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Originally posted by Boomer187 or large bodies of mass create a pulling force towards its center. this woudl allow for this reversing.

There has been conjecture that there is a massive black hole at the center of the universe, so in essence the entire universe is in a way similar to our solar system as a whole.

Just picture one circle at the center which is the pull of the black hole on all the surrounding objects, and each massive surrounding object having a circle around them which exerts pull on all objects within this circle, ad infinitum. That's how I picture it.

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Originally posted by Omegasox The moon produces a tidal force on the earth, which causes parts of the ocean to bulge. This bulge then pulls the moon forward, pulling it ahead as the earth's gravity pulls the moon toward the earth keeping it from floating away into space.

April fools? I sure as hell hope so . If not then other planets have plenty of moons as well.

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There has been conjecture that there is a massive black hole at the center of the universe, so in essence the entire universe is in a way similar to our solar system as a whole. Just picture one circle at the center which is the pull of the black hole on all the surrounding objects, and each massive surrounding object having a circle around them which exerts pull on all objects within this circle, ad infinitum. That's how I picture it.

Assuming the train of logic that the universe is one giant swimming pool this logic does not hold true. If it were the case, than objects that were closer to the "center" of the solar system would have more "gravity" and attractiveness than objects farther away from the center. This is not the case ... all evidence leads us to believe that every source of gravity is the SOLE source of gravity unless there is a direct, influencing body.

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Originally posted by occrider If not then other planets have plenty of moons as well.

Eh?

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Originally posted by occrider Assuming the train of logic that the universe is one giant swimming pool this logic does not hold true. If it were the case, than objects that were closer to the "center" of the solar system would have more "gravity" and attractiveness than objects farther away from the center. This is not the case ... all evidence leads us to believe that every source of gravity is the SOLE source of gravity unless there is a direct, influencing body.

Why would objects closer to the center have more gravity? Assuming each object has its own influence of gravity on surrounding objects, and there isn't just one source of gravity.

And what if gravity is a force not in the third dimension? Then spatial differences are mute.

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Originally posted by occrider Well I haven't been keeping up with the matter as I well should, but the last few books and articles I have read have all led me to believe that space is finite. http://www.space.com/scienceastrono...cer_031008.html http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?ar...4A8809EC588EEDF Personally, I'm inclined to agree.

your information is a tad old...

the bagle and socer ball ideas have been proved incorrect.

guys, you're arguing about an obviously flawed theory that doesn't even make sense...

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Originally posted by whiskers guys, you're arguing about an obviously flawed theory that doesn't even make sense...

which theory does not make sence?

the bagel, socer ball and infinite universes are all proven possable. it has just been proven that our universe is not the socer ball or bagel type.

the ridiculous argument about pressure and reversal of pressure

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Originally posted by whiskers the ridiculous argument about pressure and reversal of pressure

yes its a tad "out there" so to speak.

i would just like to say that pressure is the term usually used for the force exerted by the atmosphere on the surface or within the earth, not between celestial objects.

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Originally posted by whiskers dude, who's coaching world juniors this year? i bet it's tiina, no wonder will and darden are on it, with bob wang as an alternate, even though they're all good.

i don't think tiina is actually
and i thought bob wang was on the actual team, or is he really an alternate?
heh and the other amherst guy who made the team sam roberts shoud be healthy by then but last week during practice he had a sick ass big right kinda into dardin's knee (which also is now fucked up)
anyways, took sam a lil while to get up and tiina left with him and had will lead the rest of practice
he doesn't remember anything from that day at all and was a bit out of it the day after, but he's doin fine now
the joke's never gonna die though, people keep introducing themselves to sam even tho they've known each other for ages
and did jacob goldstein make the team?
i know misha(sp?) from NMH did, but i wasn't sure bout Jacob
yay hijack

Bleh..earth is flat,gravity is bs,we are not really here,Its all a big misunderstanding...

Ahh, where to start??

Firstly, the universe is, as far as we can tell, finite. However, it is expanding at an ever-increasing rate outwards in all directions. The three-dimensional shape of the universe is thought to be a bubble, but to explain gravity, it has to be thought of as a flat plane.

