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Originally posted by albertoR You are an idiot, how old are you kid? such an arrogant, cocky piece of shit. damn i sure hate to argue with babies but in this case ill make an exception first of all, the Pope is God's representant on Earth according to some christians and catholics. Im sure that qualifies him as knowing more than anyone who picked up the bible. There have been more religious occurences since the time of the bible such as miracles, appereances. You will ask for proof no doubt but fuck you, find it yourself, your so good at it. Oh and yes i did read your post. In fact, ive read the Anne Catherines book as well. In her visions, the night before Jesus was taken to Pilate, Jesus was tortured by the Jews completely. If that would have been in the film, it would have been anti semitic. You say you won't see the film, i bet you will and if you don't your the one missing out. Oh and Pearl Harbor isn't half the movie "The Passion of Christ" is, so bad comparison kid. Im glad you did say in my opinion though in your last paragraph. Thats a first.

Didn't you say you were agnostic? lol... you're almost fanatically religious, making nothing more than a bunch of unsupported assertions and fallacious arguments.

Please, try to refrain from the personal insults. Making ad hominem attacks against people who are known on this board to be very rational and very good debaters does not help your argument.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Didn't you say you were agnostic? lol... you're almost fanatically religious, making nothing more than a bunch of unsupported assertions and fallacious arguments. Please, try to refrain from the personal insults. Making ad hominem attacks against people who are known on this board to be very rational and very good debaters does not help your argument.

i am agnostic, just not on your standards of ignorance. Im just puting up a debate, that is what this board is about right? Besides why should i take your side? you guys make no sense either. What are my unsupported assertions and fallacious argument? i'de like to know. Fanatically religious? no, i just think its a good film.

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You are an idiot, how old are you kid? such an arrogant, cocky piece of shit. damn i sure hate to argue with babies but in this case ill make an exception

Personal attack

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first of all, the Pope is God's representant on Earth according to some christians and catholics. Im sure that qualifies him as knowing more than anyone who picked up the bible. There have been more religious occurences since the time of the bible such as miracles, appereances. You will ask for proof no doubt but fuck you, find it yourself, your so good at it.

unsupported assertions and fallacious arguments

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Oh and Pearl Harbor isn't half the movie "The Passion of Christ" is, so bad comparison kid.

You want to back that up?

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Originally posted by DigiNut When it comes to things like holocaust denial, sitting on the fence isn't good enough - dismissing a historical event of such magnitude as something that never happened is just wrong, and I think that if one of your friends started harping about how the September 11 attacks never really happened or that the war in Iraq never happened or that WWII never happened, you would probably feel the need to "correct" them. I don't have a source on him "not disagreeing" with his father's views, but how could anyone have a source on that? However, if you look at the information that is available, you will see that most of them say he simply does not have a public statement on the matter, that he neither agrees nor disagrees. The point is that we don't have a source on him disagreeing either, which would be fine if people weren't demanding it and hadn't brought the issue into question, but they are and they did. While it is true that Mel may not actively "agree" with his father, his lack of any public statement whatsoever on the matter would seem to indicate that he has something to hide. If anyone can find any evidence of Gibson publicly stating that he disagrees with things such as holocaust denial and blood libel, I will gladly retract my statement. Obviously one would not assume that a person is an anti-semite simply because they don't actively set out to prove that fact - however, once there is reason to "suspect" someone, once accusations are made, and once they then refuse to make any statements in their defense, they begin to look guilty. Read this article: I don't have a lot of respect for Mel or his co-producers anymore after reading it. It doesn't have specific evidence of Mel as an anti-semite, but it doesn't cast him or his movie buddies in a very favourable light, either. Personally I think this movie was a bad career move. But only time will tell.

I wasn't disagreeing with you. In fact I agree with what you said, I was just asking if there was a source out there with a direct quote of the source for further reference in future debates.
What did mommy tell us about assuming again?

why do i even bother...take it easy guys, later.

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Originally posted by albertoR why do i even bother...take it easy guys, later.

Wait, don't go? Why'd you leave?

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Originally posted by albertoR first of all, the Pope is God's representant on Earth according to some christians and catholics. Im sure that qualifies him as knowing more than anyone who picked up the bible. There have been more religious occurences since the time of the bible such as miracles, appereances. You will ask for proof no doubt but fuck you, find it yourself, your so good at it.

