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Maybe to much E has given you these point of views... trance is simply a style of music nothing more nothing less, we as trance addicts have just given the music a chance where as alot of the world are sheep and when it comes to music they just seem to follow the whats good or fashionable to listen to at the present time.

Gifted is someone like picotto who is able to turn something plain into something amazing! Gifted definitly isn't someone like me and you who get a fucking amazing buzz off what he produced!

gifted mwwwuhahaha leave the drugs alone

QUOTE]Originally posted by Flowtation
Maybe to much E has given you these point of views... trance is simply a style of music nothing more nothing less, we as trance addicts have just given the music a chance where as alot of the world are sheep and when it comes to music they just seem to follow the whats good or fashionable to listen to at the present time.

Gifted is someone like picotto who is able to turn something plain into something amazing! Gifted definitly isn't someone like me and you who get a fucking amazing buzz off what he produced!

gifted mwwwuhahaha leave the drugs alone [/QUOTE]

point 1: yeah, the artist is gifted. we R just..enlightened (if that sound better to U)
point 2: I'm not bringin' trance to a state of a religion. it's just better (hey, maybe U R not such a trancEaddict after all...U listen to it, U like it(but there's a long way to addiction and dedication) but then sometimes I like listening to rock...and this doesn't make me a rock-fan)
point 3: I don't do drugs (check out one thread that could show U that)
point 4: Y didn't others gave this style of music a chance like we did (hey, I'm not sayin' we R the only ones smart, or that trance is the ultimate style of music...)

and I truly believe that, indeed, the artists are the one truly gifted. but if we understand them, we R close to that gift, that power, that special something that made us (U and me, and the whole gang around) trancEaddicts!

Re: R we gifted? (on the power to understand TRANCE)

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Originally posted by hypronix I've seen many posts lately regarding the lack of capability to understand trance by many. From that Bruce Wayne individual that started to analyze trance as this is an animal, till the few friends apri_peel has that love trance, and to my romanian friends which listen to all kind of crap (this-U must agree-is the situation worldwide), I've been wondering Y only so few understand this music? Y only so few R capable of FEELING IT. So I'm beginnin' to realy believe this. I'm believin' that we indeed R gifted, so we can understand and feel trance. I wish to thank nature, to thank God that he has given me this ability... the power to fully comprehend it's magic. So I'm askin' U... do U think we R gifted?

Yes well I did bring up Bruce Wane with that post from that other forum. To answer what you have said hypronix I think yes for sure we do and its alot greater than you think, here is my post on do you see colours in trance Originally posted by me
[B] Yea I would like to know more u4ea soulstar, I will tell you every thing that happens .

First off It happened out of the blue back in 1993 when i was 17, I heard a song on a TV show It was Called Mr Vain / Culture Beat it just jumped straight out I could see two colours and two shapes, the buzzing sound was red and moved in waves, the bassline was dark or black and round in shape . Its happen so many times now with a lot of songs I could tell you the shape and colour off the top of my head .

Also I will tell you this I have dreams with complete songs that I have never heard of before. also when I listen to music I will have some sort of trigger that sets of a new melody playing in my head. When I have strong Emotions I also have a melody playing to.

With all this happening I have been Producing my own music all of these iders and my melodies are up there with the best and I ve only been at it for 1.5 years ,also I am a Artist I draw and paint my imagination is that great people cant belive that I am not on Drugs { music and art }

The last one, from the ages of 5-13 I would Hallucinate when I got sick , it happens when I go to sleep and I would see things that the movie producers wouldent be able to do. The only way to get out off It was pertens would throw me into a bath of cold water and I would slowly come out of it wondering what the hell I was doing here. I new when I was going to hallucinate because I would be lying in bed and the shets would become the roughest rough and the smoothest smooth at the some time with the combonation sinking as fast as you would fall

Originally posted by me ............................I for got to tell you the shape and the colours . shapes are round, fuzzy, pointy, waves, dots, flashers sharp. Colours are, red, white ,yellow , orange ,black grey, but it uselay black in the center. I can have any combonation of the two apart from the colour black its mostly round or fuzzy.

