to follow in my footsteps." On the accompanying soundtrack a song plays, "How pleasant is the smell of martyrs, how pleasant the smell of land, the land enriched by the blood, the blood pouring out of a fresh body." In an October 2001 interview in a Palestinian Authority-controlled newspaper, Youssef Jamah, the Palestinian Minister of Holy Sites, stated on Egyptian television, "The suicide bombings are a legitimate means through which the Palestinians fight the enemy....The attacks are the command of Allah." Although some Islamic authorities oppose suicide bombing, Sheik 'Ikrimi Sabri, the Palestinian Authority-appointed mufti of Jerusalem, said, "There is no doubt that a child [martyr] suggests that the new generation will carry on the mission with determination. The younger the martyr - the greater and the more I respect him." Not surprisingly, senior Palestinian Authority officials attend the funerals of the "martyrs."

Educating the "Martyrs of Tomorrow"
Even in the Palestinian Authority's public schools, incitement to violence plays a major role. Needless to say, interest in reconciliation with Israel is notably absent. The Palestinian Authority's Deputy Minister of Education, Naim Abu Humus, called on school administrators to dedicate the first class to praying for the souls of those killed during the intifada, saying, "Today we glorify Al-Aqsa and Palestine, and remember the Palestinian martyrs." Signs on the walls of kindergartens proclaim their students as "the shaheeds [martyrs] of tomorrow," and elementary school teachers and principals commend their young students for wanting to "tear their [Zionists'] bodies into little pieces and cause them more pain than they will ever know." Posters in university classrooms proudly remind the world that the Palestinian cause is armed with "human bombs." Sheik Hassan Yosef, a leading Hamas member, summarized this process of incitement by saying, "we like to grow them from kindergarten through college." Palestinian Brig. Gen. Mahmoud M. Abu Marzoug reminded a group of 10th grade girls in Gaza City that "as a martyr, you will be alive in Heaven." After the address, a group of these girls lined up to assure a Washington Post reporter that they would be happy to carry out suicide bombings or other actions ending in their deaths.

These factors cumulatively explain why young Palestinians are so excited at the prospect of "martyrdom." "When I become a martyr, give out Kannafa [sweet cake]," one 14-year-old boy was reported to have told his friends in the days prior to his death in the riots. A 12-year-old boy who died in the fighting was reported to have so yearned for martyrdom that he wrote his own death announcements on the walls of his home. An injured 13-year-old boy was reported as having said, "My goal is not to be injured, but rather something higher - martyrdom." A 13-year-old girl from Egypt tried to sneak into Gaza in order to "join the Palestinian children in anything, even throwing stones." A week earlier, a 12-year-old boy was stopped at the Israeli border after attempting the same thing.

But why does the Palestinian Authority encourage Palestinian children to become involved in this violence? Clearly, sympathy for the Palestinian cause has been generated as Western media reports have often highlighted instances in which Palestinian children have been killed or injured by Israeli troops or policemen. These knee-jerk reports have generated criticism of Israeli policies, but few in the Western world have thought through the chaos they see on the television news to consider whose interests are served by the casualties.

Shoved into the Front Lines
There seems to be no end to the list of Palestinian children killed after being shoved into the front lines of the conflict by the Palestinian leadership. In February 2002, Nora Shalhoob, a 16-year-old Palestinian girl, was killed while charging a group of Israeli soldiers at a military checkpoint with a knife in her hand. Andaleeb Taqataqah was only 17 when she was recruited by a terror squad and sent to her death in a suicide attack on a crowded Jerusalem market on April 12, 2002. As a result of the increasing frequency of such attacks, two points have become clear. The first is that Palestinian children and teenagers are lining up to throw their lives away, and the second is that there is an across-the-board effort by Palestinian leaders, parents, clerics, and educators to turn youthful energy into deadly violence.

