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ya DJ_Kreing, me and you see these attitudes adds oddly similar (to ones we hold), and oddly hypocritical (to ones they typically hold) in regards to the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

Kurds in Syria right now look vividly similar to Palestinians in the territories ala 1970s.

You guys better bring in the tanks quick, if you dare leave them there for another 30 years the world will actually think they have 'legitimacy'

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Originally posted by Deejiuana 1-Where's the occupation? they claim this land to be Kurdistan? well, fuck that. People cant just come up with a country like this. 2-Massacre? What Massacre? When people bring down statues, burn pictures, vandalize a city, break things, burn down cars and chant against the president in a tightly secured country, the police's responce IS NOT A MASSACRE.

I agree

Oh wait you were talking about Kurds not Palestinians.. my bad

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Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^ Why wont Israel just kick the Palestinians back to jordan then? They are terrorizing Israel and using vandalism as well... The Palestinians like the Kurds in Syria are claiming there is an occupation, you cant just say its all bullshit. Im sure there is some truth in their sayings.

Because you formed a country out of the blue on palestinian land.

Syria was there with SYRIANS for centuries. Syrians are the Indigenous population of Syria, Palestinians are the Indigenous population of where Israel stands now....Not eastern Euro[ean/Russian Ashkanazi's that are infesting that land and claiming it as theirs becuase their ancestors lived there during biblical times

I knew it...I knew it...

Ok, i knew this was gonna be compared to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
But anyway, just a few things and then we'll close this topic and go back to Kurdish-Syrian conflict.

Cyrus King:

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Because you formed a country out of the blue on palestinian land. Syria was there with SYRIANS for centuries. Syrians are the Indigenous population of Syria, Palestinians are the Indigenous population of where Israel stands now....

That's true. Syrians were always there, and the Kurds that are legal in Syria have no problem with being in Syria. Palestinians are doing what they're doing because the State of Israel was created like 50-60 years ago.
U have to be able to see the difference between these two issues. Because there is one! and it's crystal clear.
One other thing:
the 200,000 Kurds who do not have legal papers and legal Syrian rights in Syria, well, Syria accepting those Kurds in and let them stay in Syria because they were escaping Saddam's terror. Yet, it's those 200,000 kurds that have started somehow what has happened. Well, we let u in, but dont go around fuckin it!
Anyway, long long long topic, and once again: BIG difference between the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and Kurdish-Syrian conflict.


DJ_Kreing, do you have an idea about the Qamishly? a city in Northern Syria which is now seein more and more kurds everyday?
No offence but i dont think you know. Qamishly is where my parents came from. Back in the days, this small city was only inhabited by Christians and Muslims (around 50-50%). A few years later, Kurds started coming in because they were escaping or because this city lies within their "imaginary Kurdistan". Because they moved in so wildly, a lot of christians and muslims (especially Christians) escaped. Because a lot of Christians escaped and wanted to move their papers, formalities and all other gov't documents, the GOV'T refused to move their papers. Why? So that the Kurds dont fully occupy the city and call THEI OWN city. This is the case with my family and a lot of other chrisitian/muslim families. Qamishly before = Paradise. Qamishly now = Crap. Now to answer your question or statement: Do you, in any way, see this as an occupation? I see it more like a Kurdish occupation.

P.S: they claim Kurdistan to be part of Syria, Turkey and Iraq. Go to fkn Turkey and do ur shit there! Or go to Iraq since the country changed!

Anyway, let's go back to the Syrian-Kurdish conflict. The problems now reached my home city - Aleppo! so far, 36 kurds have been killed. a lot arrested and i hope the military comes in and doesnt let it stay a syrian vs kurds problem but a militay vs kurds thing!

Re: I knew it...I knew it...

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Originally posted by Deejiuana Ok, i knew this was gonna be compared to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But anyway, just a few things and then we'll close this topic and go back to Kurdish-Syrian conflict.

Hehe, every thread gets compared ot Israel/Palestine. It's half the fun finding new way to compare mundane things to the conflict.. this case was much easier though

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That's true. Syrians were always there, and the Kurds that are legal in Syria have no problem with being in Syria. Palestinians are doing what they're doing because the State of Israel was created like 50-60 years ago.

Again, its how you wish to read it. Palestinian Arabs that are legal in Israel have no problem with being in Syria. Jews were always in Israel. Kurds are doing what they are doing because the state of Syria was created like 60-70 years ago.