Man! You people are so overly arrogant to think that there is a select group that really "feels" trance...I think it's just pathetic
What would make one person part of ur little group...and the other person not? And how can you fucking say that you can't have the same feelings for hip-hop or metal? I think you peeps need to get ur heads examined and YES...lay off the drugs for a while, cuz it's been know to give you feelings of megolomania

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus Man! You people are so overly arrogant to think that there is a select group that really "feels" trance...I think it's just pathetic What would make one person part of ur little group...and the other person not? And how can you fucking say that you can't have the same feelings for hip-hop or metal? I think you peeps need to get ur heads examined and YES...lay off the drugs for a while, cuz it's been know to give you feelings of megolomania

I don't think so Miss Proximus, it has a lot to do with the mind and how it works, certain triggers cause a response to make you feel in a way or see things. Don't underestimate the power of the mind cause you are forgetting that most of us only use 10% of it,I think some of use tap into other and depper areas than other people, now go and think about that for a wile and you will see where I'm coming from, and I know this for a fact that I 'm not like most normal people

I think you are too busy with yourself to see that there are a lot of people that can really get into something they love so please, stop acting like you're jesus

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus I think you are too busy with yourself to see that there are a lot of people that can really get into something they love so please, stop acting like you're jesus

Ok Miss Proximus let me give you something to think about, the normal hearing range is 20hz-20000 ok, you are not hearing anything out side that range are you, right, but if your range would go higher or low you would be able to hear things that other people can't, right.Its the same for our minds, other areas are more developed in different parts letting certain people pick up on different things. can you work it out now??

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus So true, Renegade!! And here in Holland, almost all the teenagers/twentiers love trance....so I have never felt special about it

If thats the case they are just listening to it just because its in, they are not true lovers, if rock was in they would listen to that to

At my work, there's this guy that HATES it when I pump my trance in the office. He alway's says "why do you listen to this techno crap?" First of all, I said it's not techno (for the most part), second, I asked him what he listens to. He said Christian Rap. Then I asked him if it gives him an unexplainable feeling inside that is basically every human emotion magnified and rolled into one feeling, kinda like how trance makes me feel. His response was "music is music. It's not emotional. I listen to Christian because I want to go to heaven."

The first thing that came to my mind after hearing that quote is as follows: Trance IS heaven, and the world around us is hell. When I listen to trance, it's my escape from reality into my heaven.

There is too much steriotype about our generation. Raves are concidered parties were people just do drugs and have sex and fight.
I know many people who have never taken a drug in their life and are still hardcore ravers. The media destroys our image when all we wanna do is be happy and listen to our music. We love the music. If there was no trance or techno or D&B or any nice and sometimes overly friendly ravers I would never have gotten into the rave scene.
I think that this music is holding us together when the "MAN" is doing everything to destroy our culture. This music brings us together. I mean, when was the last time you seen people from so many different countries and so many differant races of people come together in piece. I'll give u a hint "NEVER".!!!!Thats what this music is doing for us. If the rest of the world would just listen to the music,And I'm not talking about throwing it on the cd player and just say wow that sounds neat, I am talking about sitting in the dark at night, closing your eyes, rest your head and then let the music take you to your own little space in time. This is how we undestand the music. We let the music take us away. And thats what they need to do. To understand the music, you must become the music. Flow with the beat. Let the sounds and vibrations pulse through your body. Nobody will understand untill they realize what they are missing.