So let me get this straight. When Pope Pius XII maintained the public appearance of indifference and neutrality during the holocaust, and when he signed the papal concodat with Hitler in 1933, the Reichskonkordat, (which gave Hitler the political clout to pass the enabling act in exchange for the official adoption of catholicism by the nazi party), as God's representative on Earth, can we look at this as God's tacit approval of the Nazis? True, this was way before the holocaust, but being the omnipotent individual that God is, that action appears to have been quite short-sighted. But as they say, God works in mysterious ways.

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Originally posted by occrider So let me get this straight. When Pope Pius XII maintained the public appearance of indifference and neutrality during the holocaust, and when he signed the papal concodat with Hitler in 1933, the Reichskonkordat, (which gave Hitler the political clout to pass the enabling act in exchange for the official adoption of catholicism by the nazi party), as God's representative on Earth, can we look at this as God's tacit approval of the Nazis? True, this was way before the holocaust, but being the omnipotent individual that God is, that action appears to have been quite short-sighted. But as they say, God works in mysterious ways.

You left out a coupla centuries of torture, inquisition, prejudice, anti-science, anti-logic, anti-use-your-f$cking-brain support you silly boy!

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 You left out a coupla centuries of torture, inquisition, prejudice, anti-science, anti-logic, anti-use-your-f$cking-brain support you silly boy!

Well I figured that if I went too far back in time, I'd lose them.

Look at the other christian thread ... gone for one weekend and I lose out on so many opportunities to ridicule fundies . Seeing as how it expanded by 8 pages over the weekend, I'm have to wait until I get home to catch up and respond ... but by then 95% of the idiocy will have already have been pointed out. Woe is me ...

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Originally posted by occrider Well I figured that if I went too far back in time, I'd lose them. Look at the other christian thread ... gone for one weekend and I lose out on so many opportunities to ridicule fundies . Seeing as how it expanded by 8 pages over the weekend, I'm have to wait until I get home to catch up and respond ... but by then 95% of the idiocy will have already have been pointed out. Woe is me ...

Yeah, I had a peek last night around 9:00, and the darn thread grew 2 more pages after that! Truly amazing stuff being said. There's so many quotes worth keeping for later use - I started savin' a few just in case .

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Originally posted by occrider So let me get this straight. When Pope Pius XII maintained the public appearance of indifference and neutrality during the holocaust, and when he signed the papal concodat with Hitler in 1933, the Reichskonkordat, (which gave Hitler the political clout to pass the enabling act in exchange for the official adoption of catholicism by the nazi party), as God's representative on Earth, can we look at this as God's tacit approval of the Nazis? True, this was way before the holocaust, but being the omnipotent individual that God is, that action appears to have been quite short-sighted. But as they say, God works in mysterious ways.

Popes in past centuries have been very corrupt. John Paul II is a great exception from former Popes and in my opinion he has been a very good Pope, am i wrong?

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Originally posted by arctic Yes, but I was never talking about the movie. I'm assuming that your comment about the movie was made under the assumption that my reference to Mel was in regards to the portrayal of Jews in the film. If not, then I'm lost.

I was talking about the film, I don't really care who directed it. It's like saying Lord of the Rings was going to suck or be pro-zombie because Peter "Mr. LOL Dead Alive" Jackson directed it. Like I said in the other thread I thought Passion of Christ was boring, and don't really care for it. I saw nothing anti-semitic in the movie, even the part where the devil is next to the jews (which everyone is making a big deal about), as he was next to the romans and jesus followers as well.

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Originally posted by albertoR Popes in past centuries have been very corrupt. John Paul II is a great exception from former Popes and in my opinion he has been a very good Pope, am i wrong?

I believe you misunderstand his argument. In accordance to your quote:

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first of all, the Pope is God's representant on Earth according to some christians and catholics. Im sure that qualifies him as knowing more than anyone who picked up the bible.

This would by definition imply that every Pope since the beginnings of the Catholic Church were God's representant, as you put it.

Church history has shown, however, that the Pope's decisions were not exactly very Christian, nor would they seem very good representants of God's will. The persecution of the Jews is but one example (persecution of science and logic would be another).

So just because this Pope has made some better sound decisions doesn't allow the other Popes to come off scot free - if they are God's representant, then it follows that God has some prejudices and racism to answer to.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I believe you misunderstand his argument. In accordance to your quote: This would by definition imply that every Pope since the beginnings of the Catholic Church were God's representant, as you put it. Church history has shown, however, that the Pope's decisions were not exactly very Christian, nor would they seem very good representants of God's will. The persecution of the Jews is but one example (persecution of science and logic would be another). So just because this Pope has made some better sound decisions doesn't allow the other Popes to come off scot free - if they are God's representant, then it follows that God has some prejudices and racism to answer to.

