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Like teasing a coiled cobra, the fellas down at Takeout Marketing decided that the best way to promote Tiesto's new DVD was to send me a copy for a big, glorying review that they could use for....ummmm....press releases or something. Smooth move, guys. You get exactly what you deserve.

Lol this guy has no fucken clue whats so ever... how stupid was it to actually post this topic on a serious note?

He thinks concert was 3hrs long, says that Tiesto only does thirty seconds of actual DJing every five minutes or something like that... prolly also thinks that thats real mixing on the dvd (becuase they edited the 8hr concert set into 3hr dvd and did cuts into different songs sharply without mixing most of the time), thinks Tiesto just plays 2-3 tracks in the row (which aren't even in the row half the time, but obviously his ears are so stuffed up with his own shit he couldn't tell otherwise) and then stops for a live performance.

Sadly this tool thinks that whole "set has been carefully crafted together and planned beforehand", thinks that the live performers like Kane "lip-synch solemnly through their lyrics".

Then he goes on to give shit to the legendry Beatles, Rock in general and says that Dance music is becoming shit just like Rock.

What a tool...

Actually, i agree with everything he said basically.

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Originally posted by TiksA He thinks concert was 3hrs long, says that Tiesto only does thirty seconds of actual DJing every five minutes or something like that...

It only takes about that long to beatmatch. Then again, maybe Tiesto does take a bit more time for that...

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prolly also thinks that thats real mixing on the dvd (becuase they edited the 8hr concert set into 3hr dvd and did cuts into different songs sharply without mixing most of the time), thinks Tiesto just plays 2-3 tracks in the row (which aren't even in the row half the time, but obviously his ears are so stuffed up with his own shit he couldn't tell otherwise) and then stops for a live performance.

None of that is true, and indicates that you're making assumptions just to justify yourself. The only break in mixing that Ishkur ever cites is for the live performances, and he's correct about that.

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Sadly this tool thinks that whole "set has been carefully crafted together and planned beforehand"

Uh, it was. The very fact that there is a DVD indicates that it was planned out and crafted with commerical intents. I think you could pretty much ask Tiesto and get the same answer.

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Then he goes on to give shit to the legendry Beatles, Rock in general and says that Dance music is becoming shit just like Rock.

And he's incorrect where? All I see is you taking his comments wildly out of context, as if you simply skimmed with an assumption of what was being written already in mind.

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What a tool...

I find this a supremely ironic comment.

Is it really that difficult for people to use their minds just a tiny bit before smashing out words on a keyboard? Sheesh.

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Originally posted by Cobalt It only takes about that long to beatmatch. Then again, maybe Tiesto does take a bit more time for that...

If it takes that long to beatmatch, then i think that explains his mixing skills

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Originally posted by Cobalt It only takes about that long to beatmatch. Then again, maybe Tiesto does take a bit more time for that... None of that is true, and indicates that you're making assumptions just to justify yourself. The only break in mixing that Ishkur ever cites is for the live performances, and he's correct about that. Uh, it was. The very fact that there is a DVD indicates that it was planned out and crafted with commerical intents. I think you could pretty much ask Tiesto and get the same answer. And he's incorrect where? All I see is you taking his comments wildly out of context, as if you simply skimmed with an assumption of what was being written already in mind. I find this a supremely ironic comment. Is it really that difficult for people to use their minds just a tiny bit before smashing out words on a keyboard? Sheesh.

*insert owned image*

but taking your last sentance. if you read the part about tiesto immense power over people, well it is shown in this thread really... hehe

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Probably the most insulting moment of the intermissions, however, is the Africa sideshow. It features a real band playing real instruments, with drums, congas, bass guitars and soul singers, reflecting the earthy, organic tribal atmosphere of African culture, but half of the sound is completely killed off. Next to the booming trance music of Tiesto, with its mammoth subs and surround sound systems, the Africa performance sounds positively lame. I'm not sure if that's a deliberate affront to the band or not, but it seems as if the concert organizers want to make the statement that live music can't sound as good as pre-recorded music. Or maybe they do not want actual musicians outshining Tiesto in his element. At any rate, the way the levels are set forced me to turn up the volume in order to hear the band. Is this a DVD flaw, or is Tiesto the only thing that matters here?

I loved that bit!

I don't want to join in on your argument about whether Tiesto is good or he sucks, but i thought that the Africa intermission and then the following songs sounded awesome.