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Originally posted by Electric_Hybrid There is too much steriotype about our generation. Raves are concidered parties were people just do drugs and have sex and fight. I know many people who have never taken a drug in their life and are still hardcore ravers. The media destroys our image when all we wanna do is be happy and listen to our music. We love the music. If there was no trance or techno or D&B or any nice and sometimes overly friendly ravers I would never have gotten into the rave scene. I think that this music is holding us together when the "MAN" is doing everything to destroy our culture. This music brings us together. I mean, when was the last time you seen people from so many different countries and so many differant races of people come together in piece. I'll give u a hint "NEVER".!!!!Thats what this music is doing for us. If the rest of the world would just listen to the music,And I'm not talking about throwing it on the cd player and just say wow that sounds neat, I am talking about sitting in the dark at night, closing your eyes, rest your head and then let the music take you to your own little space in time. This is how we undestand the music. We let the music take us away. And thats what they need to do. To understand the music, you must become the music. Flow with the beat. Let the sounds and vibrations pulse through your body. Nobody will understand untill they realize what they are missing.

**applauds**

and btw, people who say "grrrr, its just music, we aren't anything but normal....grrrr, i have a stick up my ass" makes me angry that they even listen to the same music as me

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Originally posted by plastikE **applauds** and btw, people who say "grrrr, its just music, we aren't anything but normal....grrrr, i have a stick up my ass" makes me angry that they even listen to the same music as me

It doesn't make me angry it just makes me feel like everyone who doesn't feel for trance the way i do is missing out on somethin.

ya i was being sarcastic on my reply
but i agree with you, i feel that they ARE missing out on something....and, now that you mention it, it actually makes me feel sorry for them

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Originally posted by plastikE ya i was being sarcastic on my reply but i agree with you, i feel that they ARE missing out on something....and, now that you mention it, it actually makes me feel sorry for them

I do feel sorry for them. Cause there are some pretty unhappy people out there just like i used to be before I found trance. It made me a happier person. not just the music but the whole scene, the people the vibes.

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Okay, first of all I never even came close to saying that people can't get any meaning out of trance. Of course they can, and from what many of you are saying, many of you guys do get a lot of meaning out of it. This is fine, but it still doesn't mean that there is anything inherently special about trance. People can get the same sort of meaning from house-music, classical music, new-age music etc. as well, but does that mean that there is anything inherently special about these types of music? Do you guys get chills when you listen to Roger Sanchez, Johan Sebastian Bach or Yanni? I'm guessing that the majority of you don't, but the point is many people do. All I'm trying to say, is that it is arrogant to assume that just because you enjoy and feel special about a certain type of music, that you are necessarily right, and are tapped into a higher sense of consciousness than people who don't listen to your genre of music.

If you get a sense of meaning or an emotional response from music then that's fantastic, but don't expect everyone else to feel the same way. Regardless of what you think, all your life (including your personality and with that your tastes in music, movies, food, women etc.) has been shaped by your experiences. Your life may have turned out in such a way that your total sum of experiences have amounted to you having a deep passion for trance music, science fiction movies, cheese sandwitches and blonde women, but it could have just as easily, given the right circumstances, developed you into a person who loved Opera music, romantic movies, grilled pepper steak and brunette women. Can you see what I mean about the subjectivity of taste?

Now I do not have a stick up my arse just because I don't think there's anything inherently special about trance (if there was, every human being on the planet would be listening to it right now). I enjoy listening to trance music, but that certainly doesn't mean that I have to assume that it's objectively the best type of music in the world just because I happen to enjoy it. Every human being has their own tastes, none are right or wrong. Don't even try to argue that they are.

Having said that, you have to be doing things for the right reason, and if you're listening to music just to be cool, then, well, you've got problems. I know what you're saying about many of these people who listen to R'n'B. We have them here in Australia too. They all just lounge around in the r'n'b room, drinking fancy drinks, trying their best to impress everyone else in the room. I'm not saying that there isn't anyone in the room who doesn't feel for the music, but they're certainly in the minority. I've always said that r'n'b is pop music for people who reckon they're the shit, basically because both forms of music are middle of the road, and I can only assume that the majority of people who listen to these forms of music are only doing so because the local radio dj told them that it was the thing to do. Having said that, if people do (for some reason) get some sort of meaning from these kinds of music then I applaud them, and would encourage them to continue listening to it, but at the same time I can only reproach those who listen to these types of music just to fit in socially (though maybe the feeling of being able to fit in socially is how people get their meaning from these types of music?).

