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Originally posted by sot i have to agree with mr sleek here. the girl to guy ratio at trance related or even edm related events is just terrible. What i think the problem is, i ask alot of girls i know this question and get the same answer everytime. me: "why dont you girls goto clubs" girls i know: "because everytime we go, we feel like were getting violated by all the guys touching my ass or making me dance witht hem and we dont like that" basically, they stereo type all clubs into being like that which is why you more often or not see more guys then girls at these events. sure they're exceptions to this, but this is definitely one reason why we see more guys then girls at these events.

you can't forget the fact that half the girls here on long island listen to other music (rap, hip-hop, r&b, pop shit). Atleast my friends do. I can never get them to come to any clubs with me because they don't enjoy the music that I enjoy. my friends go to grimey clubs that play shit music and have guys who will come right behind you and stick their wang against your ass. maybe your friends think thats what every club is like. i find that going to clubs that play our kind of music have much more classier people there. i also think that the majority of people who enjoy trance or other edm are guys, it just seems that way. atleast in nyc.

i have to admitt though, it was really pathetic when about 10 guys piled on one of the platforms in the back of roxy at pvd last friday. they all had their shirts off and were doing fist pumps and shit, it was sooooo bad. i can see how that'd turn guys off.

DanAX: If you want only good DJs and good clubs, that's fine with me too. . .

but don't get on my case when I say I like something more - while it may be fine for you to chill with a bunch of dudes, its just not my definition of a good time.

I was introduced to trance at a time when the scene had more weight behind it - I went to some events I will never forget as long as I live. When I go to see a trance DJ in NYC, I want to get those feelings again.

And Busy Child: We are in total agreement. May explain why I haven't been overly excited about ANY trance event for quite some time.

Again, back to the original point: the trance scene in NYC is weak. The lack of girls hilights this painfully obvious fact, as a lack of women at a DANCE event is generally a bad thing. If anything is to serve to change this, I believe it would start here, with the fans.

Peace,
Slick

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Originally posted by DanAX I go to PVD to support him and enjoy his tracks by seeing him playing it. If you wanna see more chicks go to a freaking Hip-Hop party, I am sure you gonna see a lot of girls over there... Respect the Muzik, Respect the DJ.

DJs are juke boxes
some are better juke boxes than others
lets not forget that the music is super important part to the party, but you must look at the whole picture.

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Originally posted by DanAX That's true in EXIT, ROXY, AVALON, not ARC... Like I said there are people go to club for good muzik, and there are people go to club for gals...

most girls i know dont wanna go to clubs just for GOOD MUSIC.
they wanna go to have a good time, and Music is one aspect of having a good time.

i think there would be more girls at a gabriel and dresden event, you got to appeal to the masses. Guys are good with searching for music and stuff on the internet and not many girls are into that, they have other things to worry about(not all). Its cool for a guy to be a dj but i dont see that many girl djs so if there are more female djs i think things could also change in the female/male ratio you see in the crowd

Things will change when EDM goes a bit more mainstream,but instead of bitching about it try to get more girls into the scence and into the clubs

Didnt we have a thread about this already?

Hmmmm If you want girls bring your own. My crew to PVD was 3 guys & 4 girls.

My part = done.

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Originally posted by Trance@CU Hmmmm If you want girls bring your own. My crew to PVD was 3 guys & 4 girls. My part = done.

What kind of a date is going to a dirty club with loud, jumpy music? I used to always bring a girl with me, but end result ====> a) I'd arrive late b/c the date spent too much time getting ready b) I'd have to babysit the date and watch out for all the creeps trying to get their bone-on, like me c) I'd have to leave early b/c the date got tired. All jokes aside, I do go for the music. When I pay to see that DJ I want to hear all that I can, but hell if I'm going to dance while pressed up against a bunch of sweaty guys. I'm not looking to find a wife at the party, but a decent guy/girl ratio shouldn't be too much to ask for, should it?

I agree, everytime i go to a club, pure sausage fest. I like to dance and look at girls not dudes with no shirts think'n they look all pretty n stuff. I need friends(girls) to begin with so i can try to get them to come to these shows.

