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Originally posted by robin then i guess i should stfu

You're just getting that clue NOW?

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Originally posted by we_R_DNA I am sure the RIAA will crack down, I have heard police in the UK can come search your house and if you do not have a track you played you get canned. Also if you ISP is giving out shit about you, I want to know what ISP this is. IT is invasion of privacy as well. Plus on some servers it is highly illegal for them to enter. Who ever this ISP is we should all unite behind and Do what they did back in the 1800's and Boycott Crappy ass SErvices. AFter all "We are paying for a service that should be dirt cheap" Where is the Tjis forums????

his isp emailed him, not the riaa, they just said the riaa contacted them, and his isp told him to take dc++ off. i think it was comcast

he is in michigan

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 What kinda music does your friend listen to, which hubs does he regular and who is his ISP?

oldos, electronica, but has a wide variety sharing i believe. is the riaa representing electronica artists, i dont think so right?

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Originally posted by Smeagol ^That's a bunch of good arguments to me... Got a warning half a year ago for a few episodes of Simpsons. But shouldn't the thread be closed anyway? After all: TA does not support file sharing?

why should it be closed, i hate when people bring that stupid shit up. besides, did i start this thread asking where i can download mp3s. no.

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Originally posted by robin then i guess i should stfu

this really really sucks ass.. i hope they dont take it off or sue anyone using DC++...

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Originally posted by jdat You can't have a disclaimer stating forbidden access against the RIAA. There is a standard disclaimer you find on various illegal internet spots that states you cannot access it if you are part of a Government agency under the commonly known name of the "internet act" officialy the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act" signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1998. Because the RIAA is not a government agency but a privately operated industry group they are immune from such laws that prohibit government agencies from entering illegal internet premises with intent to sue and pursue without a warrant issued at beginning of investigation.

I don't see how the same law can't apply to private entities. I mean this happens all the time in business - people are refused entrance all the time to certain premises, to put down a really easy example let's just say clubs refusing entrance to people who are too drunk. This happens between private citizens and is perfectly legal, because the club is private property and the owner (or his/her delegates, i.e. the bouncers) are allowed to refuse entrance to anyone they want.

Thus if something is private property - which includes an online server - is invaded by someone who has been strictly forbidden to log into it (just like private real-estate that was invaded by someone who was forbidden to enter it), it is considered trespassing and the act itself was illegal.

Having said that, it doesn't eliminate the RIAA's right to sue for what they found there - it just means they could be brought on criminal charges for trespassing. Great, let's see who has the balls to do it...

Edit: obviously it's not the "same" law that would be applying, but there is still a legal context for what I'm talking about.

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Originally posted by dj_Vendetta christ man, are you telling me that you don't listen to mp3's

well i do but at the same time i buy music. my collection consists of 10%mp3's and 90% original cd's. not everyone has to be like me, but all im saying is what if u were a superstar dj and the next thing u know is that no one is buying your music, how would you feel? im saying that i feel its not right to download music and save money, the artist/dj works his ass off so he/she should get credit. but once again, if its not ur thing, u dont have to go that way. peace

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Originally posted by dj_moonshine well i do but at the same time i buy music. my collection consists of 10%mp3's and 90% original cd's. not everyone has to be like me, but all im saying is what if u were a superstar dj and the next thing u know is that no one is buying your music, how would you feel? im saying that i feel its not right to download music and save money, the artist/dj works his ass off so he/she should get credit. but once again, if its not ur thing, u dont have to go that way. peace

Hell I'd be honored that people were enjoying my music in the first place.

When it comes to EDM tracks, they usually come in two flavors: vinyl, which includes about 98% of all released EDM, and CD singles, which probably accounts for about %2 of released EDM and usually consists of big, hit tracks - in which case you (the artist behind a big, hit track) shouldn't be worrying about raking in the cash for it anyways. As for vinyl, I'm guessing 9 out of 10 vinyl purchases are by DJ's, and the remaining 1 to real enthusiasts (if not less). Power to them, but for the average listener buying vinyl all the time is an incredible hassle. Besides having to hunt all across creation for many tracks, vinyl wears down, warps, melts, scratches, collects dust, and also wears needles, which must be replaced. It's also a hassle to dig through record after record looking for a tune you want to hear, take it out, put it on the platter, start it, listen, put it back, repeat. Its much much easier to just double click and listen, and too much a hassle for most people to try and rip a whole record collection to mp3.

The thing is, there's some sort of misconception in this day and age that musicians are entitled to grossly large sums of capital for their work. Not just musicians, but most great artists over the years weren't basking in luxury like today's worthless pop icons. Mozart and Beethoven were plagued with financial problems all their life, as was Van Gogh, Rembrandt, and Michaelangelo - and thats just who I found from quick googling. Now I'm all for supporting the artist, and I buy vinyl anyways since I DJ. But I don't have the money, time or means to purchase the music I like legally even half the time - there's simply no good alternative. And all these "starving artists" need to wake up and smell reality, that because there's no good alternative, most of the people who download their music wouldn't have bought it anyways. Unlike they'd have you beleive, this doesn't cost them 1 red cent. It costs them revenue they may have otherwise received, but when an artist starts demanding that all these dirty music theives cough up revenue they might have gotten.... well, theres a word for that - Greed. It's different from going into a CD shop and jacking an album, because that album is a physical thing, it cost the label money to be burned, printed, and shipped, and it cost the CD shop money to purchase them from the label. When it's stolen, that one individual copy is gone forever and the CD shop has lost money. But, when you download an mp3 you aren't depriving anyone of physical property, you're just copying a pattern of 1's and 0's from another computer to yours.

Hell, I'd imagine that more CD's were bought BECAUSE of mp3 sharing than would have been without it. Up until about 4 years ago, I had purchased a grand total of about 3 CD's in my lifetime, all of which were just for one track (and 2 of which I sold because I'd grown tired of that one track - except the Butthole Surfers album, which rules ). Then one day I borrwed a burned CD with photoshop on it from a friend of mine... while poking around on it I found a little folder labled "tranceport" (yeah I know it was a pretty bleh CD, but some of the tracks on there are still really great, and at the time it completely blew my fucking mind). Thanks to that blaitant act of piracy I've now bought many times as many CD's in the last year or so than I've bought in my whole life prior. And now I have turntables and will be spending lots of money on records.

Oh well, like I said before, until I can download a full quality ogg or mp3, no DRM attached, with the ability to re-download what I've already paid for (in case of HD crash or something), for $0.99-ish a track, then I'll continue to download mp3s.

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Originally posted by we_R_DNA I have heard police in the UK can come search your house and if you do not have a track you played you get canned.

Hard to believe this1. Here, one must be accused for a crime that would result in, at least, a two year term in prison before police can search your house.

"We have got information you've got illegal mp3 files on your computer, thus we can enter your house" - not this way?

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