Recently, six children armed with M-16 and Kalashnikov rifles took part in a pro-Iraqi rally in the Gaza Strip. Exposed to such shocking images, including those of Palestinian toddlers wearing mock suicide bomber's vests, Western public opinion began to shift. Revulsion increasingly replaced curiosity. But rather than fulfill its professional obligation to publicize newsworthy and controversial issues, in August 2002 the Palestinian Journalists' Association warned its members that it would punish any journalist or photographer who took photographs of armed or masked Palestinian children. This intimidating message, which was faxed to journalists and news agencies, stated that Palestinian journalists employed by foreign news agencies are even responsible for making sure their colleagues act according to the warning. The association further added that it would not defend any journalists that do not implement the new policy, should the Palestinian Authority decide to punish them.

Blatant child abuse of this kind, and efforts to cover it up, would not be tolerated anywhere else in the civilized world. Where are the children's welfare advocates to condemn the practices that poison the minds and imperil the bodies of young Palestinians?


Posted by tathi on Feb-23-2004 11:56:

i just read all those articles...no really

go away please


Posted by priveye03 on Feb-23-2004 14:21:

The wall is definatly more political then for security. It's there to gain land and to slowly drain the Palestinians until they have to leave for fear of starvation or death. I am not saying I am for Palestine or for Isreal, because both are practicing atrocious acts, but the wall is one of the worst ideas that has ever been thought of/ followed through with. Why dont the Isrealis do like they did/are doing to the buduin and bomb all of Palestines life threads. It is the same thing.


Posted by TranceGiant on Feb-23-2004 15:32:

quote:
Originally posted by priveye03
The wall is definatly more political then for security. It's there to gain land and to slowly drain the Palestinians until they have to leave for fear of starvation or death.


And you back this statement up with what facts exactely?


Posted by dj_ilan_yosef on Feb-23-2004 17:03:

quote:
Originally posted by priveye03
The wall is definatly more political then for security. It's there to gain land and to slowly drain the Palestinians until they have to leave for fear of starvation or death. I am not saying I am for Palestine or for Isreal, because both are practicing atrocious acts, but the wall is one of the worst ideas that has ever been thought of/ followed through with. Why dont the Isrealis do like they did/are doing to the buduin and bomb all of Palestines life threads. It is the same thing.


Just when I thought you couldn't get any more brain-dead with your clueless remarks!


Posted by Dopey on Feb-23-2004 18:40:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Thousends


you moron


Posted by Cyrus King on Feb-23-2004 18:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Dopey
you moron

go back into your cage


Posted by Palestinian on Feb-23-2004 20:29:

Smoking ..umm..something Americans taught hate

Americans taught hate during the American revolution. Patrick Henry was well known for it:

"No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House."
Allow me to put this in a Palestinian context. Just replace patriotism with fidayeeism or shaheedism and you got your Palestinian hate. In fact, the arabic word for patriot is fidayee, so I guess Palestinians are teaching the same thing that Americans taught.

"It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country."
Replace God with Allah and all of a sudden it all sounds starkly familiar.

"They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house?"
Replace British with Israeli.

"I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!"

"The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us."
Replace liberty with Jihad and it sounds like the typical Hamas speech.

"Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come....Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!"
Replace Boston with Nablus and war with intifada.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty Allah! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

You can take any revolutionary speech and make it sound like it preaches hate.


Posted by hardcore trancer on Feb-23-2004 20:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Dopey
you moron


If Iam a moron then imagine what you are!!!


Posted by Yoepus on Feb-23-2004 21:02:

I am rubber you are glue.

Seriously, can we have a lamier flame war then this?

what a waste of good popcorn


Posted by Palestinian on Feb-23-2004 21:14:

And yes, Al Aksa Brigades are an integral resistance wing of Fatah. I never denied that and I don't think many Palestinians deny it either. They operate mosly in Tulkarm and other parts of the West Bank. Their formation came about when Fatah seemed weak in front of Hamas and Islamic Jihad.


Posted by Flotser on Feb-23-2004 22:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Palestinian
And yes, Al Aksa Brigades are an integral resistance wing of Fatah. I never denied that and I don't think many Palestinians deny it either. They operate mosly in Tulkarm and other parts of the West Bank. Their formation came about when Fatah seemed weak in front of Hamas and Islamic Jihad.


Now they operate mostly in Beit-Lehem. and thats where most of the suicide bombers in the last attacks came from.
hmmm... why is that?
because of an agreement that was made between Israel and Abu Mazen's goverment that Israel will give the control over beit-lehem to PLO security forces....

its a fact.