Kurds never had a nation. Palestinians never had a nation.
More Palestinians moved to Israel after the Jews arrived, more Kurds moved to Syria after it was a nation. More Palestinians came to Israel when they were being slaughtered in the neighboring countries such as Jordan and Lebanon.
More Kurds came to Syria after they were being slaughtered in the neighboring countries such as Iraq and Turkey.

Why should Israel have to suffer for the incapabilites of the Lebanese and Jordanian government?! The Palestinans should have stayed there.

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U have to be able to see the difference between these two issues. Because there is one! and it's crystal clear.

Of course there is a difference between these two issues. But you have to be able to see the similarities between them. Because there are many, and they are crystal clear.

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Anyway, long long long topic, and once again: BIG difference between the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and Kurdish-Syrian conflict.

I'll admit there are difference, but not a very BIG difference. The only BIG difference I can see is the timeframe. The Palestinian claim is 'legitimate' because we've been hearing it for 30 years, the Kurdish claim isn't 'legit' because we've only been hearing it for the last 10.

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DJ_Kreing, do you have an idea about the Qamishly?

Ever heard of Jericho?

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Do you, in any way, see this as an occupation? I see it more like a Kurdish occupation.

I didn't see Israel as an occupier in the territories either back in the 70s. Didn't seem to stop the Palestinians from believing in one.

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P.S: they claim Kurdistan to be part of Syria, Turkey and Iraq. Go to fkn Turkey and do ur shit there! Or go to Iraq since the country changed!

P.S. The Palestinians claim Palestine to be part of Israel, Jordan, and Egypt. Go back to Jordan and Lebanon!

Ok I'll stop
I hope this doesn't become a habit for me.. I really hate parroting.

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Anyway, let's go back to the Syrian-Kurdish conflict. The problems now reached my home city - Aleppo! so far, 36 kurds have been killed. a lot arrested and i hope the military comes in and doesnt let it stay a syrian vs kurds problem but a militay vs kurds thing!

Ok lets go back. Thats horrible. You realize (eck I'm doing it again!..) what I'd would be like if Israel would have killed 36 Palestinians? Global outcries! panic! and pandemonium! Masscare they would say!
If Israel were to kill hundreds as Syria is likely to have done, or do soon to the Kurds, nations around the world would be pressing quickly for stiff sanctions against Israel.

If you feel the way you do about this issue, just be happy the international community doesn't seem to give a shit in this case.

...and white americans were always in america!

yoepus stop the hipocrisy man...

both the palestinians (philistines) and the Kurds had their nations at some point or the other in history.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek yoepus stop the hipocrisy man... both the palestinians (philistines) and the Kurds had their nations at some point or the other in history.

first of all philistines are NOT palestinians lol,
philistines came from the sea to israel,
palestinians came from arab countiries....

Tell you the truth, i read the thread and i think all of you are sercastic, and i hope you are too ahlamalek.... but i guess not.

Youpus gave you (Deejiuana and other funny people) great answers for your empty arguments.
just read it again....
or you all are laughing and i dont get it

and where are the philistines now ????

they just vanished in thin air??

or they converted to judaism and or aramaic languages and or hebrew?

then later converted to islam and arabic for the most part??

we're talking 700 before christ here, 2700 years ago, thats a looooong time.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek and where are the philistines now ???? they just vanished in thin air??

Excatly the philistines are dead! +90% of all historical societies are don't exist. The Egyptians under the pharoahs are NOT the same people, ethnically as the Arabs that live there today. The great Roman people who lived in Italy are not the Italians that live there today. The people in Iraq are not the ancient Babylonian people, and neither are the Persians the direct decendants of the great Persian Emprie.

People interbreed a lot, and ethnicities don't last long.
The more successful usually an Empire (such as Persia, Babylon, etc) the quikcer the interbreeding due to expansion and trade.

Judiasm is fairly is fairly ethnicially consistant when compared to other ethnicities. This is because one of its tenants of Judiasm is that you can not intermarriage, and since they have been persecuted for milenia, joining their sect wasn't a popular thing to do. Jews also, unlike most other world religions don't preach to convert non-Jew's to their ways of belief.

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or they converted to judaism and or aramaic languages and or hebrew? then later converted to islam and arabic for the most part?? we're talking 700 before christ here, 2700 years ago, thats a looooong time.

But saying this, we can say, they might as well all converted to Judiasm, not a soul converted to Islam. We can never know if this is fact or fiction, you can never prove me wrong in this case, just as I can't in your case. So lets not dwell into myths here.