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Originally posted by EliPsE I agree, everytime i go to a club, pure sausage fest. I like to dance and look at girls not dudes with no shirts think'n they look all pretty n stuff. I need friends(girls) to begin with so i can try to get them to come to these shows.

Sausage fest?

ROFLMAO

I see you all are very passionate about Trance. And that is why I hate to tell you this but. NYC is NOT conducive to the Trance scene. I�m not sure it ever will.


What makes a good event is the crowd. Those of you attending Ultra this year will see the difference. Do what I did. Move.
www.ultramusicfestival.us

If you�re not going to move, then consider the possibility that the Trance Scene in NY is better off underground.

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Originally posted by galdamez What kind of a date is going to a dirty club with loud, jumpy music? I used to always bring a girl with me, but end result ====> a) I'd arrive late b/c the date spent too much time getting ready b) I'd have to babysit the date and watch out for all the creeps trying to get their bone-on, like me c) I'd have to leave early b/c the date got tired. All jokes aside, I do go for the music. When I pay to see that DJ I want to hear all that I can, but hell if I'm going to dance while pressed up against a bunch of sweaty guys. I'm not looking to find a wife at the party, but a decent guy/girl ratio shouldn't be too much to ask for, should it?

Date? You need not 'DATE' girs you go clubbing with. In fact, that allows you the freedom to bring more along.

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el.maestro: I see you all are very passionate about Trance. And that is why I hate to tell you this but. NYC is NOT conducive to the Trance scene. I�m not sure it ever will.

No shit.

That is what this whole thread was about, although people seem to have wandered off the topic a bit. The issue goes beyond girls, it's more about the overall quality of the event, the "experience" of an event.

Plus, while Fla and the Miami area may have a good scene, lots of New Yorkers (like me) are very loyal to their hometown; its my view that since NYC rocks so much (which it does, providing they don't kill the remnants of its nightlife industry), that it deserves to have trance properly represented in its clubs. New Yorkers have been dreaming of a true trance scene for years. Whether that's going to happen or not is really up in the air, in my humble opinion.

Plain facts dictate that NYC does in deed suck for trance in terms of events. They simply don't compare to trance events held elsewhere; not saying you can't have a good time at them (I ususally do), but it sorta sucks after a while, walking away from event after event thinking "Sure, the music was kickin', but the whole thing could have been better." I was hoping this thread could offer some suggestions on how to change all that, this being a discussion board.

I'm not sure trance will ever find a true home in NYC either. One thing is for sure - if it keeps staying as "underground" as it is now, it will never rise above its current sausage-fest stigma.

Peace,
Slick

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Originally posted by Mr_Slick No shit. That is what this whole thread was about, although people seem to have wandered off the topic a bit. The issue goes beyond girls, it's more about the overall quality of the event, the "experience" of an event. Plus, while Fla and the Miami area may have a good scene, lots of New Yorkers (like me) are very loyal to their hometown; its my view that since NYC rocks so much (which it does, providing they don't kill the remnants of its nightlife industry), that it deserves to have trance properly represented in its clubs. New Yorkers have been dreaming of a true trance scene for years. Whether that's going to happen or not is really up in the air, in my humble opinion. Plain facts dictate that NYC does in deed suck for trance in terms of events. They simply don't compare to trance events held elsewhere; not saying you can't have a good time at them (I ususally do), but it sorta sucks after a while, walking away from event after event thinking "Sure, the music was kickin', but the whole thing could have been better." I was hoping this thread could offer some suggestions on how to change all that, this being a discussion board. I'm not sure trance will ever find a true home in NYC either. One thing is for sure - if it keeps staying as "underground" as it is now, it will never rise above its current sausage-fest stigma. Peace, Slick

JA suggest something then. u're the one that brought it up but u haven't added your own ideas to the discussion. why don't u tell us what u want to see happen and how u'd go about it?

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JA suggest something then. u're the one that brought it up but u haven't added your own ideas to the discussion. why don't u tell us what u want to see happen?

No prob. I was wanting to hear from others first, but since we are on page three already, here's another .02:

I believe the easiest way to discuss this would be from a weekly point of view; this thread has focused on the overall quality of the trance event, so. . .