Imagine holding a sheet out flat, with one person holding each corner, so that it was stretched out flat as tight as it would go. If someone then dropped a large ball onto the sheet, it would cause a slight dip, meaning that any other smaller balls that were on the sheet nearby would roll towards the larger one. This is what happens with bodies of mass in the universe, and is the reason why everything that has a mass is pulled towards everything else.

The larger the ball you put on the sheet, the bigger the dip it would cause, and so the balls that lay further and further away would also be pulled towards the large ball. Again, the same principle applies to the universe. The larger the body, the more gravity it has, and so the further afield it's effects can be felt.

As for the shape of the universe, well I say it's a bubble, but there are many universes that exist parallel to our own that can be any shape. There are, in fact, 10 dimensions in our universe. 3 of space, 1 of time, and 6 others that either no longer exist or are so small that they have no significant effect on the others. Our whole universe is situated in the 11th dimension, alongside countless other universes. Nobody knows how this dimension came into being, but if anyone is familiar with string theory, they may know that it is the collision of these universes within the 11th dimension that causes a 'big bang', and creates another universe.

All very complicated stuff.

Proof

or STUF

all scientific explinations need backing, eg. mathmatical equations prooving the existance (or absence) of a theoritical expliniation.

(science major) neener neener. good try though

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Originally posted by enferno Proof or STUF all scientific explinations need backing, eg. mathmatical equations prooving the existance (or absence) of a theoritical expliniation. (science major) neener neener. good try though

eh, I highly doubt the scientific proof and formuli could fit on a post here.



I think I will save it for my 14 volume novel.

Ah yes, I can see it now.
Boomer & Enferno's Scientific bullshit
Volume 1

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Originally posted by Streakfury Ahh, where to start?? Firstly, the universe is, as far as we can tell, finite. However, it is expanding at an ever-increasing rate outwards in all directions. The three-dimensional shape of the universe is thought to be a bubble, but to explain gravity, it has to be thought of as a flat plane. Imagine holding a sheet out flat, with one person holding each corner, so that it was stretched out flat as tight as it would go. If someone then dropped a large ball onto the sheet, it would cause a slight dip, meaning that any other smaller balls that were on the sheet nearby would roll towards the larger one. This is what happens with bodies of mass in the universe, and is the reason why everything that has a mass is pulled towards everything else. The larger the ball you put on the sheet, the bigger the dip it would cause, and so the balls that lay further and further away would also be pulled towards the large ball. Again, the same principle applies to the universe. The larger the body, the more gravity it has, and so the further afield it's effects can be felt. As for the shape of the universe, well I say it's a bubble, but there are many universes that exist parallel to our own that can be any shape. There are, in fact, 10 dimensions in our universe. 3 of space, 1 of time, and 6 others that either no longer exist or are so small that they have no significant effect on the others. Our whole universe is situated in the 11th dimension, alongside countless other universes. Nobody knows how this dimension came into being, but if anyone is familiar with string theory, they may know that it is the collision of these universes within the 11th dimension that causes a 'big bang', and creates another universe. All very complicated stuff.

lol

einstien figured out what gravity was (objects following the easiest path through the curvature of space-time), and now physicists are attempting to perfect gravity and incorporate it with quantum mechanics. (namely, string/M-theory)

String theory has been proven, however, it has 5 possiable equations, some requireing 11 demensions? Woah, wait a second, then they is this sphere, which is our universe, and it is estimaded (using these euqations that came out of some physicists brown spot) that the big bang happened, when one of these 'spheres' collided with another. now they think that the big bang could have been the creationg of our universe, but not for the first time! and they estimate it could happen again! so all of a sudden, we could be crankin one out to a porn, then cease to exist. ??

crazy shit.

cool if you're high though

nova is a cool show :P

If the universe has boundary's as you say.. then matter cannot enter or leave the system.. hence.. pressure is a constant.. ie. If you throw a tennis ball into the universe.. it has to come from the universe and it could have never left the universe.

But you are onto something as quantum physics (someone had to say it) suggests there are different levels of a vacume. with different potential energy's. so a vacume is not a vacume.

Now I sound all smart and impressive eh?

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq lol

I wasn't joking...