Also, if I recall my bible correctly, the Philisitines were defeated by the Jews and were either slaughtered or disperesed away from the Kingdom of Israel after losing their wars.

So trying to connect a defeated enemy that disappeared 2700 years ago to a people obviously with no ethnic or religious connection to that people well, thats just plan silly.

And if you intend on parroting this post, let me spare you. The Jewish people have preserved their identity and culture for millenia, regarldless of any ethnic confusion one might want to attribute to them. The Jews have always been the Jews, although often defeated, they have always preserved their identitiy and often even when faced with death refused to give up that identity.

sigh...

woot, am a funny person! yay!
I never knew that talking about something that is happening was funny.

And the funnier thing is that our arguments are empty..lol...ok...

Anyway, kinda stupid to continue the talks about the Syrian - Kurdish conflict cuz some ppl just wanna compare the situation to the palestinian-israeli conflict. Whether it's similar or not, this wasnt the point...

Am funny and the arguments i made are empty...yay...if sayin this pleases u n lets u jump around in circles happily, then good 4 u, but hey, when a subject is opened, stick 2 it at least...
peace out...

Re: sigh...

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Originally posted by Deejiuana woot, am a funny person! yay! I never knew that talking about something that is happening was funny. And the funnier thing is that our arguments are empty..lol...ok... Anyway, kinda stupid to continue the talks about the Syrian - Kurdish conflict cuz some ppl just wanna compare the situation to the palestinian-israeli conflict. Whether it's similar or not, this wasnt the point... Am funny and the arguments i made are empty...yay...if sayin this pleases u n lets u jump around in circles happily, then good 4 u, but hey, when a subject is opened, stick 2 it at least... peace out...

look were just shocked that the same people who are arguning in one very similar conflict a humanitarian, global, peaceful approach, are in the other conflict arguing a brutal, oppressive, adn violent approach.

This obviously comes to greater shock to us than the events in Syria, hence the thread mutated to that debate. Threads mutate all the time.

Regardless, what can I say.. I don't think Kurds do get equal treatment in Syria, and they have no political recourse to voice their complaints, they are left with little but violence as an avenue to try and effect change.

Just for curiosity sake, how many Syrian Ministers are Kurdish?

Ok, back to the initial subject...

Yoepus,
There are prolly no kurdish ministers in Syria, but hey:
1-The French accepted them in Syria when they occupied Syria
2-If we didnt really want them 2 have rights, we wouldnt have let the 1.8 milion kurds get syrian nationalities (+syrian rights). The 200,000 remaining are not "official syrians" not because the gov't didnt let them, but because they refuse to. why? because they dont think Syria is their country, yet, they're in the country, reproduce and live their life. I have talked to some Kurds since i've been in the areas and A LOT of the answers i get when i ask them why they dont get syrian nationalities are: Because we dont want to serve in the Syrian army and because it isnt our country. Well, doh! leave then!
3-The syrians gave them weapons - the weapons they are now using were provided by the Syrian army.
4-Basically, it's the changes in Iraq that triggered all those movements (this is my opinion and the opinion of a lot of other ppl)

also, geographically speaking, most of "Kurdistan" is in Turkey and Irak.

If you read some news, you'll notice that the Kurds aer brutally repressed in Turkey where they form more or less 25% of the population (anywhere between 15 to 20 millions). THATS where is Kurdistan...

but knowing how proud the Turks are, they would fight it till the last one standing before giving any rights to the Kurds. Also its really convinient that they are an US-Israeli prime ally, one of the reason why you barely hear about this Kurdish-Turkish problem.

So please, keep your palestinian-israeli comparaisons to yourself and put them where I think they belong.

Yoepus, some high ranking officials are Kurdish in Syria... don't know which one by heart.

About the Philistine thing... i think your post exlpained why the palestinians are more entitled to the land called Palestine than the jews to Israel...


The Palestinians (whatever their background) that were in Palestine in 1948 obviously survived all those wars and killings you are talking about, they are on these lands for centuries (be it they have philistine, arab, aramean, european etc... blood)

what has been unfair is the decendants of those defeated jews that have fled Palestine/Judea to save their own life from this or that historical conflict now land some thousand years later and claim these lands as always been theirs...