Furthermore, it's a flawed argument because if one were to believe that past popes were succeptible to human errors, sins, and flaws (greed, envy, etc.) then at no point could you ever be certain that a current or future pope is exempt from similar human weaknesses. Yet somehow, organized religion manages to pull the wool over everyone's eyes with respects to this glaring logical error in belief.

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'Passion' Fan Spends Life Savings On Movie Tickets 'Access Hollywood' Hooks Gibson Up With Texas Man POSTED: 2:21 p.m. EST February 27, 2004 UPDATED: 2:42 p.m. EST February 27, 2004 The syndicated entertainment news show "Access Hollywood" put a surprised Mel Gibson on the phone with Arch Bonnema, the Plano, Texas, man who purchased 6,000 tickets at a price of $42,000 to Gibson's film, "The Passion of The Christ" so that fellow parishioners at his local Baptist church, theology students and other could see the film. Gibson, who had not yet heard about Bonnema's $42,000 ticket purchase, said it was "amazing" that someone would do something so selfless. The rest of the story and details of the conversation is available on the "Access Hollywood" Web site. Distributed by Internet Broadcasting Systems, Inc. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

What a loser! The guy paid the retail $7 a ticket for 6000 tickets (42000/6000=7), obviously this guy is no Jew.

I mean the guy could probably get a volume discount at the very least, and build his own little private cinema and buy the movie from the studio for that price at best.

What an idiot, he got screwed over big time!

Strange twist of AntiChrist fate!

Ha! I should have suspected ol' Beezlebub was behind it all!:

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Passion tickets bear 'mark of the beast' ROME, Georgia (AP) --Tickets at one movie theater screening Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" are being deemed decidedly unholy. The number 666, which many Christians recognize as the "mark of the beast," is appearing on movie tickets for Gibson's film at a Georgia theater, drawing complaints from some moviegoers. The machine that prints tickets assigned the number 666 as a prefix on all the tickets for the film, said Gary Smith, owner of the Movies at Berry Square in northwest Georgia. The 666 begins a series of numbers that are listed below the name of the movie, the date, time and price. "It's from our computer and it's absolutely a coincidence," Smith said. "It has nothing to do with the film company or any vendor. It's completely in our computer." In the Bible, the book of Revelation says 666 is the "number of the beast," usually interpreted as Satan or the Antichrist. Several patrons have made comments about the numbers, and one person who was uncomfortable having 666 on her ticket asked for a pass to be substituted for a ticket. "A lot of people have asked what the numbers mean, some said it seemed odd, some said it was inappropriate," said theater employee Erica Diaz. The movie, which opened Wednesday, is a bloody depiction of Christ's final hours and crucifixion. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03...n.ap/index.html

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Originally posted by Yoepus What a loser! The guy paid the retail $7 a ticket for 6000 tickets (42000/6000=7), obviously this guy is no Jew. I mean the guy could probably get a volume discount at the very least, and build his own little private cinema and buy the movie from the studio for that price at best. What an idiot, he got screwed over big time!

And once again, Darwin triumphs over religion.

/if it weren't for that damned welfare system

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Quote: I believe you misunderstand his argument. In accordance to your quote: first of all, THE Pope is God's representant on Earth according to some christians and catholics. Im sure that qualifies HIM as knowing more than anyone who picked up the bible. End Quote This would by definition imply that every Pope since the beginnings of the Catholic Church were God's representant, as you put it. Church history has shown, however, that the Pope's decisions were not exactly very Christian, nor would they seem very good representants of God's will. The persecution of the Jews is but one example (persecution of science and logic would be another). So just because this Pope has made some better sound decisions doesn't allow the other Popes to come off scot free - if they are God's representant, then it follows that God has some prejudices and racism to answer to.

Notice the words THE and HIM, i took the liberty of bolding them on my quote and capitalize them so they are clear. They are obviously refering to the current one as also the word "Pope" is singular instead of Popes which is the plural and therefore would include the former representatives.
Times have changed from the times you refer to as corrupt priests and popes. I believe since America was discovered, the Catholic church has less influence, power, and corruption. Due to the amount of protestant religions that were formed because of the Catholic's church corruption from earlier times.
In any case, im talking about how they showed the movie to John Paul II and HE said it was extremely accurate. I would believe the highest ranking representative of God would know how accurate the plot of "The Passion of the Christ" is. Then again, no one can be sure what is accurate if there is no proof other than the bible and the visions of religious sources.

Re: Strange twist of AntiChrist fate!

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Ha! I should have suspected ol' Beezlebub was behind it all!:

that mofo is behind everything that goes wrong

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