If God Himself descended from the Heavens and said: "I giveth thee a NYC weekly trance party in a decent Manhattan club", I would immediately institute the following guidelines:

1) Ladies free: Very important. A good point that people here have brought up is that guys are more into music than girls (true) and are often brought into music events by said guys. Fine. Now that you don't have to pay for them, all the mack daddies here who say "I go for the music and I am too busy with girls / I had a harem of them with me at PVD" have no excuse not to bring them with you. No need to get cheesey with the drink specials unless the door is really hurting.

2) Hire good local DJs: As openers if anything; can't rely solely on big-name talent as it is both expensive and rare here in NYC

3) Mix up the music: Before I get shot, I am not proposing a hip-hop/house DJ combo; I was thinking more along the lines of some progressive (of the non-druggy variety) and breaks, which tend to go nicely with trance. This will help to slowly indoctrinate the non-tranceheads who may attend, as they will stick around for the music they dig more, and be invariably exposed to trance as the night goes on

4) Don't go overboard with VIP: Anyone who has gotten VIP during an event can tell you its great, but too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Keep things level to ensure the crowd mixes at the bar.

5) Make sure I know some of the DJs on at least a professional level: Personally, I'd encourage them to actually mingle with the people they are playing for; it wouldn't kill them to say hello to a few peeps who dug their set on the way to the bar

6) Create a moderate door policy that is consistently enforced by reasonably courteous bouncers: Keep the bouncers/line strict enough to weed out amatuers, druggies, troublemakers, but approachable enough to encourage others to come back. If the party was going to be 21+, a dress code would be enforced; not suffocating enough to outlaw sneakers, but strict enough to keep big pants and day-glo outside.

7) Hear what the crowd wants: As a party-organizer, pay attention to which DJs are drawing the most props from the crowd; try to book them more often, and if they are getting similar props in the rest of the trance world, book them as often as you can. Try to snag up and comers at all costs. This measure would serve to build a devoted following for both the event and the club, which profits the club owner, who permits the party to continue.

If trance events had some of these conditions, maybe we would have more choices than a sold-to-capacity Roxy to go to. Again, this post is from a WEEKLY perspective, with the goal being the keep the party profitable so it can continue, therefore building the local scene.

Thoughts? How would you do it differently?

Peace,
Slick

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Originally posted by el.maestro Date? You need not 'DATE' girs you go clubbing with. In fact, that allows you the freedom to bring more along.

Date or no date, if I have to bring this person in my car then chances are I'm going to see problems a, b and c as listed above. If I knew a girl or group of girls that could get ready on time, come enjoy the music and stay as long as possible, believe me I'd be all for it (even if it was just a friendly acquaintance or two).

Roxy isn't the only option...

It's very difficult to do a weekly trance event in NYC (maybe Avalon is the closest thing)because of all the options and competition. It gives more reason for ppl to wanna go to different places, and not the same place every week.
And in terms of pulling in ppl, it that seems that often a big house DJ will win out over a trance DJ that is just as good but just not as well known, even for many TA's (but I could be wrong)

There's plenty of trance events in the upcoming weeks, some even competing with each other. Check the Party Planner thread.

Be glad for all the talent that comes into NYC
The clubs aren't perfect, but having them and the DJ's there at all is very good for a start.
Just come and enjoy the music. If you don't like the crowd, bring your own. Or just drink more or keep your eyes closed or something.
Support them so that they continue to come in and come back, and so that there's even a chance to improve on the issues you've mentioned.
Also support the smaller events (like TFST, Prognosis, Future Progression, to name a few), most of which are put on by TA's here. Then maybe they might have a chance to build up into something bigger.
Or do your own event, so that there can be something with everything you want.

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Also support the smaller events (like TFST, Prognosis, Future Progression, to name a few), most of which are put on by TA's here.

Well said - I'll have to check these events out.

If trance is to grow in NYC, then it would start at weeklies like this. I look forward to seeing what DJs they are bringing in.