Posted by Cyrus King on Feb-24-2004 02:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Flotser
man, you know me already, and i ussualy try to speak calm,
but this thing you said now is simply disgusting!

how cruel can you be? i just feel deep shame when i need to explain to you stuff that are obvius to a 5 years old.

JEWS IN WW2 WERE COMMITING CRIMES AGAINST GERMANS? JEWS BLOWED THEMSELVES UP KILLING INNOCENS? NOT ONLY THEY DID NOTHING, ALL GERMAN JEWS ALSO FOUGHT THE WW1 IN THE GERMAN ARMY.


Too bad you dont see that millions of palestinians dont commit crimes like the innocent israeli's that get blown up.

Too bad that children have been senselessly shot in the head on numerous occasions.

Too bad Arafat doesnt threaten death to Sharon, but Sharon does.

Its too bad that you are blinded by your own hate for the otehr side. Guess what....arabs are taking over that region slowly.

Your precious israel cannot fight the true weapon arabs have.... and that is their demographic advantage.

All you see is PALESTINIANS = Terrorists

Therefore we should punish ALL of them.

Get a life...in fact... try saving one by encouraging radical israeli's to become refusnicks.

quote:

You are so full of shit and dusgust me. Thousends of Israeli cevillians have died in Terror attacks and suicide bombings and only now the govermnet decided to bulid the wall, AND YOU COMPARE IT TO GETTHOS????? TO CONCENTARTION CAMPS? TO MASS EXTERMINATION CAMPS????

C'MON TELL US THE TRUTH , ADMIT THE YOU ARE AFRAID THAT THE WALL WILL STOP SUICIDE BOMBINGS THAT YOU ADMIRE SO MUCH!



I do compare the intent similar to that of the germans. To concentrate and controll a whole people based on their race.

And you wanna know the truth....YOUR GOVERNMENT IS EVIL....THEY UTLIZE THE SAME TACTICS TERRORISTS USE.. AND THAT IS FEAR AND HORROR!!!!!!!!!!

STATE TERRORISM....learn it moron


Posted by Krypton on Feb-24-2004 03:04:

quote:
Americans taught hate during the American revolution. Patrick Henry was well known for it:

"No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House."
Allow me to put this in a Palestinian context. Just replace patriotism with fidayeeism or shaheedism and you got your Palestinian hate. In fact, the arabic word for patriot is fidayee, so I guess Palestinians are teaching the same thing that Americans taught.

"It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country."
Replace God with Allah and all of a sudden it all sounds starkly familiar.

"They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house?"
Replace British with Israeli.

"I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!"

"The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us."
Replace liberty with Jihad and it sounds like the typical Hamas speech.

"Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come....Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!"
Replace Boston with Nablus and war with intifada.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty Allah! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

You can take any revolutionary speech and make it sound like it preaches hate.


palestinian, the revolutionaries never recruited children to become suicide bombers. nor did americans personally have a hatred of all things british. they wanted to do away with british colonial power, and become an independent nation of freedom. but they did not want to destroy the british nation just because they at the time, were the enemy. innocent civilians were not killed on any regular or dileberate basis, which is a palestinian fav. target. the innocent israeli's, just trying to go about their days, to school, jobs, home. at least israeli's main targets are militants. yes of course civilians will be affected, but the israeli army does not specifically target civilians for attack.

the story of mohammed al durruh. tragic yes, but under the circumstances, they were just at the wrong place at the wrong time. palestinian militants were engaged in a firefight with PLO units inside of their compound. it is not the israeli's fault for civilian deaths. are you going to say,
"ok this bullet is for that hamas fighter over there, plz dont hit that man running across the street, he is unarmed"

^^no, that is not possible. in the reality of this world, people WILL be killed. maybe in mohammed's story, if those militants hadnt fired on the compound, maybe durruh would still be alive, and his father would have that car they were looking for on that day.


Posted by VanFleet on Feb-24-2004 05:19:

Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Brigades derive their legitimacy by killing Israeli secretaries, high schoolers and sending homicide bombers to slaughter two year olds eating ice cream and civilians eating Pizza.


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