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I think that this music is holding us together when the "MAN" is doing everything to destroy our culture. This music brings us together.

That was exactly the kind of crap that the grunge culture used to spit out, but does that make their music any more unifying objectively? What ever happened to the grunge culture anyway?

I'll give you a hint: they all grew up, got jobs on wall-street and started families. For all their defiance, and "passion" for their music, they moved on suprisingly quickly, and the grunge culture is now as good as dead (here in Aus anyway). But try telling them that 10 years ago and they wouldn't have believed you. Their music was just as full of passion as ours is, they were just as unified as we are, so certain that their music was the only right one, the one true genre. But it died. Within the space of a decade practically. Now all these guys probably listen to Vivaldi and Enya on their way to their cushy office jobs, their passion for the grunge culture dead and buried. My point here is, is that everyone is so certain that what they believe in is right, and the only possible way, but tastes are subjective and keep on changing. If trance is still around in 10 years, I can only wonder what percentage of you are still listening to it then.

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If the rest of the world would just listen to the music,And I'm not talking about throwing it on the cd player and just say wow that sounds neat, I am talking about sitting in the dark at night, closing your eyes, rest your head and then let the music take you to your own little space in time. This is how we undestand the music. We let the music take us away. And thats what they need to do. To understand the music, you must become the music. Flow with the beat. Let the sounds and vibrations pulse through your body. Nobody will understand untill they realize what they are missing.

False causality. It's not the music that makes people happy, it's the subjective meaning they attach to it themselves. Fans of new-age music do exactly the same thing, but it doesn't mean that new-age music on its own is so special that it has the ability to stop wars or to unify races. It can only acheive this if everyone attaches their own subjective meaning to it. All these new-age fans, however, would be sitting in a darkened corner, listeing to their music and saying "those guys who listen to trance don't know what they're missing". No genre, inherently, though, is so special that it has the ability to make absolutely everyone feel good. You can attach meaning to any form of music that you like, the fact that trance makes you feel that way is just the way you've turned out after all your life experiences. A slightly different set of experiences, though, and you might have been saying exactly the same things about new-age music.

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Don't underestimate the power of the mind cause you are forgetting that most of us only use 10% of it.

Just thought I'd point out that we use virtually 100% of our brains. Maybe only ten percent of it at any given time (depending on what sort of activities we're involved in) but you'd probably use close to 100% of it in any given day. Where's my evidence for this? Go and look at a reading of activity inside someone's head (i.e. a CAT scan or something similar). If 30-40% of someone's brain isn't active at any given time, I'll eat my hat. Consciousness isn't something that is permanent, it is constantly changing, and performing exactly the same activity twice will result in wildly different brain patterns.

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Ok Miss Proximus let me give you something to think about, the normal hearing range is 20hz-20000 ok, you are not hearing anything out side that range are you, right, but if your range would go higher or low you would be able to hear things that other people can't, right.

Again, this just underlines my point about the sunbjectivity of taste. If our hearing range was only slightly different, we'd be listening to vastly different forms of music, and finding these forms of music every bit as special as we find trance.

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I don't think so Miss Proximus, it has a lot to do with the mind and how it works, certain triggers cause a response to make you feel in a way or see things.

Exactly my point. Whatever repsonses the music triggers are what gives music its meaning, not the music itself.

Any type of music is capable of triggering some sort of favourable response inside your head: trance, classical, new-age, whatever. It doesn't mean that there is anything at all special about these forms of music, it just that due to the experiences that people have, different forms of music trigger different reaction as the people mature. While Michael Jackson may have formed a favourable response inside your head when you were 10, trance may form a similar response now, and by the time you turn 35 it could be classical music that makes you feel special. If any of these forms of music were absolutely special, we'd all be listening to it, and everyone would love it, from age 3-300.

Anyway, I certainly don't want to offend anyone here, if your views are different to mine then I respect that, I don't want to start a fight. All I wanted to do was to point out how arrogant it is to assume that your own perspective must be absolutely right, and that it must be a deficiency in other people if they don't see the world the way that you do. This is how wars start.