Anyone agree with me?

hmmm

yes the dvd was an abomination, but let us not forget what the man has done for us. so what, he sold out the scene and it is a tragedy, but it was bound to happen, but the music that he has made definately made my life better and lots of other people too. so dont include the dvd as one of your favs. just appreciate he goodness he had given us before his fall.

Sigh, dont u guys have anything better to do. It was a great party and the people who were there had the time of their lives. What else matters.

i bought the dvd to see mavie marcos

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Originally posted by Cobalt It only takes about that long to beatmatch.

Just to beatmatch yeah, but since when was mixing all about beatmatching?

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Uh, it was. The very fact that there is a DVD indicates that it was planned out and crafted with commerical intents. I think you could pretty much ask Tiesto and get the same answer.

Of course it was crafted and planned out with commercial intents, every event is. That's not the point. The point was that Ishkur obviously hasn't done his research since a) all the live PAs were NOT lip-synched (which we got horrendously aware of after Andain's PA and like mentioned after Dinand Westerhoeff) and b) the actual set Tiesto mixed was not planned according to the DVD, since the actual tracks and structure of a set always depend on the crowd you are playing for.

The rest of Ishkur's article is pretty much another slew of opinions and assumptions in order to piss people off and display more hatred for trance, which he manages just fine. I do however agree on the fact that TiC is the definite evidence of Tiesto's popstar status and how he ruthlessly exploits it for money, while his DJing efforts and artistic integrity is left to suffer for it.

but in fairness, i have to say that i agree with the review. When i first wacthed the dvd i was skipping the scenes to listen the different tracks for the most of the time. Watching 3 hours of crowd raving and tiesto's face isn't much fun, it's boring.

you know for damn sure he doesnt like dj tiesto. the thing i want to know, why the hell did he buy the dvd lol.. and the the live performances were lip sync? fkin right. lsiten agian

We don't need another Tiesto vs. the world thread. Ok so ur saying that the concert sucked and that the tracklist was completely planned in order?

Right mate.... *rolls eyes*

This guy can say all he wants but he wasn't there. If he can't feel the atmopshere himself he shouldn't tell others its shit as well and let them decide on their own. I wish I was there, but watching the DVD I get goosebumps. I just wonder how great the whole thing must of been...

And I wouldn't just go to the concert for the music. I can have that at any party/club to dance or just at home to listen, but I would go to see Tiesto (or any other big DJ) spin these tracks.

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It was a great party and the people who were there had the time of their lives. What else matters.

Ohh, owned me on the forums so bad man... now you can tell your friends at school tommorrow.

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Originally posted by aeonik yes the dvd was an abomination, but let us not forget what the man has done for us. so what, he sold out the scene and it is a tragedy, but it was bound to happen, but the music that he has made definately made my life better and lots of other people too. so dont include the dvd as one of your favs. just appreciate he goodness he had given us before his fall.

Oh, sure. This is just bashing his commerical DJ career. I still think Tiesto is an excellent producer who has brought trance a long way through his tracks.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Sigh, dont u guys have anything better to do. It was a great party and the people who were there had the time of their lives. What else matters.

Yeah, I have better things to do. But I don't want a bunch of people blindly worshipping a DJ to become the culture of the music I love. Trance isn't about that.

This isn't about the party experience. I don't really care if people had a great time. People have great times at Britney Spears concerts. This is about the shameless perversion of the music important to me into a profitable rock-star idolatry.

Trance is about the journey and the experience, not who's spinning the records, though the two may correlate. I like certain DJs, but only because they craft that experience well; it's never just about the DJ, and shouldn't be. That loses the very essence of this music. Tiesto In Concert, in concept, flew in the face of trance itself.

Is it really that difficult to understand? Oh, Christ, why do I bother. Go listen to A State of Trance or something.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Just to beatmatch yeah, but since when was mixing all about beatmatching?

pretty damn important when your playing trance if you ask me.

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Originally posted by Ste pretty damn important when your playing trance if you ask me.

What does that have to do with anything? (This isn't a debate about Tiesto's mixing skills just to clear that up)

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper What does that have to do with anything? (This isn't a debate about Tiesto's mixing skills just to clear that up)

you said since when was it all about beatmatching, its pretty much al about about beatmatching, if you cant beatmatch the mix is shit. simple as. unless you meant something else>

He's a good dj , he's a good businesman. He has a great career that he can feed himself. End of story.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Just to beatmatch yeah, but since when was mixing all about beatmatching?