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK... thats just ridiculous and the source of the conflicts in the middle east.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek Yoepus, some high ranking officials are Kurdish in Syria... don't know which one by heart. About the Philistine thing... i think your post exlpained why the palestinians are more entitled to the land called Palestine than the jews to Israel... The Palestinians (whatever their background) that were in Palestine in 1948 obviously survived all those wars and killings you are talking about, they are on these lands for centuries (be it they have philistine, arab, aramean, european etc... blood) what has been unfair is the decendants of those defeated jews that have fled Palestine/Judea to save their own life from this or that historical conflict now land some thousand years later and claim these lands as always been theirs... GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK... thats just ridiculous and the source of the conflicts in the middle east.

nice post.

That is the problem I have with Israel, WHITE/CAUCASIAN people coming there and claiming that land as theirs.

Eastern European Jews converted to Judaism in 900AD....they hardly have a direct genetic lineage t biblical hebrews..who were by the way....an Indigenous middle eastern population.

even trying to explain a justification for that land by claiming the diasporic theory is just funny.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King nice post. That is the problem I have with Israel, WHITE/CAUCASIAN people coming there and claiming that land as theirs. Eastern European Jews converted to Judaism in 900AD....they hardly have a direct genetic lineage t biblical hebrews..who were by the way....an Indigenous middle eastern population. even trying to explain a justification for that land by claiming the diasporic theory is just funny.

This one post really pissed me off... thats just plain bullshit.

First of all, the Jewish population of Israel contains not just Jews from Eastern Europe but Jews from northern Africa as well as Jews from middle Asia, Jews that came from countries like Iraq, Iran, India and such. How do you explain the fact that they are Jews as well and share the same nationality, religion and even the same appearance as Jewish people form Eastern Europe?

And one more thing. This doesn�t have anything to do with religion, you must understand that most of the Jews living in Israel are really passive about the whole religion thing. The Jews don't just share the same religion but they also share the same nationality.
That maybe the reason for all the anti-Semitism the Jewish nation had to go through for generations, no matter where they lived or what they did to cover their identity they could never become apart of the nation they were living in, because they already had a nationality, the Jewish nationality.
When the Zionists decided to create a country for the Jewish people Israel wasn�t their only consideration, it had nothing to do with the religious connection to this land. They just wanted the Jewish nation to have their own land where they could be free of the anti-Semitism and the hatred, where they could become united.

And please, if you have no clue about what your saying don�t say it at all, or at least don�t act like you know what your talking about.

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And please, if you have no clue about what your saying don�t say it at all, or at least don�t act like you know what your talking about.

That's honest reporting, fox news and melech mikes job

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Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^ When the Zionists decided to create a country for the Jewish people Israel wasn�t their only consideration, it had nothing to do with the religious connection to this land. They just wanted the Jewish nation to have their own land where they could be free of the anti-Semitism and the hatred, where they could become united.

bro, you don't even make sense...

ZIONIST... those who preach for the return to ZION = ISRAEL which was on the same area as modern Palestine!

also, why not settle for the lands that are now UGANDA (very lightly inhabited lands at that time) or South America with plenty of virgin lands!?!?! first proposed by many countries.

NO, IT HAD TO BE PALESTINE/ISRAEL! Because it was said so in your sacred books! (Talmud and/or Torah) and pushed forward by the Zionists!

Don't give me that no-connected-to-religion crap...

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Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^ This one post really pissed me off... thats just plain bullshit. First of all, the Jewish population of Israel contains not just Jews from Eastern Europe but Jews from northern Africa as well as Jews from middle Asia, Jews that came from countries like Iraq, Iran, India and such. How do you explain the fact that they are Jews as well and share the same nationality, religion and even the same appearance as Jewish people form Eastern Europe?

All these people from OTHER nationalities coming in and claiming a second home becuase of their religion?

What the fuck is that??!!?!

I have no problem with people sharing that land.. but those zio's came in..MOSTLY Eastern european jews, and kicked the pals out.

Taking arms, they terrorized and ravaged villiages forcing those palestinians out of their homes.

Why do you think you as a people are so special that you deserve a second homeland soley for yourselves? Did your GOD claim this in the Torah??? Are you Gods chosen people... and that means you "rightfully" deserve it?

Would you like it if I came to your house and told you to get the fuck out becuase my great great great grandfather might have lived there... or that my religion says that i should have this land?

What about the Christians....why couldnt they share it with you???

The Nature of Israels formation is the most disgusting thing I have ever researched next to the atrocious halocaust and african slavery.

Shame on those who condone the terrorists who later became YOUR prime ministers! :cough:Menechim Begin:cough:

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