Peace,
Slick

Finally someone has seen the light! I don�t get why you guys (danax, etc) are flaming slick for wanting more girls at parties...stop being such sausages. It�s given we all love the music, so why not have more girls around at trance events? If all you're looking for is a "music event", stay home and listen to your mp3 collection. The music will always be there, so why not make the atmosphere better? Would you rather find yourself dancing amongst chicks or amongst a plethora of sweaty sausages? Slick: The points you outlined are pretty much dead on. It will take time, but it is in the works..trust me
-popo

Seriously, what's this thread about?
"The Sorry State of Trance in over beloved NYC"
or
"no girls in trance party"?

I would agree with Slick if he post it as second topic....

DanAX: If you read the thread up until this point, you can see its really about both; I mentioned the lack of girls to try to put the scene's nightlife problems into perspective (because in NYC, a club scene without a sufficient amount of girls is not a usually financial success. No financial success = no foundation to build a bigger scene upon).

Wallflower kindly mentioned the names of some weeklies, some of which are thrown by TAers, which I will have to check out. Anyone wanna plug those parties? Which one has the best music? Best promoters? Best crowd?

Popolino: Thanks a lot man - if things are in the works, rest assured the faithful will keep a light in the window.

To quote an OLD song (and if anyone knows THIS quote, I'll have to give them a prize):

"If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line."

Peace,
Slick

Well, Slick...I just got carried over when you say "The sorry state of Trance"... It's all good...

I just think don't like to put TRANCE and GIRLS together, simply because they don't go together. I mean really, there is really nothing much we can do about it.

Speaking of weeklies,

D.A.R.K. is presenting
TRANCEOLOGY - The Journey at Club Seho
check out www.dark-nyc.com for more info,
only thing is there is a Hip-Hop party on the second floor to attract more ladies.

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Originally posted by Mr_Slick Wallflower kindly mentioned the names of some weeklies, some of which are thrown by TAers, which I will have to check out. Anyone wanna plug those parties? Which one has the best music? Best promoters? Best crowd?

They are usually monthly events. You'll see info on this board when there's something upcoming.
There's no point comparing them, as they don't compete with each other. They're all good. Just go check them out.
Search this forum, and you'll see many positive review about them.

btw, going back to your original post, u can't judge the whole scene based on one single night.
what other trance clubs/events have you been to ?

I'm a girl and I come to trance events for the music... And I'll pay just as much as any guy will!

What happened to me at PVD @ Roxy:
Weird guy comes up to me: "Hey, what price? You buy? You come?"
Me: "Huh? What? What are you selling?"
Guy: "No, you come with me. You come and I give you money!" He whips out hundred dollar bills.
Me: "I AIN'T NO PROSTITUTE!"
Guy: Blank stare. "You come?"

Slick: Megadeth lyrics. Good old gods of metal...

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Originally posted by galdamez Date or no date, if I have to bring this person in my car then chances are I'm going to see problems a, b and c as listed above. If I knew a girl or group of girls that could get ready on time, come enjoy the music and stay as long as possible, believe me I'd be all for it (even if it was just a friendly acquaintance or two).

Believe me. I know how it is up there. But if there's ome thing I've learned is that if you're looking for something, you will find it. Ideally, you'll wan't 2-3 girls that are bi. This means you might have to go outside of your normal comfort zone and go to places you may not have considered going to. I refuse to belive one of th most densely populated cities on the planet does not have an inventory of good party girls to hang out with. Think about it.

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss I'm a girl and I come to trance events for the music... And I'll pay just as much as any guy will!

Some dudes at these events can be mad weird. I don't blame girls for not wanting to come to an EDM event when you got bozos like that walking around.

If possible, bring friends.

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Originally posted by el.maestro Believe me. I know how it is up there. But if there's ome thing I've learned is that if you're looking for something, you will find it.

You're right. There's plenty of party girls in the MD area. Being a University of MD student with 30,000 students on campus there's got to be at least a handful of girls that'd want to go to a Trance event, right? Wrong. We got an EDM club on campus that has events regularly ----> complete SAUSAGE CARNIVALS

I think the only girl on campus who is into Trance is TranceEyes22!

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