And what exactly did Tiesto do other than that?

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Of course it was crafted and planned out with commercial intents, every event is. That's not the point.

Right, it's not. The point is that it was called (and ruthlessly marketed) as "Tiesto In Concert." Tiesto Tiesto Tiesto. More shots of Tiesto. Screw the set or the flow. It's Tiesto.

That's not trance. That's worship.

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The point was that Ishkur obviously hasn't done his research since a) all the live PAs were NOT lip-synched (which we got horrendously aware of after Andain's PA and like mentioned after Dinand Westerhoeff)

This is true. But I never claimed to agree to that, and it doesn't change the central points he is making.

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Originally posted by Ste you said since when was it all about beatmatching, its pretty much al about about beatmatching, if you cant beatmatch the mix is shit. simple as

That's true, but if you can beatmatch but know fuck all about structuring and record selection, it wil also be shit. So you see, mixing is not all about beatmatching.

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Originally posted by Cobalt And what exactly did Tiesto do other than that?

Actually, his structuring was better than his beatmatching that evening (even though both of them were sub-par as usual )

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Right, it's not. The point is that it was called (and ruthlessly marketed) as "Tiesto In Concert." Tiesto Tiesto Tiesto. More shots of Tiesto. Screw the set or the flow. It's Tiesto. That's not trance. That's worship.

That I agree with.

Well, well, well. I was on the 10th of May last year at this damn concert. You had to be there to feel the good vibe all around there. That's it !

The crowd went crazy on Kane because most of the crowd loves old eurotrance (alice deejay...), loves rock'n'roll (a la robbie williams) and loves of course trance music... there was no difference between a robbie williams show and that part of the 'concert'.

Yes, I find the DVD fucking boring, but I find it interesting because it's like a souvenir of what was possible in year 2003. Who knows how will turn out dance music ?

Consider the DVD as what it is: a commercial piece of shit. And not as the 6.1 Dolby Surround THX 16:9 Extended Director's Cut of The Lord of the Rings. It's certainly not a masterpiece, as I said, it's more a piece of commercial shit.

Hehehe... remembers me of Hulk the movie

- and yes, internet changed forever my perception of dance music. Nowawadays, I'm all into house, until the day I'll be skilled and bored again

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper That's true, but if you can beatmatch but know fuck all about structuring and record selection, it wil also be shit. So you see, mixing is not all about beatmatching.

i dunno, apart from cueing, you can stick any tunes together and they will still mix as such, it mgith sound mixing techno with prog trance but you can still mix it as such.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Yeah, I have better things to do.

No you don't coz you keep coming back to reply.

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Originally posted by Cobalt But I don't want a bunch of people blindly worshipping a DJ to become the culture of the music I love. Trance isn't about that.

I will worship whoever I want, youre not me and I'm not you. Some people worship Jesus, others worship money and some people don't worship anything. I'm a Tiesto fan, sue me!

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Originally posted by Cobalt This isn't about the party experience. I don't really care if people had a great time.

I think you prolly never been to a club or a dance party. You sit on the hub all day downloading, listening to ASOT and you call tracks like Traffic shit coz your a cool mp3 kid!

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Originally posted by Cobalt This is about the shameless perversion of the music important to me into a profitable rock-star idolatry.

So what? Some people wanna look upto someone else for insapration. WHo are you to judge them? Trance-God?

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Originally posted by Cobalt Trance is about the journey and the experience, not who's spinning the records

No its not. Trance is about hat you make it to be for yourself. Music is what you make it to be and how you understand it, not what someone tells you.

Every person has a different taste and might not like something and enoy something else. Thats why I said that guy was a tool, coz he was selling his opinions to others, saying that they shouldn't even bother watching it.

I got friends @ uni who wouldn't go anywhere near dance music and they fucken love TiC DVD, they won't give it back!

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Originally posted by Ste i dunno, apart from cueing, you can stick any tunes together and they will still mix as such, it mgith sound mixing techno with prog trance but you can still mix it as such.

You can also mix by just slamming faders. As long as you play the right tunes you can "get away" with crappy beatmatching just like you can "get away" with a seriously ill-structured set. That does not change the fact that if you are clueless on either end, your set will suck end of. It might not be as in your face as galloping beats etc., but it will still be shit.

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