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Originally posted by Streakfury Ahh, where to start?? Firstly, the universe is, as far as we can tell, finite. However, it is expanding at an ever-increasing rate outwards in all directions. The three-dimensional shape of the universe is thought to be a bubble, but to explain gravity, it has to be thought of as a flat plane.

the universe has 3 possable forms closed, flat and open. open and flat both force the universe to be infinite whereas closed forces it to be finite. recent research (like i said before) has disproved the football shaped (closed) universe false. this does not rule out the possability of a closed universe as the "football shaped" is just one type of closed. the way to find the shape of the universe is to use its density. the density of the universe has only been estimated so far due to the fact we can only estimate the visable universe's density. the currant estimation for the universe actualy sugests a flat universe.

yes the universe is expanding but it is yet unknown whether it will expand forever or if there will be a big crunch this is also due to not knowing the density.

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Originally posted by Streakfury As for the shape of the universe, well I say it's a bubble, but there are many universes that exist parallel to our own that can be any shape. There are, in fact, 10 dimensions in our universe. 3 of space, 1 of time, and 6 others that either no longer exist or are so small that they have no significant effect on the others. Our whole universe is situated in the 11th dimension, alongside countless other universes. Nobody knows how this dimension came into being, but if anyone is familiar with string theory, they may know that it is the collision of these universes within the 11th dimension that causes a 'big bang', and creates another universe.

like i said before there are three possable shapes and curantly it is thought to be flat (a round disc).

there are a few (mathimaticaly) proven versions of the string theory which all work. note they are only mathematicaly proven none have been proven for definite, string theory could yet be a load of noncence. anyway each of these theories have various numbers of extra dimensions that can be for various reasons. multiple dimensions do not equate to multiple universes and vice versa. there is no proof for or against the existance of more than one universe.

yes i have heard of the THEORY of the colision of universes and again it is not proven for or against.

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Originally posted by dukes the universe has 3 possable forms closed, flat and open. open and flat both force the universe to be infinite whereas closed forces it to be finite. recent research (like i said before) has disproved the football shaped (closed) universe false. this does not rule out the possability of a closed universe as the "football shaped" is just one type of closed. the way to find the shape of the universe is to use its density. the density of the universe has only been estimated so far due to the fact we can only estimate the visable universe's density. the currant estimation for the universe actualy sugests a flat universe. yes the universe is expanding but it is yet unknown whether it will expand forever or if there will be a big crunch this is also due to not knowing the density.

Yeah I've learnt about that. There's some equation (I forget what it's called) where if the value is equal to 1, the universe is in perfect balance. If it's <1, the universe will collapse, and if it's >1, it will continue to expand forever. Or something like that...

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Originally posted by dukes multiple dimensions do not equate to multiple universes and vice versa. there is no proof for or against the existance of more than one universe.

I never said it did. Of course nobody has proven these things, and they probably never will. These are just assumptions, and calclations based on assumptions.

I don't believe in those who say that the universe is infinite.
It can't just go on forever without any limits, it doesn't make sense at all. Infinite is just a way of expressing something, you can use it in mathematical expressions even though it isn't really a number, but imo nothing is infinite.

I'm not sure if I believe in boundaries either, doesn't make sense at all. It has to be some kind of circulation where you i.e. throw a ball in any direction and it will one day pass by it's first position.
I had a weird conversation once about energy and stuff. We both said that everything is energy and about half an hour later we both said that dimensions has masses too. I have no idea how we managed to make such a conclusion but there's one thing I want to have said with this:
Thinking in these levels can make you go crazy sometimes. So most times it isn't worth even thinking about it, just accept it!

streakfury,

just curious, but in respect to your statement about other universes, is it still claimed that there are an infinite amount of universes that exist? Whats so special about the 11th dimension..and what does it need in order to have another big bang? I have read a couple books on the string theory but I guess I conveniently overlooked any emphasis on this dimension. I do remember reading something about these Calabi-yau(sorry if i spelled it wrong) shapes that describe all dimensions of the universe.

Also, anyone know of any good space forums? THNX

i'm pretty sure infinite universes do exist with this 'cell' structure of the universe. every time one collides with another, the big band reoccures.

the 11th dimension is what was required to make one of the string theory equations work in harmony with everything else we know about science. but the real missing part is the graviton paritcle found during particle accelerator collisions. if found, it will answer a shit load, and change a lot, of what we know and want to know about science. this is what einstein tried to solve on his death bed.

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