Anyways, peace.

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Originally posted by Renegade I'll give you a hint: they all grew up, got jobs on wall-street and started families. For all their defiance, and "passion" for their music, they moved on suprisingly quickly, and the grunge culture is now as good as dead (here in Aus anyway). But try telling them that 10 years ago and they wouldn't have believed you. Their music was just as full of passion as ours is, they were just as unified as we are, so certain that their music was the only right one, the one true genre. But it died. Within the space of a decade practically. Now all these guys probably listen to Vivaldi and Enya on their way to their cushy office jobs, their passion for the grunge culture dead and buried. My point here is, is that everyone is so certain that what they believe in is right, and the only possible way, but tastes are subjective and keep on changing. If trance is still around in 10 years, I can only wonder what percentage of you are still listening to it then.

okay, first of all, i KNOW of people who have nice jobs and live in silicon valley, and listen to trance (and YES, some of them have jobs and are ''all grown up''....yet they are still addicted)...and ALSO, i know of people who've been listening to trance since the early 90's, and are still going full throttle.....so comparing the 'trance scene' to the dead 'grunge scene' wouldn't be real valid.....and you're saying that sooner or later well all ''grow up'' and get nice jobs and listen to yanni? my ass! a lot of us (like i said earlier) are already grown up (not me though ) and some even have families.....but they just dont ''stop listening'' cause 10 yrs have passed

ANYWAYS....i think that was the longest post ive ever read lol btw renegade, i like how you presented yourself with valid facts and were very calm **pat on tha back** peace

Well I think that electronic music is definately here to stay, but I still have serious doubts about whether trance will have the legs to last very far into this decade. I mean it's kinda been in decline since its popularity peaked in 1998/99 and I just can't help but wonder where it can possibly go from here. I said in the progressive thread in the music section that contemporary trance is slowly evolving into the more minimal, progressive sound, and I guess this is my evidence to show how tastes, on the whole (while not necessarily in the individuals you talk about there) change over time, and that music, along with the emotions that it brings, is bound to change.

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**pat on tha back**

Thanks, appreciate it.

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus I think you are too busy with yourself to see that there are a lot of people that can really get into something they love so please, stop acting like you're jesus

Sorry Miss P, but if you ask me (and I'm not trying to insult you), you're one of the persons who just like trance, but who don't get that special feeling when listening to some tracks. I don't blame you for that. But I'm saying this, based on different posts of you. I admire you're making fun in your life (so do I...), you like going out to trance parties, you're a devoted TA...But it seems like it stops there for you, trance has no extra meaning to you. Well, again, nothing wrong about it... but maybe, you should have more respect for peepz for who, trance doesn't stop with parties and so on. For who, trance is part of their personality, a part of their daily life. For who, trance gives an extra dimension (I'm also talking about my own life). So don't you think it's good to admire that, instead of saying they shouldn't act like Jesus, or some other things you've said in the past. Daily life is superficial and formal enough...so why not having moments in your life, you give some space to emotions, thoughts, dreaming away with some trance...And ok, it's wrong to class yourself into a special group of people who have this view on trance, but it's really nice when you meet people who have to same feeling.

Greeetz

Something is happening to trance nowadays. Something BAD. In fact I'm gradually losing my faith in it...

First, to Renegade.
Well, I can say (4 me) that I don't want to take trance and making it a religion. I mean, sayin' it's the best genre of music and all. This way I could make a whole list (about everyday stuff) and say I'm the best there is...just based on the fact anything I like is good (well, this was of course a theoretical situation - I don't! it would be extremely...cocky). I'm just tryin' to point out the fact that throught trance we have developed a new life-style (I could start a threa on this too..and Flowtation would have somethin' to say 'bout it..) that for most cases is a good life-style. Some had it before the discovery and maybe improved it, others just started...

then to trance control - well, U R right. but some gifts U discover in time. U think U could go to the stereo when U were a kid and play some trance?

there is some part of our brain that has this capability. emotions... well, any1 has different emotions, caused by different things. any1 can take their fav. style of music and say it rules...
agree that trance is beautiful? then how come not every1 understands it, likes it? there are many beautiful things in life, and maybe we don't know all of them...
okay, it might be taste and the way one is educated.
but I say it's how one's soul is educated. (sense te difference)

Miss Proxy (and not only U!) I don't know if U R a trancEaddict or not. no1 knows. there was a thread about "what makes U a TA", but then... who knows? U like the beat, U get hyper... but when do U stop? have U ever found Urself meditating alone, in the darkness, shivers all thru Ur body... and listening to trance? (I am ref. to emotional shivers..duh! )if that's a fact..maybe you are an addict.
if not... don't give up trance anyway!

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Originally posted by Eugene Something is happening to trance nowadays. Something BAD. In fact I'm gradually losing my faith in it...

WHAT? what do U mean? let's hear! (well, U think of cheese?=pop-trance)

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Originally posted by Renegade You're forgetting that just because we may enjoy trance and garner some hidden meaning from it, it doesn't mean that there's anything inherently brilliant about trance, it's just that we have a personal preference towards it. Some people probably get the same feelings from listening to classical music or rock 'n' roll or whatever - which just goes to underline the fact that all tastes are subjective. Each to their own. But tastes develop and mature according to what we experience in life. For instance, we only find trance so meaningful now because the sum total of everything that we've experienced has led us to feel this way: if you'd been played trance when you were ten, and hadn't had the right experiences to form an appreciation for trance, you go "what the hell is this shit?". People, because they've each had infinitely different experiences from everyone else, are going to differ widely in tastes. Next time you wonder how it is that some people don't like trance, just ask yourself why you don't like house music, or rock 'n' roll, or rap (or any other form of music you don't share others passion for), and you may be able to understand. Are we gifted then? No, not really. We just happen to have had the right experiences to have made trance appeal to us. Liking trance is no more a gift than liking icecream or liking any given sporting team: just because it has meaning to us and we are emotionally attached to it, it doesn't mean that there is any objective reason why other people should necessarily feel the same way. Similarly, it doesn't mean that there is any inherent brilliance in trance itself, we just choose to see it that way. Hope I've answered your question hypronix?

Brilliantly said! Thanks

Some people are trying to explain that we search a meaning after it, while actually we just love trance. After thinking about it, I suddenly remember an article about trance. Trance have its origin in India, in the goa culture. There, it was all about spiritual things and so on...After europe discovered the trance, trance evoluated, there came new styles, more general styles lik melodic trance. But as we are still searching a meaning...aren't we search the meaning india had with its goa? That in some styles of trance (underground trance), there's still the meaning goa had in india? The mystical, mythic, dark, dreamy atmosphere? The higher state of mind...?

It's kinda weird but yes! I agree with all of you guys who actually believe in Trance music, well actually I would even consider a lot of generes in electronic. It's not just those squeaking and thumping sounds many friends tell me. it's the emotions put in the song.
It was very fuuny 'cuz there was this girl i just loved, in her b'day I mixed a set for her puttin' all the trance that had a really good meaning for me, and gave it to her, i just told her, 'Listen carefully and try to understand'. and 2 days later she i saw her again and without sayin' anything she just kissed me, and now we are so happy (cheese again but it happened) sjhe told me that she understood everything I wanted to tell her using no words, she was so astoniched that one could express so much.... so my point here is thet aven if we are just a handful of people with this "feeling" or ability I guess we should feel proud of it, no more plastic, meaningless pop, but a community with feelings and music.

Let's not forget that some types of music (oriental mainly) still have, as a purpose, meditation. And trance, if it comes from one of those types, still holds that characteristic. But only the "chosen ones" could reach the higher state of mind. And the same happens with trance.

hey Daffer! take care! she is a valuable lil girl! not many I know that understand trance (well I', lucky, cause my girlfriend also does.. the acid_burn..check the sig!)

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